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Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:15 pm

Ek is Afrikaans, maar sal die post in Ingels doen sodat die ander dit ook kan volg.

On my 40th birthday I signed an OTP for a Suzuki Jimny. this was to be my first ever 4x4. Due to other factors is was 3 months before we finally took it off road, Two Oceans trail outside Somerset West. Renier took good care of us on the day and with the use of handheld radios guided us through some tricky bits.

A few weeks later we did Bojaanskop - ALONE. The Jimny kept on taking us into new territory.

In March we sold the Jimny and got Hilux - 2,5 D-4D SC SRX.

As the intention with this vehicle is to go "overlanding" we fitted a higher canopy to create sleeping space inside the canopy.

Now we all know that "a few things" needs to be done before we overlanding .....

So here is the story of our Hilux:

ELDERS - Totius het n gedig "Die Rus is Elders" Diep storie met die tema dat ons altyd dink die rus is "elders". Nou in die geval, wanneer ons in ELDERS klim is ons rustig en waar ons will wees .....

Matte - Vroulief se eerste woorde toe sy die Hilux sien is dat die fancy matte nie gemaak is vir modder nie. Dadelik n stel rubber matte aangeskaf, daai met die hoë sykante.

Seatcovers - Got a quote for Escape Gear, when I heard the price (MUCH higher than when I bought for the Jimny) I just walked away. Got a set of Stingrays, the type with all the pockets.

Power to the back - For now, I provided power to the fridge in the back from the main battery. This connected via a relay, thus cutting this feed when the ignition is off. While we camp at sites with power this will do, dual battery will come later ....



base - I used 22mm ply wood to make a base in the bakkie. This way I can attach future items to the base without drilling holes in the bakkie (watch this space over the next couple of months...)

Curtains - Since we sleep inside the bakkie curtains was needed.

Bumpers - On our first trail the standard plastic bumper got its first "mark". Of to Burnco for front and rear bumpers. For the front I wanted an extra "towbar receptacle/recovery point". For the rear I wanted a custom unit that incorporates a bumper-towbar-recovery point and high lift jack points.


Clearly this is a project in the making. As it unfolds I will keep on updating this thread.

PLEASE, I am open for advice/experience from those that have been there and who are willing to share.
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:30 pm

Sukkel nog om die foto's in die regte plek tussen die teks te plaas ....

So hier is nog n paar foto's wat eintlik in die eerste post hoort
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:36 pm

Here are two pics from our first camp in Elders, at Wilderness SANS park
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:23 pm

Looking good, Chris! Please keep the pictures and mods coming!


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Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:37 pm

Eric I LOVE this Hilux !!

Yesterday we did the Walker bay Nature conservation trail between Stanford and Gansbaai. At the gate they only allow 4x4's in, not even 4x2's. After a while started wondering if this was just a conservation thing, as the trail could be done without spinning the fornt tires of an AVIS City .... untill we turned of to Sopiesklip. Going in was "interesting", but I could see that coming out was going to be more so .... the cross over holes where others have failed bears testimony. Took the tire pressures down to 1,1R and 1,3F. Low range and just idles her out of there in second gear. Not once did she loose traction, despite all the cross axles. Did not even use the diff lock.

Two more weeks before the builder finishes with my garage, then a few more weeks to sort it out. DAN kan ek begin om Elders reg te maak vir kamp. :)

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The first car I ever bought was an old Opel Car-a-Van, and I similarly had it equipped for camping and off-road use. Most guys my age then were dropping suspensions while I tried to increase the height of my van by fitting slightly bigger tyres than the norm. I had a foam mattress cut for the rear as well, cost me a whole R10 for this from an upholsterer somewhere in Auckland Park. Many station wagons those days also had curtains fitted and mine was no exception. Spent many a happy night camping at the back of the van those days, Drakensberg, South Coast, Vaal Dam. Great fun. Of course, a cool box had to substitute for a fridge and water carriers were the norm as well. Two camping chairs, a folding metal table and my trusty Cadac gas stove & light were the total inventory.

The only 4x4 vehicle at the time was a Land Rover, way beyond my means! I bought one much later, but my old Opel took me to many places.

While it was fashionable to fit curtains to a station wagon, I never really did the "Orange on top of the Aerial" thing that was also the rave at the time! ;)

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Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:10 am

Geez Eric. Did you buy the car second hand because you were not even born then.... (wink wink nudge nudge)

Chris, daai bakkie van jou lyk goed en hy kan! :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:18 am

Geez Eric. Did you buy the car second hand because you were not even born then.... (wink wink nudge nudge)
Oi! Secondhand indeed it was... or maybe even 3rd or 4th hand! ;)


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Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:08 pm

Ek het so paar goedjies bestel by Uys. :thumbup:

Kyk nou so ekstra spesiale custom bash plate. :clap:
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Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:50 pm

Daardie plaat is baie spesiaal. Ek hou van die verandering van jou Hilux Chris. Beslis die regte keuse vir jou gewees. :mrgreen:
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:14 am

Another small chapter for ELDERS

Ironman coils and shocks in the front. Which meant the head light shad to be lowered.

Some more stuff to be done this weekend ....
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:37 am

Chris, net iets wat Iron Man vir my uitgewys het is dat op jou voorste 'shock' is daar 'n klein 'cut-out' op die onderste lip. Die moet vorentoe wys sodat hy nie aan die steering arm raak nie.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:26 am

Dankie, sal kyk.

Die instaleerder het my GOED laat verstaan dat die voertuig oor 500km weer by hom moet wees. Dan meet hulle weer als en maak seker alles is reg en vas.

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Chris, dit lyk goed. Baie geluk. :mrgreen:
Elders het 'n mooi skoon onderstel.
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:06 pm

Oooms ek het gekyk, die gleuf is aan die voor kant.

Bash plate is opgesit. :thumbup:
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:15 pm

Chris, Elders begin al hoe meer ernstige vorm aanneem.
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:54 am

moet nou eers n paar ander dinge doen, yard is nog nie eens skoon gemaak na die bouery nie. n Paar besigheids dinge kort ook aandag, so Elders moet nou eers so klein bietjie wag.... :(

Maar die planne vorder. :)

Volgende is om uit te vind watter grootte diesel en water tenks ek nodig het. Dan word die res om dit gebou .... SO LEKKER om binne in n ruim garage te kan werk aan Elders. :) :)

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:34 am

Chris- hoe pas dien plaat met die lip wat vooraan is. Jammer ek het nie geweet jy het die bumper se plaat daar nie, dan het ek daai lip vir jou afgesny.
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:47 pm

Ek het eers gemeet - 1 of 2 mm na n kant toe. Toe trek ek hom net vas. Was reg om te "space" met n waster aan elke kant indien nodig .... :)


PS - watter N.m beveel jy aan vir daai boute?

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:33 pm

Chris.

Torque hulle 25Nm - gebaseer op 'n skoon droe skroef draad. Verminder met 10% as die skroefdraad ge-olie is (aanbeveel)

Maak net seker almal is gr 8.8's!
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Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:16 pm

Time has come to kit out Elders for some remote trips.

While getting more and more spares to kit out the back I started with the electrics in the front (dual battery electrics to be done after the layout in the back has been finalized).

The work in the front included:

- Wiring the spots to the high beams, via a relay and fuses

- Wiring mini air horns, again via a relay and fuse

- Wiring the 29 mhz radio, also via a relay and fuse to only get power when the igintion is on. automatically cutting the power when removing the key.

- A Hella power point in the engine bay


Now just to figure out the placement of the 29mhz radio. The idea was to mount it behind the centre console. Testing it I saw this interferes with opening the centre console lid ....
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Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:13 pm

First SMALL step towrds kitting out the "living quaters".

Mounting points for the water tanks. Now to varnish the base before it gets placed inside Elders
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Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:19 pm

Chris, dis 'n baie praktiese idee met daai hout bord! Ekke like :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:20 pm

So pas die tweede laag vernis opgesit.

Ek wil die hele wa uitkit en hoop om so min as moontlik gate te boor in Elders. Die houtbord stel my instaat om dinge vas te maak soos ek wil.

Nou moet ek hier afsit en gaan staal brackets maak.....

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Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:45 pm

Finally the varnish is dry enough to carry on with the job.

Made the side rails, and painted it.

So tonight I was ready to finally start the instalation. But first the bak was dust proofed.

Made some more items, but need to make some noise (grind) to carry on with the next part. So closed shop for the night.

Once these brackets are in, the drawer system is next in line .....
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:01 pm

Netjies :goodjob: Wat kom bo op daai rails, of waarvoor is dit?

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Chris daai Side rails is baie nice. Ek hou van jou idee!! :thumbup:
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OOOOMS wrote:Netjies :goodjob: Wat kom bo op daai rails, of waarvoor is dit?

In die eerste fotos is die matras op die "grond". Nou lig ek die bed met 350 mm. Die water tenks, jerry kanne, slider stelsel, 2de battery en paar los goed kom als onder die bed. EN n 2de spaarwiel teen die kant, heel voor.

Dan nog n spesiale braket vir die yskas agter by die deur,regs. En aan die linker kant agter is daar planne vir die kompressor en ander recovery items .....

Onthou die enkel kajuit se bak is 2,3m lank, en die bed is maar net 1,8m lank, so nog spasie agter om te gebruik.


Hoop om n volledige wooneenheid te hê vir lang afstand trips.


Lyk my ek gaan sports hê om die Hi-lift in te pas .... my oorspronklike plan vir dit lyk nie of dit gaan werk nie .......



Gaan vanaand begin timmer aan die drawer stelsel. Sal die lang naweek moet WERK, daar is nog n klomp werk en einde Augustus word die wa gebruik .... :thumbup:

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Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:22 am

Sjoe Chris, Elders begin nou omtrent eers snezzie raak. Baie goed.
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:21 pm

Ek het so week of twee terug die Dragon ingebou in Elders. Gister vir die eerste keer die geleentheid gehad om dit uit te toets. LEKKER :thumbup:

Hier is die storie van Elders se 29mhz radio:

Like so many others I hate the concept of drilling holes in my vehicle. Thus I over-thought the project. Finally I managed an installation whereby I drilled only ONE 5mm hole into the console inside my Hilux.

A 2mm Stainless Steel bracket was made up to fit the antenna. This bolted onto the mounting points for the canopy. {NOTE - Make sure you have enough distance between the antenna and the vehicle to turn the nut. My 5mm gap is not enough, and was very difficult to work with.}

The cable was routed and then brought into the cab via an existing grommet.

The radio mounting bracket was bolted to the console, using one of the console bolt holes and drilling one 5mm hole.

Power is supplied via a relay, activated with the ignition - thus the radio cant drain the battery if the vehicle is switched off.

Yesterday I used this for the first time on a trail. WHAT A PLEASURE to be part of the banter as the group progressed !!

Also was very handy when one of the vehicles over heated and fell behind. The group knew what was happening and could deal with the situation without any chaos.
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:55 pm

Uiteindelik kon ek darem n paar goedjies in Elders installeer, na weke van voorbereiding.

120 liter water tank
40 liter water tank
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Spasie vir die 2de spaarwiel (soek nog vir n 16'' SRX rim)
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En dan die "groot" item. Uiteindelik die stukke aanmekaar gesit vir die 4 krat drawer stelsel.

Bo die lot word nog n basis geplaas met n bed bo-op (die matras moet nog op mate gesny word)

En die spesiale bracket vir die yskas (die bracket moet nog bietjie geskuif word, maar eers lekker slaap en dan more mooi kyk waar ek verkeerd gemeet het)

Die Pota pottie kom onder die yskas

Nou om te begin met al die afrondings take, en die bedrading van die tweede battery en items agter in die bakkie.

Ten minste kan ek darem nou iets SIEN. :)
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:29 pm

One step closer for Elders :thumbup:

Second battery was just wired. Warn relay, fuese at either end of the positive wire, metal glands where the wires pass through the body .... all the good tips that have been so graciously shared here have been used. :thumbup:

Now to wire the distribution box and lighting ...

helps if you can borrow a PROPPER crimper from your neighbour ... :)
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will take a better picture in the daylight, but here is the proof .....
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:10 pm

Maggies Elders, jou snorkel lyk sommer smart.
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:59 pm

Ironman voor

Ironman agter

en nou Ironman snorkel. :)

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Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:58 pm

Baie netjies Chris, nou moet jy beplan om die lang pad te vat :thumbup:

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Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:50 am

Lourensford trail volgende naweek, dan Bontebokpark vir die lang naweek. :)

HOOP vir n LEKKER trippie volgende April, hopelik Rigtersveld .....



PS - Ek het Saterdag gekyk na die lug-filter - VUIL !! Elders het maar net 6 500 km op die klok en ek sal n nuwe filter moet gaan koop. Sal interressant wees om te sien of die nuwe filter langer hou .....

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Hoekom het die posts nou opgehou? Waar's die res? :cry:
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Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:21 pm

Time to update the ELDERS thread. :)

We have done a few weekend trips to test out ELDERS.

LOVELY !!

The rig meets our requirements. Clearly there is always a trade off between more "living space" and keeping everything small and simple ... the way we have it now meets our requirements and allows us the freedom to lock the house at any moment and hit the long road (just dont have enough leave to maximise this ...)

Today added one MAJOR upgrade to ELDERS - see first pic. :)

Then there is also another item on the bench that will be fitted in the next couple of days ... :)
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Very-very nice indeed. Those T-Max winches as starting to build a solid reputation.
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Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:45 am

Jip, I got some very good feedback on the T-Max ... then a few "old timers" reminded me that I bought rubbish, as I did not buy Warn ....

Hey this is what I can afford now, and I got it at a VERY good price !


Should get the cradle for the winch next week, then I can still fit it before the holiday trip. :)


Did you see my new sticker ? (the MAJOR upgrade) Finally a paid up member of the Lux clan ... :)



PS - Elders is booked for another "extra" next week as well .... :)

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Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:24 pm

Daai Clan kenteken is PRAGTIG. :mrgreen:

Wat is die ekstra??

Dreadnought kry 'n ekstra more.
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Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:45 pm

rocksliders :)

wat sit jy op ?

dit is mos die tyd van die jaar om ons rygoed te bederf ....

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Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:40 pm

I got a mounting bracket for the winch from Burnco, to fit into the front and reach quick couplers.

Took a bit of re-working to mount the winch. Then I ran into some issues, as I want to store the winch in the back of the bakkie and the standard layout would not fit. After some head scratching I decided to mount the control box in a different position, this did mean I had to make some custom brackets first. Then the wiring and finally the testing....

Actually not, I still need to resolve the supply wiring. Due to the public holiday I cant get the spares for this today.

At least I was able to test the unit. :)
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That's the way to mount a winch Chris! When it is not in use it is protected from the elements, it doesn't get waterlogged during watercrossings and it can do it's job from either front or rear! Brilliant. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: That winch should last long enough for your grandkids to use.. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Geluk met die rocksliders, waar is die foto's? Ek het mos die staalbumper van Stofpad agter opgesit, en toe sommer die LED's en die inverter gedoen.

Chris, ek hou baie van jou setup. :mrgreen: Dit is baie prakties.

Behou jy die stroom?? Geen probleem met voltage drop nie? Is die winch nie vir jou bietjie gewigtig om rond te dra nie.
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Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:18 pm

Daai winch IS swaar !! seker so 45 tot 50 kg.

Daar is n kort kabel by die voorste battery, met die 175A Brad Harison koppel stuk. Dan is daar so 1m 25mm kabel van die agterste battery met n koppel stuk om die winch agter te gebruik.

sal nog foto's hiervan plaas.

Heel tevrede met die rock sliders, sal ook hiervan nog foto's plaas.


Thys ek moet bieg, die idee het ek by Hein van Burnco gekry.

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Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:10 pm

Heinrich hier is n foto van die sliders. Sal kyk of ek beter fotos kan neem in die bos ... :)
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Die wenas is uiteindelik vasgebout agter in Elders. :)

En die krag punte is ook klaar.
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Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:22 pm

Die "kompressor-in-n-sak" idee het sy plek, maar ek wil nooit als terug druk in die sak wanneer die kompressor warm geloop is nie ... dan lê als rond tot dit op my senuwees werk ....

Gevolglik het ek nou die kompressor ingebou en permanent bedraad, met n skakelaar wat op n meer praktiese plek is.

Ek het ook n kleiner sak gemaak vir die pyp.

Hopelik sal die stelsel mooi werk
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Baie netjies Chris :clap:
Jou wen as idee is baie goed.Ek het self daai plan met myne :thumbup:
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Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:40 pm

Ek het van die standaard groen plastiek houers geïnstaleer as water tenks.

Ek het al op twee geleenthede "snaakse ervarings" met die tenks gehad, maar het gesukkel om dit presies te "pin-point" .....

Laas week stop ek om n motoris te help met n voertuig wat oorverhit het .... trots in die wete dat ek bykans 40 liter wat het, so sy klein probleempie gaan ons sommer gou uitsorteer .....

Die eerste 2 liter houer is sommer GOU volgemaak. Die tweede een het ook heel goed gegaan ..... en teen die derde houer het die water stadig geloop .....

JA, die tenk sal mos n vakuum suig. MAAR ek het by Safari Centre in spesiale prop gekoop met iets wat soos n valve lyk .... dit is veronderstel om die vakuum te breek, deur lug in te laat .....

Nee wat, teen die vierde bottel water was die vakuum so erg dat die water HEEL TE MAAL opgehou loop het ! Selfs n paar uur later was daar nog nie water nie, toe ek by die huis weer die storie uitkyk. :(

Toe ek die prop oopmaak is daar nog omtrent 30 liter water in die tenk !! :shock2:


Toe ek by Camp World gesels met die manne wat die karavane diens en herstel toe lag die man net, JIP dit is n algemene probleem ! Sy raad is om n gat in die tenk te boor en n breather pyp op te koppel. Die idee van n breather pyp klink goed, MAAR as daai gat begin lek is dit n duur tenk in sy peetjie .....


En so soek ek toe bietjie rond .....

Cobra maak twee tipes "Vacuum brakers" vir warm water silinders, een vir hoë druk stelsels, en nog een vir laë druk stelsels. Ek het toe n kans gevat en die laë druk een gekoop - en dit in die prop geïnstalleer. Dink toe so, as dit nie werk nie kan ek altyd nog n prop koop (het eintlik n paar spaar).

So pas dit getoets - daai hele 30 liter tap uit sonder om asem te verloor. :)
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george wrote:Baie netjies Chris :clap:
Jou wen as idee is baie goed.Ek het self daai plan met myne :thumbup:
George ek weet nie hoe goed jy met jou hande is nie, maar as jy dit self wil doen is jy welkom om te kom kyk na my stelsel. Net dalk sien jy iets raak en kan jou een beter bou, of selfs net beter beplan vir jou voertuig se uitleg.

En as jy nie lus is vir die tipe werk nie, Hein by Burnco kan dit vir jou doen. Hy het my detyds die idee gegee, en nou die bracket gebou. Die res het ek self gedoen.


PS - daai brad harrison goed is DUUR !!!!!! :( Daar is blykbaar n plek naby Britos, agter Brights, in Stikland wat dit nou goedkoper verkoop. Teen R140/fitting plus die prys van die 25mm draad was dit nog R700 net om die vinnige koppelstukke te doen.

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Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:37 am

Jis Chris

Ek sien jy gebruik 25mm kabel en die 175 amp BH plug.Is dit voldoende vir jou :?:
Ek moet myne ook begin beplan
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George die wenas (winch) kom met 25mm kabel. So die mate behoort reg te wees.

Die 175A BH is as gevolg van raad wat ek ontvang het - absolute PYN om n 25 mm kabel in daai eenheid te pas.


"bietjie" besig by die werk (vat nou eers lunch, en is al van 6:30 af op kantoor), moet tog een of ander tyd die stelsel TOETS. Spesifiek ook agter toets ...

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Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:11 pm

ChrisF wrote:George die wenas (winch) kom met 25mm kabel. So die mate behoort reg te wees.

Die 175A BH is as gevolg van raad wat ek ontvang het - absolute PYN om n 25 mm kabel in daai eenheid te pas.


"bietjie" besig by die werk (vat nou eers lunch, en is al van 6:30 af op kantoor), moet tog een of ander tyd die stelsel TOETS. Spesifiek ook agter toets ...
Dankie Chris.Sal solank die goedjies bymekaar kry
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Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:49 pm

Kyk nou weer na my post .... die 25 mm kabel is DUN vir daai 175A BH eenhede ! Die kabel is LOS, en mens sukkel om dit reg gekrimp te kry.

Maar as jy jou een gaan inbou hoef jy nie hieroor te worry nie.

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Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:34 am

Hey Chris
Waar het jy daai Rocksliders gekry, dit lyk awesome

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Ek stel belang in so nice "bash plate", is daar dalk kontak besonderhede wat jy met ons wil deel asb.
Terloops, al die werk wat jy aan jou Hilux doen maak my sommer jaloers, baie nice!
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