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by TheToy
Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:11 am
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: Cat's removed - before & after
Replies: 12
Views: 7617

Re: Cat's removed - before & after

Took my Toy in to KSD for exhaust removal and got a De Graaf fitted.
Had her put on dino and was quite surprised!

With chip and exhuast, she puts out a whopping 468nm Torque!
Quite pleased with this.
by TheToy
Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:12 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Facebook involvement at club/forum events
Replies: 27
Views: 3206

Re: Facebook involvement at club/forum events

As always, just my 2c input. I have been more active on the FB page than here. But rightfully said, if you snooze you loose! I am a Hilux club member aswell, so I think I have my bread buttered on both sides. But here is my personal oppion. The people who do not want to be part of the Hilux group an...
by TheToy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:17 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: T4A vs Garmap SA TOPO vs Montana 650
Replies: 1
Views: 701

Re: T4A vs Garmap SA TOPO vs Montana 650

Kan regtig nie sien hoe T4A kan pla as die gedisable is nie? Erens is daar iets fout met die Montana dan?
Vat die in na outdoorwarehouse toe, die ouens daar is nogals baie behulpsaam.

Ek het ook n Montana maar nuwe T4A op SD kaar gekoop. En als werk soos dit moet.
by TheToy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:32 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Help with Alarm
Replies: 4
Views: 5666

Re: Help with Alarm

The first thing is to unlock the system - page 19 para 1, 2 & 3 Remove key from ignition and see that alarm is off 1)Within 5 seconds, insert and remove key twice from ignition; 2) wait for 5 seconds; 3)within next 5 seconds, push and hold the lock and unlock keys simultaneously for 3 seconds or...
by TheToy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:31 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Help with Alarm
Replies: 4
Views: 5666

Re: Help with Alarm

1. Start with key out of ignition, drivers door is open all others closed and drivers door is unlocked. 2. Insert key into the ignition (Do NOT Turn) and Pull key out. 3. Perform these steps within 40 seconds. A. Using the power lock switch on the drivers door, perform 5 lock/unlock cycles starting ...
by TheToy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:28 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Help with Alarm
Replies: 4
Views: 5666

Re: Help with Alarm

Okay, 8 mense al gelees? En niemand wat raad het nie? Ek het die volgende verstellings, maar nie een werk nie? A - As follows to activate the change menu option: 1 - Get into the car and close the doors. (this just stops the hooter from going of if you make a mistake) 2 - insert the key into the ign...
by TheToy
Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:01 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Help with Alarm
Replies: 4
Views: 5666

Help with Alarm

Hi guys, I have tried to search for the topic related to getting ones alarm to make a noise when you activate or switch it off? I want to know that I have activated my alarm when I walk away. With these skelms these days blocking ones signal, would like to hear it going on. Sure it doesnt matter but...
by TheToy
Mon May 25, 2015 3:12 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Rock Sliders for my Hilux
Replies: 12
Views: 2787

Re: Rock Sliders for my Hilux

Have a look at Wildog, they are in PTA.
But there product looks good and there service is excellent.
by TheToy
Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:48 pm
Forum: Western Cape
Topic: Atlantis dunes Hilux day GTG
Replies: 66
Views: 12981

Re: Atlantis dunes Hilux day GTG

Sal ook graag saamry!! Hoe laat? waar ontmoet ons? moet ons individuele permitte kry? Sorry, eks 'n onnie, moet die detail weet!? Ons moet maar sien hoeveel belangstelling daar is? Sover is die lys nou nie dat dit lyk of die Kaapse manne in so iets belang stel nie. So uit die duim gesuig meskien so...
by TheToy
Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:22 pm
Forum: Western Cape
Topic: Atlantis dunes Hilux day GTG
Replies: 66
Views: 12981

Re: Atlantis dunes Hilux day GTG

Kom manne! Ek sien die GP ouens het nou ook besluit vir n dag uit.
Kom ons gaan geniet n daggie uit en hou n lekker tydjie daar. Net n lekker dag uit met die Toys en hou so braaitjie en geselsie!
by TheToy
Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:59 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: 3.0 D4D Clutch Problem
Replies: 113
Views: 105375

Re: 3.0 D4D Clutch Problem

Johan I have been thinking this through from every angle and I must say that I think those guys fed you some wind. Whilst I accept that the brake fluid will expand to some extent when warming up I cannot for the life of me think that it can expand enough to partly depress the clutch release lever c...
by TheToy
Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:16 am
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

Re: My Toy Conversion

Die agter sitplek verandering is soos volg.
Jy bou die sitple uit. dan saag jy so 25mm van die hoek hakke af.
Dit laat jou die agter se sitplek uithak wanneer jy die onderste sitplek hoog optel en dus die agter stuk uithak.

Kan dus baie goed agter bere as jy wil.
by TheToy
Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:26 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

Re: My Toy Conversion

Dankie manne vir die goeie komentaar! Moet net se! Was nou in Augustes maand n bietjie deur Botswana en Namibie gewees. Van die 8000km was 5000 alles off road gewees. Die lekkerste was van Brandberg met die Ugab kus toe. Moes so paar plekke ompad vat, weens die swamps. Maar jong! Die Hilux kan darem...
by TheToy
Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:07 pm
Forum: Recovery Equipment
Topic: Air / Exhaust Jack
Replies: 29
Views: 9885

Re: Air / Exhaust Jack

Net vir info.
Nie nodig om die duur Air lift jacks te koop nie. Ek het die een gekoop wat net op die uitlaat gasse werk. Het n trok tyre valve gaan koop en n ou wat met PVC werk gevra om dit vir my in te gom.
Het die unit nou al n paar keer getoets en werk goed. Gelukkig nog nie self nodig gehad nie.
by TheToy
Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:37 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

Re: My Toy Conversion

Warrior wrote:Virseker n wa om baie trots op te wees Dion !!! :clap: :thumbup: :wave:
Baie dankie!! Ja wat, moet se....dis nie sommer n aller dagse Lux nie.

EK hou van my goed soooo, bietjie anders te lyk.
by TheToy
Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:37 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

Re: My Toy Conversion

Very Neat & Awsome Well Kitted Vehicle. Did you mention the Rock Sliders or did I miss that? What milage do you have on the clock & what type of consumption do you get with the bigger tyres? Thanx! As for rocksliders, I am trying to get a set made up that will still allow me to keep the ste...
by TheToy
Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:44 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

Re: My Toy Conversion

Dankie!
by TheToy
Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:34 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: My Toy Conversion
Replies: 18
Views: 3810

My Toy Conversion

(Nie seker of in die regte topic page nie??) Maar hier is hy! Het hom ook op die FB Page gesit. So, after some time now. My rig is finally finished. She is ready for my 3 week government paid holiday (Tax tour) What have I done to my rig? Most of it all....by myself and my young helper my son. Here ...
by TheToy
Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:28 am
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Khaudum park
Replies: 4
Views: 1405

Re: Khaudum park

Khaudum, is officially closed long time ago, but they did not tell the officials staying there. :D: They will still allow the camp or drive through and you pay next to nothing and get a receipt. So yes you can go. Baie dankie vir die reply!! Sal dan van die geleenthied gebruik maak en dit gaan geni...
by TheToy
Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:25 pm
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Khaudum park
Replies: 4
Views: 1405

Khaudum park

Dag se ouens. Ek het so bietjie op die net gekrap en op in Safari info blad af gekom. Daar gesien in 2013 is die park toe gemaak?? Weet iemand dalk of dit oop is? Waar kan ek uitvind via mail? Eks tans buite SA, en gaan nou einde July Bots en Nam toe vir 3 weke trip. Wou graag van die noorde afry de...
by TheToy
Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:21 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: New Body under The Toy
Replies: 18
Views: 3176

Re: New Body under The Toy

Haboob wrote:Congrats Dion, That looks streamlined and mean. Hope you have many happy kms with your new ride.
Thanks Bud! Will do. See a nice trip coming soon! Nam and Bots 3 weeks!
by TheToy
Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:58 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: New Body under The Toy
Replies: 18
Views: 3176

Re: New Body under The Toy

Dont see much of those bumper around.
Its a Rhino4x4 unit. a Bit pricy, but then they come in 3 pieces. So if you have a ding, just replace that unit.
by TheToy
Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:37 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: New Body under The Toy
Replies: 18
Views: 3176

Re: New Body under The Toy

Thanks!
by TheToy
Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:20 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: New Body under The Toy
Replies: 18
Views: 3176

New Body under The Toy

So its been a while since I have been here. But due to a lot of reasons. But I should be back again. So last year ended with a new set of wheels. As I got a very good price on the “old” Toy. Traded her in with only 97k on the clock. So I managed to get a “new” Toy. With the cash made on the old girl...
by TheToy
Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:51 am
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.
Replies: 11
Views: 2965

Re: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.

Willem01 wrote:Iets anders lyk mooi en dit staan nie so ver voor uit nie. :thumbup:
:laugh2: :cooldude:
by TheToy
Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:32 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.
Replies: 11
Views: 2965

Re: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.

Thanks Thunder. Still need to do the rear end and sliders. Then she is complete.
by TheToy
Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:59 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.
Replies: 11
Views: 2965

Re: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.

Hier is darem nou n mooier prentjie :yahoo:

Soek nou net daai 17” rims en lekker rubbers onder die bakwerk :boss:
by TheToy
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:28 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Vigo bande opgradering
Replies: 8
Views: 1949

Re: Vigo bande opgradering

Dankie ouens.

Ek het die standaard 15” rims op op die oomlik met BF Muds.

Ek sien op die Forum is daar n advertensie van PRO COMP TIRES-WHEELS. Maar n mens kan die nie ingaan nie.
Verder is dit maar n gesukkel.

Weet iemand mensiek waar die Arctic Truck ouens hulle rims kry?
by TheToy
Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:11 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Vigo bande opgradering
Replies: 8
Views: 1949

Vigo bande opgradering

Dag se manne! Ek is nou al moeg gesoek op die interweb. Wil graag 17” rims op my Vigo sit. Met n lekker stelletjie rubbers. Ek het n 2009 model met n ouman opgradeering onderstel. As enige van julle slim manne wat dit al gedoen het, my in die regte rigting kan stuur? Web bladsey of iets. Wil na tipi...
by TheToy
Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:28 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Botswana
Replies: 7
Views: 1762

Re: Botswana

Ons was nou Jun/Jul daar in Botswana. Voordie tyd het ons baie gelees en gehoor van al die reels. Meskien baie oordryf. Was vanaf die suide en het anti kloks gerys na die noorde en weer suidwaarts na Maun toe waarna die Suidelike Kahalahari gedoen. Daar is baie veearts hekke asook, ons het baie abno...
by TheToy
Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:20 am
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.
Replies: 11
Views: 2965

Re: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.

baie nice hy lyk sommer goed is daar n kontak nommer of iets Dion Al Ryno se besonderhede is op hul Facebook blad. Africanoffroad4x4centre. Of sy email is africanoffroad4x4@gmail.com. Sy cel is0826972818 Hoop jy kom reg. EK is nog tans in die buiteland en sal eers Donderdag terug in SA wees. Gaan s...
by TheToy
Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:34 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: The Toy met n nuwe gesig.
Replies: 11
Views: 2965

The Toy met n nuwe gesig.

Was mos die Jun/Jul vakansie daar bo in die noorde van Botswana gewees saam met BergHaan. Lekker trippie gewees. Lekker gekuier en baie rond gerits. Top op die punt te kom, was in Kasanse gewees om so bietjie uit tevind op n lekker sunset cruise op die chobe. Toe ons by die luukse hotel uitkom en bi...
by TheToy
Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:13 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Jun/Jul Bots trip.
Replies: 5
Views: 1025

Re: Jun/Jul Bots trip.

Ooooooooooms, daai sal nou eers moet wag!
Ek is weer terug in donker Africa en met DIE internet is ek ma net dankbaar dat ek op kom, waar nog probeer om fotos op Fotobucket te kan laai en dan na die forum toe.
Sal vir BergHaan vra, meskien het hy meer geluk aan sy kant van die donker kant.
by TheToy
Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:12 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Jun/Jul Bots trip.
Replies: 5
Views: 1025

Jun/Jul Bots trip.

Well its been about a month since I have been on the forum, due to having a GREAT 3 week trip with the family through Botswana. I must say that the forum helped quite a lot with regards to planing. The only negative that I can say, is dont believe everything you read. I met the family at Gaborone (a...
by TheToy
Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:00 pm
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Botswana in June
Replies: 5
Views: 1163

Re: Botswana in June

Thanx for the info, will try and add to some of the lovely pics, BergHaan and family and family and I will be touring. As BergHaan said, wish the time could tick passed a bit quicker! We both will be heading south from Nigeria to SA and then over to Bots, where we meet the family. Will try and keep ...
by TheToy
Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:43 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: Roof console
Replies: 31
Views: 5264

Re: Roof console

Hier is hermie se crazy cruiser link van sy roof console link. http://www.wegry.co.za/rygoed/articles/hermie-se-crazy-cruiser" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Sorry Hermie iemand gaan jou idea gebruik wat baie oulik is, ek inkluis Daar is gans teveel blink goed in daai dak! ...
by TheToy
Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:39 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: Roof console
Replies: 31
Views: 5264

Re: Roof console

OOOOMS wrote:
TheToy wrote:Hello daar,

Ek het nou hierdie posts 2 keer deur gelees, Maar meskien moet ek brille kry :o:

Waar kan n mens die console vandaan koop?

Dankie
Dion
Ek weet LA verkoop dit :thumbup:
Seker daar bo in GP? Slaapstad dink ek nie sal he nie! :naah:
by TheToy
Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:15 pm
Forum: Late 2005 - 2016 Hilux (Gen 6 aka Vigo-shape)
Topic: Roof console
Replies: 31
Views: 5264

Re: Roof console

Hello daar,

Ek het nou hierdie posts 2 keer deur gelees, Maar meskien moet ek brille kry :o:

Waar kan n mens die console vandaan koop?

Dankie
Dion
by TheToy
Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:19 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Late night/early morning crew
Replies: 2077
Views: 346362

Re: Late night/early morning crew

Ya, this time in 2 weeks, flying out here to JHB then Gaborone. Meeting the family there and the 3 weeks of Botswana Adventure with BergHaan(Brandt) here on the forum. Also works with me here.
So ja, cant wait!!! Time must start moving on!
by TheToy
Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:04 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Late night/early morning crew
Replies: 2077
Views: 346362

Re: Late night/early morning crew

As been a new fish in da pond. Still have to find out how to post at the bottom of my signature.

As for what I do, well......easy way, fix swamp buggies here :lmao: Helicopter Engineer for Bristow Helicopters.

I hear you guys back home, there is a massive cape storm heading your way?
by TheToy
Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:42 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Late night/early morning crew
Replies: 2077
Views: 346362

Re: Late night/early morning crew

Hi there, First time here. Just a bit of history :beach: I work in Nigeria, here for 6 weeks and then 6 at home. So know in front of the MAC and checking the forums out. Mostly Marks ride report from SA through Bots and Caprivi and back. In the background listening to my local (Cape Town) radio stat...
by TheToy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:22 pm
Forum: General Mods
Topic: Vehicle Theft
Replies: 152
Views: 25697

Re: Vehicle Theft

I have a 2009 D4D dubbel cab.
I was told by Never Sure (Outsurance) to get the Toy to Toyota for the ECU bracket as well as the steering wheel lock plate. I only had to pay half and Never Sure paid the other half. And now talking about 3 years ago.
by TheToy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:41 pm
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Meat in Botswana?
Replies: 17
Views: 2412

Re: Meat in Botswana?

How do the authorities control the meat that is transported around in the various countries, that place a ban on bringing meat & vegetables into their countries? Would you have to drive around with proof of where the meat & veg was purchased or are the controls just done at the Border posts...
by TheToy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:20 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: "Barking Mad" - Please Read & then "Click"!
Replies: 309
Views: 165558

Re: "Barking Mad" - Please Read & then "Click"!

Dogs still stay a mans best friend :thumbup:
Het geclick en op my FB blad gesit
by TheToy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:40 pm
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Meat in Botswana?
Replies: 17
Views: 2412

Re: Meat in Botswana?

Mark,

Hoop jy kan ons onfo gee op jou mail!
Ek het sowat al klaar so R1000 se vleis gekoop en gevacuum om Bots toe te gaan.

Ek was onder die indruk dit was ok vir Suid na Noord maar nie terug nie :crazy:

Hou ons op hoogte asb. Nog 2 weke dan kry ek die familie in Gabs :dance1:
by TheToy
Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:06 pm
Forum: Community Responsibility
Topic: HELP - Vervoer na BOTSWANA dringend - Sorted!!!
Replies: 3
Views: 4068

Re: HELP - Vervoer na BOTSWANA dringend

Daar gaan twee voertuie deur na Bots toe die 21 as jy nog nie reg gekom het nie.

Stuur ma vir my n pm en ek sal graag help.
by TheToy
Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:33 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Welcome to all the new members
Replies: 457
Views: 290816

Re: Welcome to all the new members

OOOOMS wrote:Mooi man! Ek sien julle twee leer sommer vinnag :thumbup:
Dankie Oooms! Gelukkig het Brandt die dag afgehad en baie wysheid oor die forum vir my gemail, so nou weet ek hoe.

Sien gaan nog lekker raak hier!
by TheToy
Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:10 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Welcome to all the new members
Replies: 457
Views: 290816

Re: Welcome to all the new members

Vir iemand wat nie daarvan hou om op n forum te wees nie - BergHaan :shock2: Wen hy my op die Forum, Ok, so ietsie van my. Woon in die Kaap, werk in die buiteland saam met BergHaan. Hy trek draad en ek swaai spanners. Ons werk maar in donker Afrika en maak “Swamp-buggies” reg. Doen so 6 weke roetasi...
by TheToy
Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:43 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: newbie, Die BergHaan van HARTIES
Replies: 15
Views: 2424

Re: newbie, Die BergHaan van HARTIES

Baie welkom hier by ons :thumbup: Hoop jy geniet dit :wink2: Waar gaan julle in Bots? @ The Toy, hou nogals van jou avatar :thumbup: Dankie Mark :thumbup: Ons gaan nou Junie skoolvakansie die families in Gabs kry, Ek en BergHaan (Brandt) werk saam in die buiteland. So ons doen ons tax toer saam met...
by TheToy
Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:03 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: newbie, Die BergHaan van HARTIES
Replies: 15
Views: 2424

Re: newbie, Die BergHaan van HARTIES

Hello Daar :clap:

Vat darem lank om hier aan te sluit :thumbup: Dinge gebeur maar seker STADIG daar bo by Herties :boss:
by TheToy
Thu May 24, 2012 8:42 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Nuwe Lid
Replies: 12
Views: 1655

Re: Nuwe Lid

Welkom Dion Sluit nou sommer aan by die club ook man! Waar werk jou op rotasie en wat doen jy, eks in die selfde bootjie maar die rondte doen ek 10 weeke, jy ken seker die gevoel. Geniet dit hier Cheers Dankie Johannes, Ek werk in Donker Afrika (Nigerie) ek spot en se ek maak “swamp buggies” reg. E...
by TheToy
Thu May 24, 2012 8:38 pm
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Nuwe Lid
Replies: 12
Views: 1655

Re: Nuwe Lid

Dankie ouens vir n warm welkom hier op die forum.

Ons 4x4 manne is maar seker soos al die ander daar buite, wat van Avontuur en expedisies hou.
Sal nog hier reg kom met al die knoppies en bylas bladsye.

Groete,
Dion
by TheToy
Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 am
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Nuwe Lid
Replies: 12
Views: 1655

Re: Nuwe Lid

Dankie Maater.

Ja, is redelik trots op daai plaat :beach:
by TheToy
Thu May 24, 2012 8:59 am
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Nuwe Lid
Replies: 12
Views: 1655

Nuwe Lid

Hello julle Toy fans :boss: Hoop ek gaan net soveel nuus, inligting en nuwe makkers ontmoet soos my ander tyd verdryf (Avontuur moterfiets ry) Ek is tans werksaam in die buiteland op n 6weke roetasie, dus kuier ek in die aande op die netwerk en as ek by die huis is vir die ander 6weke, dan is dit he...

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