Hilux not as reliable as one thinks

[FUDGES]

I hope I don’t get shot for this :alvarin: :alvarin: but you cant argue with the facts.

On Friday me and a few friends were having a few beers and like always end up talking about our cars. And started arguing who’s is the best??

When we came to reliability the Toyota’s lost quite badly:

Here’s our summary to the bakkies that was there.
All of them have a full service record and all the papers to back everything.

1. 2008 Triton 4x4 3.2DiD on 85000km only changed tensioner pulley (under warrantee)


2. 2007 Triton 4x4 2.5 diesel on 137 000km changed steering rack at 88 000 km (under warrantee)


3. 2006 Colt 2.8 diesel 127 000km changed turbo intake manifold gasket about 1500km ago (R800 )


4. My Hilux 3l d4d 4x4 on 136 000km I got it second hand but could see on all service history, rear prop shaft was replaced at 75 000km also left cv joint and something on the clutch. I changed injectors on 132 000km cost me almost R16 000 the airbag nut thingy (cant remember the name now) R2400 and there was something wrong with the abs that was R6000


5. My other friend also in a hilux 3l d4d 2x4 got 55 000km on changed injectors on warrantee and clutch cost him R11 000


6. The biggest surprise off all was the Nissan nevara 2.5 diesel 4x4 2006 with 165 000 and nothing was done only normal services.


So this make’s me think is Toyota still as reliable as always or is it slipping away from them.

Or did me and my other hilux tjommie just got hilux dud’s???
:evil: :evil: :evil:

[JohanM]

Aj,

I think most second Hand Hilux'es have been driven really hard, because they can handle it, even if it means that there is parts that have to be replaced.

Have a look and see how many D4D's drive @ 120 and carry loads or tow @ 100km/h??? That should explain why you're vehicle had component failure's....

[FUDGES]

Aj,

I think most second Hand Hilux'es have been driven really hard, because they can handle it, even if it means that there is parts that have to be replaced.

Have a look and see how many D4D's drive @ 120 and carry loads or tow @ 100km/h??? That should explain why you're vehicle had component failure's....

You see thats the problem my hilux never towed anything and never even had a canopy on. (I know the previous owner) and my other hilux friend also no canopy and no towing.

Where the nevara tow a boat and a jetski every 2nd weekend. With no problems.

And the friend in the 3.2 DiD "trek sy triton deur sy gat" and still with no problems.

Dont get me wrong I love my lux and Im happy with it (although it cost me alot of money)

But will I buy another one again???
Only time will tell.

[Agteros]

Don't think this can be considered a "representative sample". One will have to select a random sample of at least 30 vehicles (of each manufacturer and each model) to get a more accurate idea of the reliability of each.

[OOOOMS]

Don't think this can be considered a "representative sample". One will have to select a random sample of at least 30 vehicles (of each manufacturer and each model) to get a more accurate idea of the reliability of each.

Was thinking the same thing.....

[Pype]

AJ how many off-road did the other bakkies do. That nevara ever seen a obstacle?

My D4D has 70000km on now and this is what I have done in 70000km

*) 2008 Botswana Swamps in the wet did about 400km in water en mud.
*) Rebbel Series 2009 (This is a competition obstacle series 'nie boersports nie' and came second for the year)
*) 2009 Baboons pass
*) 2009 Botswana, Shakawe to Maun not the tar road.
*) 2009 Play about 2 to 3 times a mouth and played hard
*) 2010 I bought my SFA and my D4D is for everyday use and over landing now.

My D4D is still going like a dream but you play hard you pay hard the mantinance on the new Hilux ix much more that the SFA if you ride it hard that is a fact.

Here is what went on mine up to now

Model: 4x4 D4D Hilux D/C
Year: 2008

1) Mileage: 22000
Problem: Transfer case oil seal to front prop shaft
Cause of problem(if known): Sand
Specifics of repair work carried out: New seal and transfer case oil
Cost of repair: ?
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: Y

2) Mileage: 26000
Problem: Front diff left oil seal
Cause of problem(if known): Sand
Specifics of repair work carried out: New oil seal and oil
Cost of repair: R1700
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: Y

3) Mileage: 27000
Problem: Front diff right oil seal
Cause of problem(if known): Sand
Specifics of repair work carried out: New oil seal and oil
Cost of repair: R1700
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: Y

4) Mileage: 29000
Problem: Front diff left oil seal
Cause of problem(if known): Sand
Specifics of repair work carried out: New oil seal and oil
Cost of repair: R1700
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: N

5) Mileage: 42000
Problem: Right front CV boot rubber
Cause of problem(if known): Rock cut it
Specifics of repair work carried out: New CV boot rubber
Cost of repair: R2400
Who did the repair: Woodmead Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: N


6) Mileage: 49000
Problem: Front A arm bushes left and right
Cause of problem(if known): Wear and tear
Specifics of repair work carried out: New Bushes
Cost of repair: R3200
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: N

7) Mileage: 50800
Problem: Back diff stripped
Cause of problem(if known): Bearing failure
Specifics of repair work carried out: Replace of center portion of diff
Cost of repair: R24000
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: Y

8) Mileage: 54320
Problem: Front right CV joint broke
Cause of problem(if known): Pirate part fitted by Toyota caused damage
Specifics of repair work carried out: Replace CV joint and boot rubber
Cost of repair: R3219
Who did the repair: Monument Toyota
Vehicle under warranty, Y/N: Y
Was damage covered by warranty: Y

Will I buy a New Hilux again

Hell YES

[FUDGES]

Don't think this can be considered a "representative sample". One will have to select a random sample of at least 30 vehicles (of each manufacturer and each model) to get a more accurate idea of the reliability of each.

Agreed but in our little "steek proef" toyota failed 100% hence my question that maybe we bought dud's


Pype I also agree with you the nevera don't see alot af 4x4ing only some trails 4 or 5 times a year.

But the Triton 3.2 DiD that thing goes through water,sand,mud and heavy rocks about every weekend. And only the tensioner pulley was changed becuase of all the water.

[CasKru]

The only problem I can see here is the reliability on Diesel engines. I don't see any mention of a petrol derivative having issues

PS: The reason why the injectors are so expensive is they have a diamond coating which helps reduce the effects the sulphuric acid has on the injectors

[ToyX4]

Aj,

I think most second Hand Hilux'es have been driven really hard, because they can handle it, even if it means that there is parts that have to be replaced.

Have a look and see how many D4D's drive @ 120 and carry loads or tow @ 100km/h??? That should explain why you're vehicle had component failure's....

[kfxnando]

IMO!!
the new Hilux are not a tough as the old ones!!
and the same goes for all the others, the newer models are softer!!
does not mean that that the hiluxs arent good!!

then on the Nevara, knew of someone that had the gearbox replaced so many times under warantee that we lost track!!
yes he towed, however only a small traylor, under 750kg!!

yes have heard a lot of bad issues of the injectors on the hiluxes
the guys with the 4.0l Fords, heard many horror stories on that one as well, boxes, diff, motors and clutches!!
my old Courier mutch better

know someone with a Colt, the dealers replaced the vehicle, and the second one, also gave him problems later on!!

there is driving hard and there is driving destructivly hard!!
and
even hiluxs get made of a monday or friday!!



PS: maybe time to buy a Jeep!!

[legend35]

AJ,ek dink jy het n punt beet.Laat ons nog so bietjie debateer daaroor.
My bakkie het ek gekoop op 165000km.

165000km het ek propshaft laat doen(nie my skild nie)R1000
200000km het ek radiator vervang(my skild)R800
200000km het ek altenator herstel(my skild)R1200
210000km het ek voor diff vervang(nie my skild nie)R12000

Nie te sleg so ver nie

[yotaman]

Toyota sells!!

[TOKKELOS 1]

A.J
Jou kar was in 'n Ongeluk,

[FUDGES]

A.J
Jou kar was in 'n Ongeluk,

Nope ekt hom toe AA toe gevat geen probleme daar nie behalwe vir die paar stampe en duike wat ek hom gegee het en hoe kan n ongeluk injectors en n clutch be invloed.

Ouens ek hou van my lux BAIE! Ek gaan hom nog lank ry maar eks nie blind vir sy foute nie ek was maar net geskok en teleurgesteld dat n Mr bishi en Navara beter gevaar het in ons ou steek proefie

[Pype]

Ouens ek hou van my lux BAIE! Ek gaan hom nog lank ry maar eks nie blind vir sy foute nie ek was maar net geskok en teleurgesteld dat n Mr bishi en Navara beter gevaar het in ons ou steek proefie

AJ ek se julle wat kry Nissan of Mitsubishi om my te sponser met 'n dubbel cab 4x4 diesel vir 'n jaar so dat ek met hom kan doen wat ek met my lux gedoen het

Dan praat ons weer, as hy dit kan vat hal ek my hoed af maar ek glo nie

[CasKru]

AJ ek dink daai vriend van jou wat die Navara ry het 'n dud gekoop want hy is anders as al die ander Navaras

[Doctor V]

Vraag is seker of daardie ander bakkies 300000 km's gaan sien. Dan wil ek die lys parte sien. Snaaks ook hoe ouens met daardie bakkies die goed verkoop so gou soos die motorplan oor is. Vriend met Pathfinder het my part gewys wat hy moes vervang basies 2 maande uit motorplan. Wat toe ander part opneek. R22000 later het hy sy broek bedinges, en die volgende dag `n Fortuner 4X4 gaan koop. 4 Maande na dit is ons Henties toe en het 6000 km's gedoen waarvan 2000km in strandsand met `n offroad visvang treiler. Nou op omtrent 25000km's is hy steeds moerse impressed en kan nie glo hy het ooit iets anders as `n Toyota bestuur nie!

[FUDGES]

AJ ek dink daai vriend van jou wat die Navara ry het 'n dud gekoop want hy is anders as al die ander Navaras

Ek dink ook darem die lux sal 500 000km makliker maak as die ander, dit was net glad nie lekker om die betroubaarheid argument te verloor het nie. Veral nie by daai klomp nie want nou haal hulle my uit die heeltyd

Ps. ek dink maar net my ego het n knak gekry en nou haal ek dit op my ou bakkietjie uit

Maar die snaakste van alles is nie een van hulle wil ry waar ek ry nie Behalwe dalk die 3.2 triton.

[Pype]

Maar die snaakste van alles is nie een van hulle wil ry waar ek ry nie Behalwe dalk die 3.2 triton.

AJ dit is altyd so nooi daai manne saam dan reel ek vir ons 'n speel dag dan vat ek en jy ons bakkies en speel 'Follow the leader' met hulle

[FUDGES]

AJ dit is altyd so nooi daai manne saam dan reel ek vir ons 'n speel dag dan vat ek en jy ons bakkies en speel 'Follow the leader' met hulle

Ag hulle sal nie kom nie ek is al moeg boude gelek

[Louie]

Having my HiLux for 1 year and 50 000km's, with no complaints, this Toyota has got a long way to go to impress me after 400 000 trouble free km's in an 1997 ISUZU KB 280, only clutch replacement at 320 000 and a ball joint here and there on the front suspension.

[indabundu]

That should be phrased "new Hilux" not as reliable as one thinks. My 1989 2200 has 446000km without any major work. It has covered almost 10 000km in the last 6 months including a number of trips into the Okavango Delta etc. Turn the key, point the nose and amble along. Thirsty, slow and steady does it. Long live the SFA!!!!

[ChrisF]

AJ a friend of mine would like to disagree with you ....

He has had MANY Toyota bakkies and cruisers through the years. In 2009 H had to buy a new vehicle and Toyota had an insane waiting list ....

In frustration he went and bought a Triton. Granted he has had some good experiences in the Triton. At our year end break away he got to the foot of a hill and tha was his holiday done .... no more 4x4 driving for him .... seems the transfer case of the front diff "went" .... Mitsu has the parts on order ..... it might be here in February or March .....


Bad enough when something breaks, pathetic when it takes so long to get it fixed .... and as it is under warantee, it is "hurry up and wait" ....

[ChrisF]

AJ on second thought, these modern Toyotas are absolutely useless.

After doing a mere 2 500 km over the holidays in the worst possible roads the right rear tire had the audacity to pick up a slow puncture. Seems a nail punctured the tire, surely Toyota should be above such mundane breakdowns .....

[FUDGES]

I must say one thing that I just LOVE about my toy is you can get spares anywhere. A month ago a friend and I went through to deep water (about 20cm over the bonnet) I have a snorkel and he did'nt oja its a Triton.
I took him to town the next day and no mitshu dealer and no parts at autozone or midas.

In the end he had to fit an Isuzu airfilter.