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Have any of the you guys with 7Mge motors out there got dyno figures.
And who is the best person that can dyno with a Dictator?

Schalk - Dyno logic - 082 880 6116 / 012 547 1111

Hy is in PTA, maar een van die bestes, hy het seker 10+ hiluxes van die forum met dictators gemap. Myne ook.

Took my KZ to Kosie for a run as I felt I was missing power... and so he was......

here is the graph, boost only at 0.4bar (I can go up to 0.8) but was happy with what she is making at 0.4

Power Output Before

82.9kw
271nm

Power Output After

95.7kw
341NM

They recon at 0.8 bar it will be round 105kw and 380nm :)

Well then... why not turn up the boost??

Hey Bruce , have you already turned up the boost on the turbo?
Cause I am getting the power you talking about with out the boost right now.
Review my dyno on page 6 ;)

Hi Guys

Not sure at this stage if I want more, the van flies as it is, this is standard boost, but better map. I think every Dyno is different, infact I know this, SAC would prob give me 120Kw reading haha, (never trust that dyno).

I am in the process of selling, so I want to keep it reliable!

:D

Goeie dag manne, het vanoggend vir ROOIES gevat vir haar dyno en sy is n ander bakkie. Trek baie egalig deur die ratte tot in 5 de rat. Het nie veel gegain op KW & NM nie maar sy loop so glad soos n Mercedes. Trek gemaklik 135km/h voor die 2 de keel oopmaak. Bly om te sien meeste van haar perde is nog op hok.

Dis nou sommer nog lekkerder om my lorrie te ry. :veryhappy: :veryhappy: :veryhappy:

These are figure's on the wheels and not on the flywheel up on the reef. The motor is balanced and everything is standard.
7mge power with standard ecu, ave 7km/l

het blondie voor laasweek gevat in tzaneen by danouto.
Standaard kzt motor sonder chip en intercooler meganiese diesel pomp
Voor hy begin het:
66kw 204nm
Pomp dwel gestel
71kw 214nm
Boost van .4 na .8
78kw 238 nm

Ek het ongelukkig nie n printout nie ,want daar was n probleem et hulle printer
Wil nog die pomp laat kalibeer as ek weer mulla het, maar op die staduim is ek happy. :)

Het iemand nie 'n nuwer Ford V6 dyno chart nie. Die enigste een is 1997 :wth: :wth:

Check 8A16 at the bottom .... wish it was my Jeep or even Big Daddy.

Oh I should have elaborated .... it was my 6.0l Lumina Auto with Stage ll conversion done by US Powersport and branch and pipes done by TNT.

FYI .... read L U M I N A backwards ...

After Intensive Work we done another 4Y Efi. Look at the Dyna!!!!

Very impressive, Louis!

1. What size tyres were fitted to the vehicle?
2. Was this a Jap or Chinese 4Y?


-F_D

Eric,

It is 31's and it is a Chinese Motor, got +/- 15000kms on the engine.

All extra is the Prospeed branches.

Maybe some Dyno's gives power away?

We have our own Dyno but just or to keep the blokes more interested in our extremely wild things we take it for a second opinion like the test report above!!

Hi Louis,

Sjoe, dit lyk impressive.

Ek het gou met myne vergelyk. Hoekom verloor my engine so baie krag teen hoer revolusies? My torque is great teen laer rpms, maar ek verloor nogal baie soos die rpms klim. (Lyk of my "powerband" rondom 3500 rpm is ...)

4x4megaworldpta wrote:After Intensive Work we done another 4Y Efi. Look at the Dyna!!!!

Ek dink is net maar die verskil in engins, nie almal is dieselfde. Ook miskien die bakkie se dicktator se Fuel & timing maps net vergelyk met die een en klein veranderinge aanbring.

Die meeste van die klein standaard engines begin krag verloor teen hoer revolisies, en daar is 'n baie eenvoudige rede. hoe hoer die revolisies gaan hoe viniger moet die lug verplasing deur die engine beweeg en die meeste standaard engines is maar net gemaak om efektief vanaf 3000 tot so 5000rpm te werk daarna mors mens in baie gevalle net petrol.

Daarby is die meeste bakkie engine cams so in die fabrieke ontwerp om op laer revolisies die krag te maak seker maar om die swaar vragte teen 'n veilige lae rpm, lae spoed voort te trek.

Hoe die ding gestel is en tipe brandstof inspuiting stelsel, exhaust sisteem tyres diff ratio's ens. tel ook heelwat.

Ons het al op die dyno gesien om net 'n profiel tyre op te gaan maak tot 40bhp verskil op 'n v8 so dink net hoe trek dit die ou klein engines.

Yo get so much out of the Efi's on the 4Y? Mine(carb) only get 44 hp on the wheels.

luigi

What is your tyre size ?

31's Riaan

you will get a better reading on 30" but who wants to go that way!

Hi Luigi,

How many kilo's on your engine? Mine is also a 4y, running 31's. I got way more than 44 hp (Thanks again Louis and Bennie). (See on page 6 of this thread, BenHur posted my data)

My engine was dyno'ed when it only had about 5 000 km on. I think I will have to dyno again when the engine has done about 20 000km (hopefully run in by then).

luigi wrote:Yo get so much out of the Efi's on the 4Y? Mine(carb) only get 44 hp on the wheels.

No Riaan, like you "Boertjies" says, is to " Boer agteruite".

Jaco mine done 242 000km so far if I remember correct. So you guysrecon the Fuel injection is something to look into?

luigi wrote:No Riaan, like you "Boertjies" says, is to " Boer agteruite".

Jaco mine done 242 000km so far if I remember correct. So you guysrecon the Fuel injection is something to look into?

Speak to Louis (4x4megaworldpta), he did mine. Some of the not so obvious benefits - my bakkie had a really bad flat spot between 1500 rpm and 2000 rpm with the Carb. That is all over now.

Fuel consumption is still improving (engine is still running in), but, I get around 7.5 - 8 km/l, with the 31" tyres and fully laden.

You don't have to gear down on hills anymore.

The list goes on, but as you can see, I am very impressed.

I DONT CARE WHAT ANY ONE SAYS!

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT!!

IF YOU HAVE THE SAF WITH A 4Y OR 21R AND YOU LIKE 31" TYRES OR 32" TYRES BUGER THE DYNO SPEC'S

Luigi it help saving on your fuel account.

Rian tyres defenatly play a big role, size & also tyre pressure.

I see a lot of the L/C 79 & L/C70 guys that fit new rims and 285 tyres so that the Cruiser look mean, later they complain about the "mean" fuel account. Then 3 -6 months later they go smaller to 265's. By then they had paid for 2 sets of tyres, a heap of money on fuel.

True !

after 200 000km service and belt change, i took it in for dyno and optimization, was smoking a bit when turbo kicked in(part of service had to replace turbo gaskets, fix boost pipe, as it was blowing past). Very happy with the results and can feel the difference.

looks good John
nice low down torque

Hi all,

Eventually got my bakkie to Schalk for the dyno tune. He sure knows his story!

22R with EFI, Dicktator, 31 " tyres. He didn't do the "before" test because he didn't want to damage anything, WHAT A PLEASURE!!

Cheers,

C

2.8 d/cab SFA wrote: after 200 000km service and belt change, i took it in for dyno and optimization, was smoking a bit when turbo kicked in(part of service had to replace turbo gaskets, fix boost pipe, as it was blowing past). Very happy with the results and can feel the difference.

It looks like my heating problem is something of the past, So i want to take my van to a dino this month! happy to hear you saying, you can feel the differance!
what did it cost you

Rooi Oog se dyno`s

Rooi oog se kw

Hi Ouens

Ek vanaand my bakkie terug gekry nadat Louis hom ge-efi het.Weereens het Louis homself oortref.Die bakkie skop nou 84HP uit met n torgue van 145NM.Al wat ek kan se,dit is heeltemal n ander bakkie.Meer as genoeg krag.Sal hom oor die naweek gaan uit toets

Thanx again Louis Jy kan maar:thumbup:

Lollie wrote:Hi Ouens

Ek vanaand my bakkie terug gekry nadat Louis hom ge-efi het.Weereens het Louis homself oortref.Die bakkie skop nou 84HP uit met n torgue van 145NM.Al wat ek kan se,dit is heeltemal n ander bakkie.Meer as genoeg krag.Sal hom oor die naweek gaan uit toets

Thanx again Louis Jy kan maar:thumbup:

Dit is op die agter wiele en nie of flywheel nie

Lekker lekker Rooilux se dyno chart

152 Nm en 84 Hp bakkie trek soos 'n droom!!!!

Baie dankie Louis! Lyk my my bakkie is nou bo aan die lys van Louis se sterkste efi conversions
En dan is hy nog ingestel vir ekonomies ook nog!

RooiLux wrote:Lekker lekker Rooilux se dyno chart

152 Nm en 84 Hp bakkie trek soos 'n droom!!!!

Baie dankie Louis!

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Lyk my my bakkie is nou bo aan die lys van Louis se sterkste efi conversions
En dan is hy nog ingestel vir ekonomies ook nog!

Ek vat myne terug na Louis toe,joune mag nie sterker as myne wees nie.
Geniet hom

Kan ek ook maar my Efi terugvat na Louis toe om die sterker te kry :evil: ? Of ek wil die bakkies copy en paste op myne. :?

Ek vat myne terug na Louis toe,joune mag nie sterker as myne wees nie.
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Hp is darm dieselfde as joune net die Nm wat bietjie meer is maar dis so min verskil,hoe was jou bakkie ingestel om krag te maak of ekonomies te wees?

Ek moet sê die bakkie trek lekker en krag is dadelik daar nou net om te sien hoe die petrol verbruik is.

4x4megaworldpta wrote:Kan ek ook maar my Efi terugvat na Louis toe om die sterker te kry :evil: ? Of ek wil die bakkies copy en paste op myne. :?

Ek dink as jy joune weer oordoen sal hy ook beter wees lyk my jy raak al hoe beter met elke conversion wat jy doen

Weereens baie dankie vir al jou moeite en harde werk jy het my bakkie weer nuwe lewe gegee en my baie gelukkig!

Nou net daai difflock! Ons sal nog gesels daaroor.

My plesier man. Geniet die Bakkie!!

Guys here is my dyno chart. What do you guys think?

Mervin

As Louis so aangaan,gaan hy een van die dae n kontrak by Oliver Tombo lughawe kry om hulle vliegtuig engines te tune. Hy verbeter net op elke EFI.Hoe trek jou bakkie nou?

mervyn wrote:Guys here is my dyno chart. What do you guys think?

LGV853GP 22R EFi.jpg

Looks good Merv. soon you will be able to race in the same class standard as me....

On behalf of Bulletjie-3 (Everdt)

Lollie, it is like a BAT OUTTA HELL!!! compared it what it used to be. On top end i have not opened it out fully as yet as I am running out of road. It just scary for a big vehicle to run like that. I constantly remind myself that the brakes are still the old ones.

Mark u cant catch me now.

Merwen now you have to start saving for your "Account" with the Traffic Department and new Brake pads.

4x4megaworldpta wrote:Merwen now you have to start saving for your "Account" with the Traffic Department and new Brake pads.

Oh so true.....

I think with any engine conversion it should be compulsory to to at least a power break conversion

How do they measure the torque figures on the 4y's, I see they are pushing 152nm and the 7mge is pushing 167nm. Something is not right there because the 7mge has almost double the torque of those 4y motors unless that is the conversion rate on the flywheel as apposed to the wheels.

Gunta wrote:How do they measure the torque figures on the 4y's, I see they are pushing 152nm and the 7mge is pushing 167nm. Something is not right there because the 7mge has almost double the torque of those 4y motors unless that is the conversion rate on the flywheel as apposed to the wheels.

That figure doesn't make that big a difference. I am still of the opinion that these Dyno meters measuring on the wheels are only indicative and cannot be taken as exact. In most cases the wheels are running on steel rollers which have been run smooth over time. So you have a lot of wheel slippages. So different tyre pressures, compounds, dimensions, age would have a huge effect on the dyno. m2cw

Mark, never underestimate the power of a 4y

Hi Mark what were your figures on the 7M ?

Thanks Cassie, I scan this document, any surgestions on how to improve the display ?
Thanks again

Everdt, go to the previous page and you will see it near the top. I am also getting 167nm at a lower rpm than you and the same kw at 5100. With the gas flow you have about 8kw more at higher revs.
Afew years ago I had mine dynoed near OR tambo and the torque was 240nm and 98kw with my other head which was gas flowed and the dictator ecu. After the engine rebuild I changed the head because it got a bit thin and was pinging to much and then put in the OEM ecu. Less power but much better consumption.
I spoke to Steven Green the other day from RG motorsport and he recons I should put a chip in and it should give me another 15% power increase.

Bulletjie-3 wrote:Hi Mark what were your figures on the 7M ?

Thanks Cassie, I scan this document, any surgestions on how to improve the display ?
Thanks again

Sit so 10 blank bladsye bod die doc wat jy scan, dit help

OOOOMS wrote:

Bulletjie-3 wrote:Hi Mark what were your figures on the 7M ?

Thanks Cassie, I scan this document, any surgestions on how to improve the display ?
Thanks again

Sit so 10 blank bladsye bod die doc wat jy scan, dit help

And if it an automatic feeder use a crowbar to make the rollers bigger to fit the ream.

Ja ou swaer.
Mark you are talking of another R3 500 roughly, you think it is worth it ? You know tha other guy's results were 118 HP and 168 Nm. I have a beter performance and consumption now. I questionmark his results very much. Thanks for your referal.

Dia ander Mark. Ek het die deksel afgedruk maar jou idee klink beter dankie.