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ORRA is having a (Radio day) gathering for members to program their VHF radio’s with the new frequency set, on the 10th December from 09:00 until 15:00 at the 4x4 ATV office at 446 Myburgh str, Capital Park. (behind LA Sport, Voortrekker Road, Gezina) The antenna’s will also be tuned to the correct length and checked.
Members must please bring their ORRA licenses with as no radio will be programmed without a valid radio license.
Programming fees are R50.00 per radio. For more information, contact Peter Claasen 082 558 6184
Please be advised that ORRA will be closed from 9 December until 9 January 2012.
Sien dis omdat Tafelberg nou 'n Natural Wonder is, is hulle jaloers! ;)
Joe sal iets moet reel hier in die Kaap! Groot seblief JOE!!
01 Hilux 3.0L KZ-TE 4x4 Raider d/c
GME Gx300 29meg & Vertex VX2200 VHF radio
Mikem load springs with greasable shackles and polybushes
Monroe Gas Magnum shocks
Kumho Road Venture AT - 30x9.5x15
National Luna Dual battery system
Frontrunner roofrack with s/steel table
Twin rear high lift jack points
Hilux4x4club sticker! ('nuf said!)
Echo3 4x4 offroad trailer with NL 74 Litre Fridge/Freezer
Dual loadbox slides Wishlist:
Alu canopy
Warn Winch
Unlimited Fuel & Travel Budget!
Of course, if more Capetonians bought more raffle tickets (Only TWO days left!!), the gods would smile and be very happy and thus be forced to take remedial action sooner rather than later...!
We are gearing up for Kirisun & Kenwood radios (PT3600, PT4200, PT8000, PT8100 and Kenwood TK7100). It would be helpful to know what other radios we should consider?
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
As long as it is a VHF model, that will be fine! I think the serial number starts with a "D" for VHF, can't remember. "C" depicts a midband radio, which will not be suitable.
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
Frik, ons het altyd vir Kanaal 4 gehou as die Hilux kanaal. met die nuwe 'channel plan', is dit nou kanaal 1. Ek belowe jou, ek het niks gedoen gehad met hierdie besluit nie ;)
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
Currently, you can still use the radios as depicted in the channel table above. Best is to leave your radio now on Channel 1, which can now be considered the 'calling channel' and is the same frequency and tone as the previous so-called 'Hilux' channel.
It is important to know that the only reason we called it the Hilux channel was because of the choice of tones that are used. There are some 38 tones that could have been used and thankfully ORRA selected the ones that we have always used. So yes, eventually we will work out some sort of plan to reprogram all the radios but at least they will still all work. Basically, ORRA has an additional frequency now whereas before they only had two frequencies, so you will still be able to use any of your existing channels with any of the radios programmed on the new plan.
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
Okay... so today I programmed my radios and Dawie's radio to the new ORRA layout. So I made this littel chart to compare the old with the new and on which channels you will have to be to communicate with guys who have not updated their radios yet... hope it helps a bit with the confusion.
So basically there are only 4 channels with ORRA1 now same as old ORRA2 plus tone. Channels 5-8 are programmed with the old band plan to communicate with those that have not upgraded yet.
Stef wrote:So basically there are only 4 channels with ORRA1 now same as old ORRA2 plus tone. Channels 5-8 are programmed with the old band plan to communicate with those that have not upgraded yet.
Strictly speaking it's 3 frequencies with different tones. Channels 7 & 8 are the original two channels without tone
Stef wrote: ...and ch5 the same as old ORRA1 with tone as per your table....Same diffs
Correct... but we called it the Hilux channel due to the tone. AFAIK none of the other dealers programmed any tones onto the two frequencies. So in other words the other ORRA members only had "two channels"
CasKru wrote:Okay... so today I programmed my radios and Dawie's radio to the new ORRA layout. So I made this littel chart to compare the old with the new and on which channels you will have to be to communicate with guys who have not updated their radios yet... hope it helps a bit with the confusion.
OrraComp.JPG
Kon jy toe 'n kabel kry wat pas op my radio? Anders moet ek kyk of Eric kan help.
CasKru wrote:Okay... so today I programmed my radios and Dawie's radio to the new ORRA layout. So I made this littel chart to compare the old with the new and on which channels you will have to be to communicate with guys who have not updated their radios yet... hope it helps a bit with the confusion.
OrraComp.JPG
Kon jy toe 'n kabel kry wat pas op my radio? Anders moet ek kyk of Eric kan help.
Die kabel is oppad. Sal jou laat weet sodra ek hom gekry het
Seems like we have to pay to have our radios programmed. I am quite capable of programming my own radio. I Asked what the frequencies are but no one seems to know. So, my question remains. What are the frequencies, or can anyone refer me to a reference where the frequencies are listed. (Both the HF and VHF bands)
All the ORRA-appointed dealers have signed non-disclosure forms, so nope, the frequencies are not available to the general public. ORRA is safeguarding the newly allocated frequency as much as they can.
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
There's a general shortage of VHF frequencies, so ICASA will re-issue the same frequency many times over, depending on the number of users in any given geographical area. When ICASA has 100 registered radios in an area - generally 50km radius of, say, JHB - then they consider the frequency to be "full". But then this same frequency will be available in another geographical area - let's say Klerksdorp - as Klerksdorp is more than 100km (50 + 50km) away from Jhb. So it will be available here for use until there are another 100 users on it.
In practice, ICASA does try and stagger the amount of users per frequency on a regional basis, but considering there are probably in excess of 500,000 VHF radios countrywide with only some 3000 or so VHF frequencies, they are bound to overlap! So this is why we make use of "CTCSS" - or "Sub-audible tones", to help eliminate the chatter of other users on the same frequency, but either on a different tone or no tone at all.
One of these days we will be moving to Digital radio - think cell phone - then things should be a lot less irritating. Digital radio is already in use by some large concerns here and the price of equipment will fall as the numbers grow.
-F_D
White Fang: 1999 2.7i DC Raider 4x4 Bull Dog: 1987 4Y-EFI 2.2 DC 4x4 Pra Dog: 1998 Prado VX 3.4 Hound Dog: 2000 2.7i SC 4x4
One Staffie, One Jack Russell, One Ring Neck Screecher, 17 Fish of questionable heritage
Family_Dog wrote:There's a general shortage of VHF frequencies, so ICASA will re-issue the same frequency many times over, depending on the number of users in any given geographical area. When ICASA has 100 registered radios in an area - generally 50km radius of, say, JHB - then they consider the frequency to be "full". But then this same frequency will be available in another geographical area - let's say Klerksdorp - as Klerksdorp is more than 100km (50 + 50km) away from Jhb. So it will be available here for use until there are another 100 users on it.
In practice, ICASA does try and stagger the amount of users per frequency on a regional basis, but considering there are probably in excess of 500,000 VHF radios countrywide with only some 3000 or so VHF frequencies, they are bound to overlap! So this is why we make use of "CTCSS" - or "Sub-audible tones", to help eliminate the chatter of other users on the same frequency, but either on a different tone or no tone at all.
One of these days we will be moving to Digital radio - think cell phone - then things should be a lot less irritating. Digital radio is already in use by some large concerns here and the price of equipment will fall as the numbers grow.
Family_Dog wrote:There's a general shortage of VHF frequencies, so ICASA will re-issue the same frequency many times over, depending on the number of users in any given geographical area. When ICASA has 100 registered radios in an area - generally 50km radius of, say, JHB - then they consider the frequency to be "full". But then this same frequency will be available in another geographical area - let's say Klerksdorp - as Klerksdorp is more than 100km (50 + 50km) away from Jhb. So it will be available here for use until there are another 100 users on it.
In practice, ICASA does try and stagger the amount of users per frequency on a regional basis, but considering there are probably in excess of 500,000 VHF radios countrywide with only some 3000 or so VHF frequencies, they are bound to overlap! So this is why we make use of "CTCSS" - or "Sub-audible tones", to help eliminate the chatter of other users on the same frequency, but either on a different tone or no tone at all.
One of these days we will be moving to Digital radio - think cell phone - then things should be a lot less irritating. Digital radio is already in use by some large concerns here and the price of equipment will fall as the numbers grow.
-F_D
Oom Eric
Give us some more info on these Digital Radio's please. Apart from the price, can they also be tuned to the ORRA frequencies, etc? Can they communicate with the other VHF radios?
I am looking at making a radio purchase soon, would it not be better to then to get a digital one? Or is their popularity still some time to come? I’ve searched the net but have not come up with much info, therefore I thought to consult the resident oracle!
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Ernst, the digital radios can do both conventional analogue (i.e. ORRA) modes as well as digital modes, but the problem lies with the different specifications between the manufacturers. The various model are not compatible with one another and currently the price is some 2 to 3 times the price of a conventional radio.
However, I would be very happy to sell these radios... ;) We are currently busy with a Mining group for such a system, but we might still change to yet another standard instead.
"Every loaf of bread is tragic story of grains that could've become beer, but didn't. - Walter Thornburgh"
"The best cure for Sea Sickness, is to sit under a tree. - Spike Milligan"
Just love an honest opinion from a dealer! Well done Eric! Very commendable!
"Every loaf of bread is tragic story of grains that could've become beer, but didn't. - Walter Thornburgh"
"The best cure for Sea Sickness, is to sit under a tree. - Spike Milligan"
ORRA will be hosting another radio day for programming of radio's and the tuning of antennas:
Date: Saturday 24 March 2012
Time: 13h00
Cost: R50.00 per radio
Venue: 446 Myburgh Street, Capital Park, Pretoria (next to LA Sport)
Contact for further information: Rina Stander (mornings only) orra@aawdc.org.za or 012 379 1715
CasKru wrote:They have arranged another radio programming day:
ORRA will be hosting another radio day for programming of radio's and the tuning of antennas:
Date: Saturday 24 March 2012
Time: 13h00
Cost: R50.00 per radio
Venue: 446 Myburgh Street, Capital Park, Pretoria (next to LA Sport)
Contact for further information: Rina Stander (mornings only) orra@aawdc.org.za or 012 379 1715
CasKru wrote:Okay... so today I programmed my radios and Dawie's radio to the new ORRA layout. So I made this littel chart to compare the old with the new and on which channels you will have to be to communicate with guys who have not updated their radios yet... hope it helps a bit with the confusion.
OrraComp.JPG
Kon jy toe 'n kabel kry wat pas op my radio? Anders moet ek kyk of Eric kan help.
Die kabel is oppad. Sal jou laat weet sodra ek hom gekry het
Lyk nie of dit gaan gebeur nie, laat weet maar dan kom haal ek die radio en maak 'n ander plan.
What is the talk of the stickers with regards to ORRA? I have never seen any of these and I have had a license for the last 3 or so years?
01 Hilux 3.0L KZ-TE 4x4 Raider d/c
GME Gx300 29meg & Vertex VX2200 VHF radio
Mikem load springs with greasable shackles and polybushes
Monroe Gas Magnum shocks
Kumho Road Venture AT - 30x9.5x15
National Luna Dual battery system
Frontrunner roofrack with s/steel table
Twin rear high lift jack points
Hilux4x4club sticker! ('nuf said!)
Echo3 4x4 offroad trailer with NL 74 Litre Fridge/Freezer
Dual loadbox slides Wishlist:
Alu canopy
Warn Winch
Unlimited Fuel & Travel Budget!
Polarbear2008 wrote:What is the talk of the stickers with regards to ORRA? I have never seen any of these and I have had a license for the last 3 or so years?
When I enquired about the stickers (6 months ago), I was advised that they no longer had a sponsor to make / supply stickers....so I left it at that as it does clog up my windscreen......
...and ch5 the same as old ORRA1 with tone as per your table....Same diffs 
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