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WernerJACOBS
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Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:55 pm

HI EVERYONE

JUST JOINED AND NEEDS WISE MANS ADVISE

I AM A NEWLY CONVETED HILUX NUT BUT CURRENTLY DRIVE A 2.7 VVTI DC BUT NEEDS A 4X4 AND IT HAS TO BE A HILUX

SO HERE IS MY PROBLEM, I AM LOOKING TO BUY A LEGEND 35 SHAPE HILUX EITHER THE 2.7 OR THE KZTE, WHAT I NEED TO KNOW FROM ALL THE WISE MEN OUT THERE IS WHAT THE CAPABILITIES OF THESE TWO VANS ARE

I DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF BUCKS TO BUY A NEW ONE AND WOULD RATHER SPEND THE MONEY ON SOME KIT LIKE SUSPENSION AND TIRES

THIS WILL ALSO BE MY EVERY DAY VAN AND IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GO ALMOST ANYWHERE

I WORK ON THE 4X4 INDUSTRY AND WILL BE USING IT ON ALMOST EVERY 4X4 DAY OR EVENT

PLEASE HELP

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Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:19 pm

Hi Werner and welcome :thumbup:

The capabilities of the two are the same. However for off-road the KZ would be a bit better as it would have more torque. The 2.7 would be a bit better in the dunes / loose sand.

Having said that I would choose the 2.7.......unbreakable ! The KZ if looked after like a baby will be fine but finding a KZ that has been nursed in Sandton's pediatric ward for 7 years, is difficult to find. Risky imho.
Just so a search on the IN and you will soon find!

I would not hesitate buying a 2.7 with 300 - 400 000km's on the clock :thumbup:

Oh yes.....USING CAPS IS LIKE SHOUTING........ :wink2:

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Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:24 pm

OOOOMS wrote:Hi Werner and welcome :thumbup:

The capabilities of the two are the same. However for off-road the KZ would be a bit better as it would have more torque. The 2.7 would be a bit better in the dunes / loose sand.

Having said that I would choose the 2.7.......unbreakable ! The KZ if looked after like a baby will be fine but finding a KZ that has been nursed in Sandton's pediatric ward for 7 years, is difficult to find. Risky imho.
Just so a search on the IN and you will soon find!

I would not hesitate buying a 2.7 with 300 - 400 000km's on the clock :thumbup:

Oh yes.....USING CAPS IS LIKE SHOUTING........ :wink2:
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Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:12 pm

There is a very nice legend 35 2.7 advertised on the site. I'm on the blackberry now so it is a pain looking for it but I am sure one of the others will qquickly post the link. The priced was reduced today
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Welcome Werner! :thumbup: Yes, agree .... would rather get a 2.7 than KZ because of the possible head issues if it's been abused. Good luck! ;-)
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pietpetoors wrote:There is a very nice legend 35 2.7 advertised on the site. I'm on the blackberry now so it is a pain looking for it but I am sure one of the others will qquickly post the link. The priced was reduced today
:mocking: :shock2:

Agree with the above, but if you were not using it daily I would have said the KZ, but then again as said not easy to find one that was looked after very well. Very lovely motors in my experience just need a good hand and sober driving habits :thumbup:
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Donkey wrote:
pietpetoors wrote:There is a very nice legend 35 2.7 advertised on the site. I'm on the blackberry now so it is a pain looking for it but I am sure one of the others will qquickly post the link. The priced was reduced today
:mocking: :shock2:

Agree with the above, but if you were not using it daily I would have said the KZ, but then again as said not easy to find one that was looked after very well. Very lovely motors in my experience just need a good hand and sober driving habits :thumbup:
So what Tumelo is saying, it's not for him and his sober habits...... :mocking: :mocking: :mocking:

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OOOOMS wrote:
Donkey wrote:
pietpetoors wrote:There is a very nice legend 35 2.7 advertised on the site. I'm on the blackberry now so it is a pain looking for it but I am sure one of the others will qquickly post the link. The priced was reduced today
:mocking: :shock2:

Agree with the above, but if you were not using it daily I would have said the KZ, but then again as said not easy to find one that was looked after very well. Very lovely motors in my experience just need a good hand and sober driving habits :thumbup:
So what Tumelo is saying, it's not for him and his sober habits...... :mocking: :mocking: :mocking:
just when I think you're still sleeping! :taunt:
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:15 am

Also not on blackberries :lmao:
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:19 pm

Hi Guys
Thanks for all the comments
Can anyone tell me how good these are offroad what can i and can i not do
and here is another question should i concider a Hilux 4.0 v6 as this is also someting that has been in the back of my mind

Sorry for all the questions but its my first 4x4 and i want to make the right choice, im not to concerned about feul cunsumption but it has to be very good offroad

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:16 pm

WernerJACOBS wrote:Hi Guys
Thanks for all the comments
Can anyone tell me how good these are offroad what can i and can i not do
and here is another question should i concider a Hilux 4.0 v6 as this is also someting that has been in the back of my mind

Sorry for all the questions but its my first 4x4 and i want to make the right choice, im not to concerned about feul cunsumption but it has to be very good offroad
The 2.7 is a good all rounder, not as much comfort and power as the 4.0 V6, but cheaper to maintain and excessories also a bit cheaper :thumbup:

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:37 pm

How good! Because if we're talking seriously rough terrain, then you ought to be looking for an SFA and not an IFS (yeah, yeah, .... I suppose I'm gonna get some flack for that statement, but a spade was still a spade last time I checked). If not an older SFA, then a newer model with a SAS (solid axle swap, for those that don't know) .... and then we're talking a whole new kettle of wax / ball of fish ( :D: ).

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:41 pm

Hmmm... now you got me thinking Andy... a 4L V6 Vigo with SAS conversion... now that would be something!

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If you want an IFS that has about 1% less capability than a SFA come talk to me................. :thumbup:
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:54 pm

Johannes van die See wrote:If you want an IFS that has about 1% less capability than a SFA come talk to me................. :thumbup:
.....and if you want a ... let me rather not go there.....it will make users unhappy..... :lol: :lol:

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:57 pm

..... and here comes the flack! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:27 pm

Yip, you knew it would come............... :laugh2:
Werner die 2.7i IFS is n yster!
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Johannes van die See wrote:Yip, you knew it would come............... :laugh2:
Werner die 2.7i IFS is n yster!
Yip agree :thumbup: Good all rounder :wink2:

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Johannes van die See wrote:Yip, you knew it would come............... :laugh2:
Werner die 2.7i IFS is n yster!
... sag yster! :twisted:

Maar die Vigo 4L V6 is... :angel:

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My dream build would have to be a Vigo 4L V6 Manual with front and rear Dana60's and 42" Baja Claws.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:05 am

WernerJACOBS wrote:Hi Guys
Thanks for all the comments
Can anyone tell me how good these are offroad what can i and can i not do
and here is another question should i concider a Hilux 4.0 v6 as this is also someting that has been in the back of my mind

Sorry for all the questions but its my first 4x4 and i want to make the right choice, im not to concerned about feul cunsumption but it has to be very good offroad
The 2.7 Hilux and most other 4x4 vehicles has 4x4 capabilities way beyond the capabilities of many drivers.

In other words, a good 4x4 driver in a Foton Tunland can do things that a bad driver in a Hilux 2.7/Vigo/KZ cannot do. See it as a tool in the hands of a craftsman, and in those terms, Hilux is the best tool... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Well Said Thys!!

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ThysdJ wrote: in a Hilux 2.7/Vigo/KZ cannot do.
I note you left the SFA out of that group Thys..................wise man!!!!!! :mocking: :mocking:
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zepplin wrote:
ThysdJ wrote: in a Hilux 2.7/Vigo/KZ cannot do.
I note you left the SFA out of that group Thys..................wise man!!!!!! :mocking: :mocking:
Steve, he was asking specifically about the IFS/Vigo, but the SFA is a totally other beast... especially when not equipped with a standard 4Y or 22R engine... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Now I must run and hide... or... no I wont.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I stand by that statement.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:11 pm

Wern can you see what you started? :mocking: :shock2:
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Johannes van die See wrote::twisted: :twisted: :twisted: IFS Dominate! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Sjoe... I'm a Vigo(IFS) owner, but even I know there's only one Ratel... that's a Toyota SFA... The 4x4 that started the Legend! :mrgreen:

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:49 pm

2.7!! :thumbup: Got one. I 4x4 with it where I drive with the SFA, AND mine is the earlier 1999 SRX, no difflock. :shh:

Mine however is for overlanding, packed ready to go. Just to think about it, I saw an Modified 3RZ engine the other day that gives out 900hp... wont say where. :silent:

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Dont worry. I have 2.2 4Y aswell,

the saying is, you can have all the power in the world and you do not know how to control it, then it is worthless. :thumbup:

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:55 pm

Guys,Guys Guys seems like i started something??????

Well ......Tomorrow im going to have a look at a very nice looking 4.0 V6 2006 that does no sound as if it has ever been offroad
Acording to the dealer it still has standard suspension and is very clean but the milage is a bit high at 168000km, so i will see what it looks like tomorrow seems like everyting on this van is still stock standard.
You see the thing is i Have a 2.7 vvti at the moment and im so use to the cumfort and space and i need space, im a lekker dik ou
And almost everyone i have spoken to speaks very highly of the 4.0 V6 4x4 and what you get for the money

Any thing I should look out for when i look at the van tomorrow, please send you comments as quick as possible
because if I see andIlike I buy

so enyone has some kind of list for things i should look out for please,please let me know

O and by the way thanks for all the advise, comments and oppinions so far i realy do appreciate it

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Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:40 pm

@ 168k km I don't think that motor has even warmed up.
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:48 pm

WernerJACOBS wrote:Guys,Guys Guys seems like i started something??????

Well ......Tomorrow im going to have a look at a very nice looking 4.0 V6 2006 that does no sound as if it has ever been offroad
Acording to the dealer it still has standard suspension and is very clean but the milage is a bit high at 168000km, so i will see what it looks like tomorrow seems like everyting on this van is still stock standard.
You see the thing is i Have a 2.7 vvti at the moment and im so use to the cumfort and space and i need space, im a lekker dik ou
And almost everyone i have spoken to speaks very highly of the 4.0 V6 4x4 and what you get for the money

Any thing I should look out for when i look at the van tomorrow, please send you comments as quick as possible
because if I see andIlike I buy

so enyone has some kind of list for things i should look out for please,please let me know

O and by the way thanks for all the advise, comments and oppinions so far i realy do appreciate it
I test driven a silver grey one @ Toyota centurion, exactly same kilos, it's lovely, pretty much standard & it sure looks like me & you have the same truck & want to upgrade to the same truck... :thumbup:
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WernerJACOBS
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Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:00 am

By what i have heard from the 40.v6 4x4 everyone raves about it. A,ate of mine has the 4.0 v6 Fortuner and will not swap it for anything. Ithink i have just made up my mind this is the one i need to go for just a pitty the one i looked at yesterday was sold on friday afternoon and this one was still very,very nice and clean

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Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:57 pm

Another good one will come along, patience. Wish you good luck :thumbup:
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WernerJACOBS
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Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:13 pm

Keep me posted if anyone hears or see one please

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Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:39 pm

I've got a 4L V6... no you can't have it... hehe!

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Sebata
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Real Name: Tau
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Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:45 pm

WernerJACOBS wrote:By what i have heard from the 40.v6 4x4 everyone raves about it. A,ate of mine has the 4.0 v6 Fortuner and will not swap it for anything. Ithink i have just made up my mind this is the one i need to go for just a pitty the one i looked at yesterday was sold on friday afternoon and this one was still very,very nice and clean
If you gonna go the finance route best you hunt with everything approved just in case it reveals itself again
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Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:54 pm

Well said Mr. B :thumbup: Hilux Sfa rocks all the way, even with the 4y motor!

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Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:31 am

avanza wrote:If SFA with a 4Y is so 'less than', then why is Allan Venter(Hoppy) kicking a$$ with his 4 cyclinder when up against V8's? :yahoo:
That engine has not been unmodified since 1999... He built a monster there.. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:09 am

I got the 2.7 4x4 2000...very solid truck. HAve done plenty dunes which it is awesome. Rocky mountain passes are also good but keep away from the pedal...control the right foot.
Also looking for a replacement wanting the manual V6 4L Hilux...want the power for overlanding. Good idea?

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Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:42 am

Big Z wrote:I got the 2.7 4x4 2000...very solid truck. HAve done plenty dunes which it is awesome. Rocky mountain passes are also good but keep away from the pedal...control the right foot.
Also looking for a replacement wanting the manual V6 4L Hilux...want the power for overlanding. Good idea?
You might not get much of a response as you post is like 3yrs later...?
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