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Many people ask me for LED light bars. When I was in CHina last week I had a look at some light bars.

I found there is one hell of a difference in quality and price.
Lightbars are expensive, so the questions is:
If you have to spend the money would you rather pay plenty for good quality or less for lower quality

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To compare prices on 30" light bars
1. The best quality
I can sell at about R6500 each. It puts out 14,000 lumens, is waterproof and has been shock proof tested. The light is pure white and the whole light area is constant if you shine it on a white wall. I would love to import these but I wonder how many people will pay the price

2. The medium. I can sell at R4500.00 each. Also water proof, puts out 10,800 lumens but the centre of the light is a little bit yelowish

3. The low. I can sell at R3200.00, is also waterpoof, pushes out 5900 lumens but the centre of the light beam has plenty of yellow.

So you can see , LED lights bars are not all the same, from a cheapy to the good one can be double the price.

This is just the comparison between the 30", the come from 6" up to 50". My good quality one which I like most only go to 32"
Another comparison, the 44" medium quality gives 14,400 lumens compared to good quality 32" 14,000 lumens and the 44" medium is R200 cheaper than the good one's 32"

What is your opinion, should I get the cheaper ones with little bit less quality or go for the best quality?
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Jis daai is 'n moeilikke ene... 6 of the one and half a dozen of the other
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Hmmm...5900 Lumen is baie :!:

Hoeveel lig is genoeg is die vraag.... :?:
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Mark you have a point there.
The 15.5" of the good one is 6480 lumens and I can do that one for about R3800.00
These are all thumb suck figures still have to see what freight and so are but it should not be more than that

And there beams are very well focussed
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pietpetoors wrote:Mark you have a point there.
The 15.5" of the good one is 6480 lumens and I can do that one for about R3800.00
These are all thumb suck figures still have to see what freight and so are but it should not be more than that

And there beams are very well focussed
Daai is dalk 'n beter opsie.

Ek persoonlik sou eerder as ek daai tipe geld spandeer vir my iets met 'n hoër gehalte koop
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meskien 'n dom vraag,maar waarvoor gaan 'n mens die "bars" gebruik. Is dit nou om soos 'n kamer te belig of buite beligting
Dis nogal 'n klompie geld vir 'n lig
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LED spots op jou lorrie, George soos die:
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OOOOMS wrote:LED spots op jou lorrie, George soos die:
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Is dit dan vir kamp of vir "driving lights" Ek voel blond vandag :alvarin:
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george wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:LED spots op jou lorrie, George soos die:
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Is dit dan vir kamp of vir "driving lights" Ek voel blond vandag :alvarin:
driving lights... gaan check bietjie aan die einde van die dokument vir voorbeelde

http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/download/SpotLightCompare.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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CasKru wrote:
george wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:LED spots op jou lorrie, George soos die:
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Is dit dan vir kamp of vir "driving lights" Ek voel blond vandag :alvarin:
driving lights... gaan check bietjie aan die einde van die dokument vir voorbeelde

http://www.hilux4x4.co.za/download/SpotLightCompare.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dankie Cas.Dit maak nou sin.Dan is die prys heel goed.
Jy sien daar groei my pens alweer :mocking:
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Ek kan hulle kry in spot beam, euro beam of flood beam, maar dink meeste mense wil dit vir spot lights gebruik en ek sal dus by die spot bly.
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Dis 'n moeilikke vraag Pieter want almal dink nie dieselfde nie. Daar is beslis baie ouens wat voorkeur sou gee aan prys aleenlik, maar soos Cassie gesê het, as jy nou daai tipe geld spandeer koet daar gehalte wees ... jy wil nie dat jy oor 'n paar jaar die ding moet vervang nie weens swak performance maar terselfde tyd is dit 'n klomp geld vir ligte. :think:
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pietpetoors wrote:Ek kan hulle kry in spot beam, euro beam of flood beam, maar dink meeste mense wil dit vir spot lights gebruik en ek sal dus by die spot bly.
Die ander vraag is wat is die demand vir sulke spots, of is dit 'n image ding?
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Die ander vraag is wat is die demand vir sulke spots, of is dit 'n image ding?
hhhhmmm, ja dis die groot vraag. Almal wil altyd hê tot jy die prys sien.

Ek stem nogal saam met Cassie, as ek so baie geld uithaal wil ek darem weet dit is goeie kwaliteit.
Die probleem baie mense kyk net na die prys en dan dink hulle alle LED bars is dieselfde. Hulle sien een ou s'n kos R8,000 en dink hy is mal en gaan dan eerder vir die een wat helfte van die prys is. Nadat ek die verskillende modelle in China getoets het, het ek gesien wat se drastiese verskil daar is tussen die goeie en swak kwaliteit en dit sien die man op straat ongelukkig nie.
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Wel as dit die man op die straat se siening is sal die goedkoper, weergawe seker beter verkoop :thumbup:

Pay for what you get, cjina.

Ek persoonlik sal nie R10k betaal vir 'n LED bar nie (al het ek die geld gehad) maar wie vergelyk spots oppi pad. 5900 Lumen is baie en as dit oor die image gaan is dit seker fine?
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Jy kan altyd vir hulle die opsie gee en daar stel dat you get what you pay for.
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Is dit wettig om dit by die bumper voor te sit?
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Ek gaan sover moontlik vir die beste kwaliteit, bv. Hilux vs the rest...

EK dink teen R6500 gaan jy min kompetisie he in elk geval.

In my besigheid weier ek om swak kwaliteit materiaal/produkte te gebruik. Ek kwoteer op gehalte materiaal en klaar. As jy dit goedkoper kan kry, is dit op jou risiko. As daar moeilikheid is, is dit alty die supplier/installer wat nie hul werk kan doen nie, nooit die eind gebruiker wat kortpad gevat het nie...
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Soos ek die wet verstaan as hy onder 55 watt is kan hy op jou brights gekoppel word.
As hy meer as dit is of hoër as jou hoofligte is moet hy op 'n apparte skakelaar wees.
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Dit laat my nou wonder, die 10.8" een is 48 watt en gee 4320 lumens
As jy spot lights het mag dit 55 watt per lig wees, maar as jy 'n LED bar ophet gaan jy mos net een bar opsit en nie twee nie
Nou wonder ek of jy 'n spietkop sal kan laat verstaan dat hy dan eintlik 110 watt mag wees, die 25" is 120 watt en gee 10800 lumens
Die 20" is 96 watt met 8640 lumens
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You can also build it into the bumper like this, ours will only have 2 rows of LED and later on we will have one which uses 10watt LEDs which will only have 1 row
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Dis vir my soos Hi-Fi koop (vir my huis)

Cheapy vir R1k
Med vir R3k
Good vir R6K
Top of the range vir R9K......net as voorbeeld.... :wink2:

Waarna sal ek kyk?
Hoe gereeld ek dit gebruik?
Wat is vir my goed genoeg?
Watter een gaan vir my werk?

PS.....Oh ja ons is nog in 'n resessie ook...onthou... :shock2:
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As ek nou so iets op my bakkie sit sal ek darem seker maak dat dit goed beskerm is. Stel jou voor jy ry in die bos en 'n tak of iets breek dit, of 'n klip wat opgegooi is op 'n gruispad. Ek sal sommer erg onsteld wees .... het 2 weke terug 'n spot so verloor, gelukkig was dit een van die wat agter is.
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Pieter

Selfs jou duur bar lights se pryse is goed, ek kyk al baie lank hierna en as jy gaan kyk na hoeveel kwaliteid Bar SpotLights
in Australia waar dit baie gewild is kos dit tot ver oor R20,000 en dan nog nie eens in gevoer nie.

Mark

Daar is so min mense in RSA wat weet van Bar Spotlights so ek twyfel dat dit regtig n image ding is.
Ek het vir lank gedink dat R6000 + vir n stel IPF's mal is, en dit is meer algemeen so is dit nie dalk n image ding in vergelyking
met n stel Boch ligte wat ook goed genoeg lig maak nie maar baie goedkoper is?, jy sal weet..............

Op die ou einde kry mens mense wat verkies om die duurste produk te koop want hulle glo dat dit die beste is en lank sal hou, dan kry mens mense wat volgens budget moet koop en maar tevrede moet wees met n goedkoper produk.

Dit is baie moeilik om almal tevrede te stel, daarom nog moeilikker vir die invoerder om te belsuit wat om te verskaf.
Mark navorsing is in die gaval baie moeilik omdat die n onbekende produk is in RSA onder 4x4 verbruikers, so ek sou se
werk vir die begin op aanvraag, laat n man dan n duur produk bestel as hy wil en hou minimaal van die goedkoper produkte aan.
Kry gereeld terugvoering oor die gehalte en diens lewering sodat die produkte meer bekend raak.


Onthou, vir sommige mense is genoeg nooit genoeg nie, so die vraag oor wanneer genoeg lig genoeg is kan baie moeilik beantwoord word.

Twee maande gelede het WegRy n goeie artikel oor Spotlights en die regulasies wat daarmee verband hou gepubliseer.
Baie goeie wenke daar in gewees.

Cassie se vorige draad oor "Spotlight Compare" het n goeie gevolgtrekking gemaak aan die einde van die toets, wat basies gese het dat n goeie kombinasie bestaan uit n goeie stel HID Driving Lights as spots en n Bar Light vir goeie "Spreading"
As mens kyk na daai uitslae sal jy sien dat die hoeveelheid lumens of lux oor n afstand van 100m n duidelikke indikasie is dat
BarLights eenvoudig net nie Spot Lights is nie maar wel baie goed is vir verspreide lig......

So wat wil JY he en wat is JY bereid om te betaal, dis die vraag.

Wat ek wil he is n 50" (1.3m) bar light wat ek aan die voorkant van my dak rak kan monteer.
Verkieslik (200W) 20 x 10W LED's (twee rye) of 10 x 20W LED's (een ry) teen +/- 18,000 - 25,000 Lumens

Wat dit moeilik maak is die drivers, High Power LED's benodig [switch mode constant current drivers] om optimaal te kan werk.
Mens kry drie tiepes drivers, "Buck" , "Boost" en "Buck Boost"

Buck = Step down switch mode DC/DC voltage converter.
Boost = Step up switch mode DC/DC voltage converter.
Buck Boost = Step down/Step up switch mode voltage converter.

As mens 10 x 10W LED's teen "Forward Voltage = 10V & Forward Constant Current = 1A" in paralel gebruik benodig jy n driver wat tussen 10V en 12V met konstante 10A kan lewer. Dit is n duur item (+/- USD175 each) as jy dit los koop. Een van die drivers sal sterk genoeg wees om 20 x 10W LED's te drive.
10W High Power LED = USD8,90 each.

Met ander woorde vir n 200W 20 x 10W LED bar sal jy $353 (R2700) betaal dan het jy nog nie eens die casing nie, die pryse kom direk van vervaardigers af.

As jy n 200W Bar self wil bou soos ek beplan om te doen gaan net die LED's en Drivers jou R3000 kos sonder invoer kostes, dan moet jy in gedagte hou dat "Heat Sinks baie belangruk is vir die LED's en Drivers. Jy sal ook n goeie housing moet bou wat water proof en shock proof is, wat kos die lig jou op die ou einde, R5000 of meer.
Koop een oorsee, R20,000 of meer.

Pieter jou pryse klink goed, selfs vir die goeie kwaliteid ligte.
Kan jou chinese verskaffers n 50" bar teen 200W 20,000 lumens cool white verskaf en wat sal die prys wees?

As enige iemand belangstel in die "circuit design" vir LED drivers om self ook te experimenteer kan julle my gerus kontak.

Pieter die drivers waarna ek hier vewys is nie n enkel 12V 10W led driver nie, hierdie drivers word gebruik in "Utra High Performance" projectors en is die beste produk om spot leds mee te drive. Drivers maak n baie groot verskul volgens al die navorsing wat ek reeds gedoen het.

Moet nie dat ek die saak omver kom gooi nie, eks maarnet een van daai mense wat eers iets self probeer bou voor ek dit ten duurste aankoop.
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CasKru wrote:Jis Johan... smaak vir my jy al sommer 'n paar katte uit die boom uit gekyk
Of hy gaan katte uit die boom uitkyk..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Die bar's wat algemeen hier te koop is, is kos so R11 - R12K, ek weet nou nie van die kwaliteid van hulle nie maar hulle bewees dis 'n Aus produk....seker nie....!

Die vraag vir my bly nog steeds...hoe gereeld gaan ek dit gebruik.... :?:
Hoe gereeld ry ek in die nag dat dit vereis dat ek my spots moet gebruik 10 000 lumen daarvan.....?

Met al die 'ander' voertuie op die pad, kan ek dit regtig gebruik?

Seker is daar 'n plek vir hulle, ouens op plaase, ouens wat kompetiesie ry in die nag, soos night trails en boere op plaase :thumbup:

Glo nie daar is 'n andwooed nie, ekle ou se keuse :thumbup:
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Wat die Chinese aanmekaar vir my sê as ek vra vir grootter en sterker is dat die hitte geleiding baie belangrik is.
Blykbaar as die LED se temeratuur oor 65 grade gaan dan verkort jy sy lewe

Ek het ook agtergekom daar is 'n groot verskil in die tiepe LED. CREE is die beste wat jy kry.
Dit is hoekom die goeie kwaliteit een soveel meer lig maak in vergelyking met die ander. Die CREE is 'n Amerikaanse LED en is baie duurder as al die ander.
So Johannes, dalk moet jy eerder kyk na beter kwaliteit chip pleks van meer chips.
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Dankie Pieter, ek sal die Cree LED's bietjie gaan opsoek......
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Pieter.Aangesien dit ry ligte is sal die wat belangstel seker vir die beter opsies gaan. Ek dink net dis dalk iets wat nie te vinnig gaan verkoop nie omdat dit redelik vreemd is vir ons.
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OK I got two bars to test and Johannes from the Sea and myself tested it last night.

Since the LED bars are expensive items I decided not to go for the cheapies and I got the good quality instead.
No use in trying to get cheap expensive light bars, if I have to spend the money on it I might as well get good quality.

The lights are awesome.
Unfortunately the photographs we took do not do it justice at all. I am waiting to see if Johannes' pictures are any better.

We could see a dune and guardhouse, which are non-reflective, 800 meters away from where we were standing with both the 20.2" and the 32" lights.
If the dune was not in the way I am sure we would have seen up to a kilometer with the 32"
You will be able to see reflective objects like road signs much further. To give you an idea our current 51 watt LED spots just made the 800 metres, but when I drive at night I can see the reflection of road signs up to 1.3 Km with them.

The 20.2 inch LED Bar is slightly brighter and much more focused than the 51 watt LED spots I am currently selling. The 32" LED bar is a beast
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Wild pappa wild :thumbup:
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O jitte, nou waar gaan ek geld kry om dai 32" mannetjie aan te skaf.
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Pieter, Last I checked with Traffic, The regulations specify, no more than 6 driving lights working together on your bright lights. Any more must be connected to a separate switch. If each LED is taken separately, then this will be a bone of contention according to the Act. With LED lights being new on the market, I do not know that the Act has been revised. I doubt it, so some smart Alec would be able to give you a hard time if he felt grieved that you have better lights than he has!!!
Traffic should be able to assist on how this law is policed. Most probably don't know that it exists.
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Yes is best to put it on separate switch and I guess it is something that have to be tested in court yet. You can either see each LED as a light, or the complete unit as a light.
Something I wonder about is the 20.2" lightbar which is 96 watt, do you think Mr Cop will understand that if you had two spot lights of 55 watt each it will total 110 watt but now instead of two separate units you have one of 96 watt ?
I doubt that they will understand.

What I can say is that I survived two road blocks with my 51 watt LED spots so far. At one the guy asked about it, asked if it is LEDs and how strong, so I told him yes, is LEDs and is 51 watt each and he was happy. Guess it depends on who the cop is.

But yes, safest would be a separate switch
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Haboob wrote:Pieter, Last I checked with Traffic, The regulations specify, no more than 6 driving lights working together on your bright lights. Any more must be connected to a separate switch. If each LED is taken separately, then this will be a bone of contention according to the Act. With LED lights being new on the market, I do not know that the Act has been revised. I doubt it, so some smart Alec would be able to give you a hard time if he felt grieved that you have better lights than he has!!!
Traffic should be able to assist on how this law is policed. Most probably don't know that it exists.
Well if you look at the new top of the range Prius. AFAIK it's headlight have a 3LED system excluding the fog lights and excluding the spot lights. Toyota got it through SABS etc so I believe the lights are seen as a unit and not separate entities
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Yes Pieter the regulation states 55W per spotlight, but I understand that the authorities already have a problem with policing it. A 55W HID spotlight will give much brighter light than a 55W halogen bulpie. To that end they are not too worried about the W output of lights any more. They are more concerned about the numer of lights.

But judging by the number of 4x4's I see on the roads with 8 spots on the roof, and 6 on the bumper it seems like they are not too concerned about that either. You could possibly get away with the LED light bar by telling them it is a camping light... And the LED light bar is seen as a unit, otherwise even Johannes's LED spots will be illegal.

Now another question. Is there an LED light bar available with "spot light" focused LED's say in the middle and "flood light" focused LED's on the sides? That gives you a best of both worlds type of light?
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Is there an LED light bar available with "spot light" focused LED's say in the middle and "flood light" focused LED's on the sides?
Yes, can get 32" with 7" of wide on each side and spot in the middle
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Sommer gou klaar plan gesien hoe mens hier LED bars maklik kan mount en interchangeable kan maak tussen twee voertuie... dink nou soos in my geval wat ek graag een wil koop om op die kar te sit en dan wanneer ek die bakkie wil gebruik om daarook op kan gebruik. (dit is nou as mens nie genoeg geld het vir twee nie).
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CasKru wrote:Sommer gou klaar plan gesien hoe mens hier LED bars maklik kan mount en interchangeable kan maak tussen twee voertuie... dink nou soos in my geval wat ek graag een wil koop om op die kar te sit en dan wanneer ek die bakkie wil gebruik om daarook op kan gebruik. (dit is nou as mens nie genoeg geld het vir twee nie).
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Net om 'n straaltjie by te piepie: Ek ry nogal baie in die donker en ek het my normale ligte plus twee Bosch Navigators spots op met 65W gloeilampe. Ons hat al gekyk na HID en sterker gloeilampe vir die spots[100w], maar vir my is daar een probleem met hierdie moerse wit ligkol hier voor jou: As jy moet dim vir 'n aankomende kar, dan is jy soort van blind van al die lig hier voor jou en sukkel jy om die ander voertuig te sien, dat nog te sê van diere, mense? Uiteindelik het ons die hoofligte na normaal gevat en die spots na 65w toe en die spots gestel om die een op die linkerkantste draad te lig en die reterkantste en net so regs van die regterkant van die pad. Diere se oë raak dadelik sigbaar en as jy die ligte dim, dan sien jy darem nog redelik normaal.

Ek kan my indink hoe donker die nag gaan wees as jy hierdie 'light bar' skielik hier voor jou op 'n nag moet afsit!
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Ockie met die LED bar wat vêr skein is dit minder van 'n probleem as met byvoorbeeld die LED spots.
Wat ek wl agterkom is omdat hulle so vêr lig moet jy langer voor die tyd al dim vir karre wat aankom.
Die LED bars goo nie 'n kol op die pad nie.

Die LED spots gooi wel 'n kol. Ek dink Johannes het die beste, hy het albei op.
Die LED bar is vir my lekker omdat hy verder as die spot lig, maar as ek stadig rys soos in die veld of tussen huise, of so, dan mis ek daai LED spot se wye lig baie.
As ek langpad ry is die LED bar weer vir my beter

Die spot maak wel kol op die pad maar hy het my nooit verblind of my oe moeg gemaak nie en ek was juis met hulle Namibië toe gewees.

As ek moet dink aan koedoes langs die pad, sal ek gaan vir die LED spots, daai wye lig mis niks nie. Waar jy jou gewone spots moet links en regs stel, stel jy die goed net reguit vorentoe en hy skein wyd na albei rigtings.
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