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Auto Start problem Auris D4D

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My 2010 Auris 2.0 D4D has one of them automatic button start functions.

How does the system know when to release the button after the engine started?

Mine now has a problem, when it is cold, the started does not let go, it runs with the engine after it started.

I do not know where to start looking for the problem. Is there a sensor which tells the system when the engine is running which then cuts the power to the starter, or does it compare the speed of engine with speed of starter?... or is it maybe a sticky bendix?

It only does it when I start it first thing in the morning, or if we used the vehicle during the day and it was standing until 17h00 and then start again for the first time. When hot there is absolutely no problem.
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Re: Auto Start problem Auris D4D

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Klink meer soos die solenoid wat op die starter die bendix gear inskop wat vas haak en nie release nie.
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As die ding 'n sleutel gehad het sou ek ook so dink, maar, as mens die knop 'n tweede keer druk is dit soos wanneer jy jou ignition met sleutel afsit. As ek die knop tweede keer druk stop hy dadelik en sit enjin af..

Dis hoekom ek nie lekker weet of dit 'n starter fout is of 'n sein fout is.
Neem aan om die starter af te haal gaan beginpunt wees.
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Neem aan om die starter af te haal gaan beginpunt wees.
Stem saam. Maak net seker die bendix is nie beskadig en dat dit maklik in en uit gly. (Moenie olie of ghries daaraan gebruik nie, net graphite poeier.)

As die solenoid nie uitskop nie, is dit seker 'n sein probleem. Nie seker nie, maar ek sou dink dat sodra die alternator krag begin lewer word die sein gedrop. :think:
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Waar kry mens graphite poeier, is dit iets wat parte winkels verkoop? Of moet ek 'n potlood fynmaak?
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Parte winkels behoort te hê.
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Ek het ook die grafiet poeier by Makro gesien by die deurslotte. Voor die druk knoppie stelsel as die starter aanhou hardloop het was dit of die aansitter slot wat vashaak of die kontakte op die solenoid wat vasgebrand het. Met die elektroniese goed is dit nie altyd so eenvoudig nie. Daar moet 'n stelsel op wees wat optel sodra die enjin of vinniger begin draai of as die alternator begin krag lewer. Of dalk self 'n toegewyde sensor êrens wat bevestig dat die enjin loop. Die stelsel sal dan vir die ECU sê hy loop nou wat dan weer die starter sal afsit. As dit normaal weg reg werk dan wonder ek of die elektronika gedeelte van die stelsel vir die probleem verantwoordelik is.

Ek sou eerste begin soek vir 'n "meganiese" fout. Die eerste ding wat by my opgekom het is dat daar bepaald êrens 'n relay moet wees wat toemaak om krag na die solenoid te stuur. Ek sou uitvind waar hierdie relay sit en kyk of hy nie dalk vas steek nie. Hoekom dit sal gebeur as die kar koud is en nie warm nie kan ek nie dink nie.

Dalk is die solenoid self taai binne(die meganiese gedeelte wat binne die spoel beweeg) en hou die kontak toe as die enjin en dus die solenoid self koud is maar sodra hy warm word (deur induksie en uitstraling van die enjin af) dan is hy dalk minder taai omdat die ou ghries/aanpaksel nou meer vloeibaar is. Ek sal dus ook die starter afhaal en seker maak als is skoon en reg. Ek hoop jy kom reg want met die moderne karre met hulle komplekse elektronika kan dit nogal 'n kopseer wees.

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As die eersgenoemde goed nie die probleem aanspreek nie dan moet jy hom maar vat vir 'n diagnostiese toets. Dalk het die ECU iets opgetel. Dis jammer jy is so vêr anders kon ek jou gou help om die kar te scan maar ek is seker jy ken iemand teen hierdie tyd.
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Baie dankie. Sal maar gou die naweek die starter afhaal en kyk of hy skoon is en indien alles by starter reg is vat dat hulle kyk. Hy moet oor 4000 km vir 'n diens gaan dan kan hulle sommer kyk.
Het al agtergekom as ek hom eerste keer in oggend start druk ek knop en sodra hy start druk ek knop weer sodat hy kan stop, gewoonlik wanneer ek hom dan die tweede keer start vat hy reg soos hy moet.
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klink regtig soos 'n "sticky" solenoid.
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Ek hoop regtig dit is net dit want met hierdie nuwerwetse voertuie weet ek nie altyd waar om die fout te begin soek as die goed lol.
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Die krag word van die solenoid af weg gevat as die revolusies bo so +/- 800 is .
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Dankie, maar in my geval word dit , lyk my, nie weggevat nie.
Wat skakel die krag af, iets wat die revolusies meet? Is daar dalk 'n sensor wat vuil kan wees of vervang moet word?
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Die engine ecu moet die krag wegvat. Sit n toets lig op die solenoid draad en start dan as die krag weggaan maar die starter loop nog saam is dit die solenoid wat foutief is
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Het starter uitgehaal, gestrip, skoon gemaak, bendix graphite gesmeer en teruggesit.

Hy maak steeds so.
Ek dink nou wat Jan gesê het dai ECU by so 800 rpm krag wegvat van solonoid.
As enjin start gaan revs vir baie kort tyd na die laaste strepie voor 1000 rpm en val dan na die 2 strepie voor 1000 rpm, dit is dan wat die starter aanhou hardloop.
Vanoggend na die 3de probeerslag het hy gestart en gebly by die laaste strepie voor 1000rpm sonder om weer te val en toe loop hy reg.

Ek het eenslag hom probeer rev sodra hy start, maar hy reageer nie as ek die pedaal trap nie.
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Jammer om dit te hoor. Ek probeer maar altyd eers die meganiese foute uitskakel voor ek met die bedrading en elektronika begin karring. So verstaan ek dit reg dat die revs val tot onder 800 en dat die starter dan nie afskakel nie? Dan moet mens probeer vasstel hoekom dit gebeur.
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Jan, is daar n manier om die revs te stel wat hy loop nadat hy koud gestart het. Ek dink dit is die probleem. Vanoggend het ek nie die starter aggesit toe hy saamloop, maar eerder die versnelller getrap en die oomblik toe die revs klim toe los die starter.

Ek dink is doodeenvoudig dat sy koud start revs te laag is. Wanneer hy koud start val die revs vir n sekond of drie nadat hy gestart het en tel dan op. Dit is daai val wat maak dat die starter nie los nie.
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When you let go of the clutch the starter is supposed to stop swinging.
On an auto i think it works with the brake pedal.
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Thanx, will try that tomorrow morning.
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Thank you Nishan, the clutch tip works like a charm.

Started it this morning, starter runs with engine, leave the clutch, starter switch off and release immediately. :thumbup:
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Awesome! Glad to hear and thanks for the feedback

just remember to keep it in neutral when you dropping the clutch :D:
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just remember to keep it in neutral when you dropping the clutch :D:
Ha Ha, yes, I had to focus on that one. :D:
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