Brake pads

[Scooter]

So 4 months and +-10000km after changing the brake pads I am faced with having to change them again.
I am not impressed with the ferodo ceramics I have in. The only real work they have done was towing a trailer with quads to moz in december. They had a chance to bed in properly before hand and I would have expected at least 30K out of them. The discs are fine and the pads are wearing evenly so no problems with pistons etc.

Anyway, now I am prepared to try the Lucas pads that Gemini offer, anyone tried them yet? Any other suggestions?

[BenHur]

When I had to buy pads for the Paj in Feb the guys offered me something else (cant remember the name now but not Lucas) in place of the Ferodo Platinum's I normally use. They did not have stock on the Ferodo's at the time. They said its the same quality at R50 less.

Well after these ones are finished I will go back to the Ferodo's again. The new ones does brake well and does not dirty my rims and the disks seems even but it makes a hell of a noise and is not smooth at below 2 km/h. Being an auto the Paj likes to creep if you do not keep enough pressure on the pedal at robots and then this pads irritate the living daylights out of me.

[Scooter]

The lucas pads from gemini are about R150 more than Ferodo ceramics but of course that doesn't make them better pads.
I can't seem to find Ferodo Platinums anywhere but will keep trying.

EDIT: found platinums at a Autozone (no stock) for R380
Guess I will try the lucas for now and hopefully wont get burned while doing so.

[CasKru]

Is ATE not another descent brand you could try?

[legend35]

I found ATE better than Ferodo.My opinion.

[BenHur]

ATE is OK if your not a hard braker but the last ATEs I had on a vehicle glaced after about 6000kms and then the disk wears quicker then the pad. If you like to brake hard then Ferodo is the disk to use.

Many years ago I used to buy PBR Metal Master Plus pads for my golf. They were in a class of their own but when the rand started going south in the later part of the 90s they became to expensive and no one imported them any longer. Many racing okes used them as well.

[Scooter]

Well I bought and fitted the LUCAS pads. They look decent, even have a anti-squeel pad on the back meaning no need for copper slip (still put some on anyway).

Lets see if they last longer than the +-10000 ks of the ceramics. :?

[Scooter]

Update on Lucas brake pads. They don't last either. 9000kms and in need of replacement.

Now to find Ferrodo Plantinums again as I reckon they the only ones that will outlast the softer ones.

[3RZ]

There seems to be some inconsistency in the compounds. The original OEM pads on my Lux were ATE, I replaced them at 32000Km's they could have done another 7000K's. The aftermarket ATE's bought from the local spares shop were done within 12000km's. The Ferodo Ceramic's currently in the Lux have done about 30000Km's and are about two thirds worn. I have installed about 4 or 5 sets of Ferodo Ceramics in my 4x4's and have always got at least 30000km's.

How about trying these from powerbrake http://www.powerbrake.co.za/prod_pads/pads.htm Don't know what they cost though.

"Hawk LTS - is a Ferro-Carbon pad material that uses similar technology to the HPS material described above. The LTS compound was developed specifically to meet the unique braking requirements of heavy 4x4’s, pick-ups and SUV’s. A very similar material to HPS, the LTS compound has slightly more initial bite and a medium friction co-efficient. Once again this material offers incredible pad life, while being very kind to discs and producing low levels of brake dust. Powerbrake has extensively tested this material in both wet and dry conditions both on and off-road including the hot, sandy desert conditions experienced in many parts of Southern Africa (i.e. Namibia, Botswana, Angola). The Hawk LTS compound requires a fairly firm pedal pressure but offers strong, extremely consistent friction levels over a wide heat range. LTS offers unmatched pad and disc life on heavy 4x4's and SUV's."

[JohanM]

Scott, I bought a few months ago new Toyota Pads for my Hilux. I have done over 10000 km's city and highway driving, which included a lot of stopping from high speeds. My previous set also OE toyota lasted for approx 40000' km which is in my view a lot better than most but was quiet pricey.........approx R 600-00 for the set....

[dalkill]

is it true that the entire hub needs to be removed to change brake pads?
I did a search for change brake pads and there seems to be to topic on this.
I would appreciate some pointers in this regard.

i have done the brakes on my rolla already, but I have yet to do the lux.

[Scooter]

is it true that the entire hub needs to be removed to change brake pads?
I did a search for change brake pads and there seems to be to topic on this.
I would appreciate some pointers in this regard.

i have done the brakes on my rolla already, but I have yet to do the lux.

Shaaks, there is no need to remove hubs en ol. The pads are held in by two pins. All you need to do is:

1) Jack up and support lux
2) Remove wheels
3) Remove resevoir cap, because pushing the pistons back will fill the resevoir.
4) Turn steering to one side, the caliper will be accesible
5) Using a screw driver (or special tool) push the pistons back, making sure you use the old pad as a prying point, so as not to damage the pistons
6) Remove the guide pin retaining clip that holds the guide pins in place, and anti rattle spring
7) Remove the guide pins
8.) Remove pads and replace with new.
9) The reversal applies to fitting the new ones.

In other words, it is not difficult at all and is fairly straight forward. if you did the rolla you can do the lux.

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Found a pic of a dismanteled brake caliper. You will see that all that is needed to get the pads out is to remove the "guide pins" and the anti rattle spring, if you have them.

[Marty]

Hi all,

As part of the upgrades that I would like to do is upgrading the brakes as well. So I contacted powerbrakes and this is what they said. And yes, I did get confirmation in writing that I can post this :)

Fitment can be handled by any qualified technician or competent DIY mechanic.

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Hi Martin,

Most of your braking is done by the front wheels (up to 80%), so you have to concentrate on the front brakes if you want to improve stopping power. We therefore recommend that you leave the rear brakes as is. Upgrading them to discs also run the risk of upsetting brake balance (since you will be moving brake force to the rear) with negative consequences in terms of stability under hard braking.

I am going to recommend that you fit our All Terrain Series matched Upgrade Kits to your vehicles. The kit consists of a pair of (front) Powerbrake All Terrain Series high-performance slotted discs as well as a set of matched high-performance brake pads that have been extensively tested by us to provide the maximum performance and durability, when used in conjunction with the discs in the kit, on the car in question. The kit will offer strong, quiet, fade-free braking and will give excellent disc and pad life. You can expect around a 25% improvement in brake performance (which is substantial in brake terms), with far better fade resistance during emergency stops or mountain decents as well as improved wet weather braking. This setup will offer substantial improvements whether you are just commuting around town or braking from highway-type speeds on the open road. Off-road brake performance in dusty, wet & muddy terrain will also be substantially improved. Our kits utilize the standard calipers on the vehicle and fitment is as simple as a normal disc and pad change. There are no permanent modifications to the vehicle. I assure you that once you have driven the vehicle with the brake upgrade kit, you will never go back to standard brakes again.


Please see the following links on our website:
All Terrain Kits - http://www.powerbrake.co.za/pages/kits_allterrain.htm
All Terrain Loose Discs - http://www.powerbrake.co.za/pages/discs_allterrain.htm

Pricing:
Powerbrake All Terrain Series Matched Brake Upgrade Kit (front discs & pads) - AT9281149HD @ R2599,20 incl vat. (In stock now).

NOTE - If you would like to go ahead with the order, please let me know and I will send through our standard order confirmation form, including payment options via EFT or credit card. Courier delivery of the full kit to (PTA\JHB) would be an additional R79,80 Incl. Delivery to major coastal centers is R 171,00 incl.

Regards,

Leon Duigan
Powerbrake
T) +27 12 998 0214
F) +27 12 993 1221
sales@powerbrake.co.za
www.powerbrake.co.za

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[Family_Dog]

I fitted a Powerbrakes kit to Bulldog a couple of years ago, and I'm quite happy with them. I have no issues with Bulldog's brakes.


-F_D

[chopper]

Eric,
What does this entail?

[Mud Dog]

Eric,
What does this entail?

Replacing discs and pads .... their discs are grooved and ventilated which helps to prevent glazing. Glazing occurs with almost all braking systems to some lesser or larger degree. The less, the better the friction and therefore the better the grip (in a nutshell).

Let me add that I've had excellent service out of my standard kit with ATE pads. The only time I ever had brake issues was when a vacuun leak developed in the brake booster.

[Family_Dog]

Thinus, Mike th Mechanic said it was a fairly straightforward job to fit them, no problems. Must admit I don't do this myself anymore, more's the pity. Can't remember what the labour charge to fit them was, something like R150 I think.


-F_D

[chopper]

Thanks Eric

[Mud Dog]

Thinus, Mike th Mechanic said it was a fairly straightforward job to fit them, no problems. Must admit I don't do this myself anymore, more's the pity. Can't remember what the labour charge to fit them was, something like R150 I think.


-F_D

Do we hear a melody coming on?

[Vixen]

Does any one know where I can get those ANTI-RATTLE SPRING’S ?

[Donkey]

Hi Vixen
9 out of 10 times Gemini Parts in Kruis street, JHB City Centre will have those clips. Just be aware not to go there btwn 13:00 and 14:00 on Fridays since they're Muslim.

[Scooter]

Johan, it would probably be easier for you to get them straight from the stealers.
They anti rattle clips cost about R40 each from the stealers.

I replaced mine but can't say I notice anything different from not having them at all. :wth:

[Mr_B]

Bolt's front brakes rattled annoyingly when I bought her... especially when driving slow on corrugated surfaces... on inspecting I noted that the anti-rattle clips were missing on one side, bought them from Toyota... fitted them... and the rattle was history!

mr b

[Vixen]

Thanks my brakes R driving me nuts.... especially when i am driving slow.. Ill make a turn at the dealers today

[Jaco Versfeld]

Hi Eric,

Do you use normal brakepads with the powerbrake discs, or do you now have to use their discs?

Thinus, Mike th Mechanic said it was a fairly straightforward job to fit them, no problems. Must admit I don't do this myself anymore, more's the pity. Can't remember what the labour charge to fit them was, something like R150 I think.


-F_D

[Family_Dog]

Hi Jaco,

Powerbrakes supplies the pads & disks as a kit, with the advice that they're specially selected as matched units for best performance. So far I cannot fault them and have had a couple of emergency stops as well. Probably best to stick to what they supply.


-F_D

[Sifu-Lux]

Here are some home made anti rattle springs that I found a few years ago on the old site of mods by a guy called John.

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Sorry about the quality, thats all I have.

[Mud Dog]

Good idea actually .... so easy and simple. would work well too, I'm sure.

[Ou Legend]

Onthou net die callipar se gate raak ook uitgesluit met die jare dan help daai antirattle pins nie veel nie.

[Kykdaar]

Seems no one sells Ferodo Platinums anymore, everyone just wants to sell you the Ceramic's.

Decided to try one of the Powerbrake pads previously referred to elsewhere in the thread. Apparently the Hawk LTS has been discontinued and the Bendix Heavy Duty pads are now used for our purpose - around R650 a set.

Will try them out and report back.

Bendix Heavy Duty – is a premium Semi-Metallic compound that is designed to offer strong performance, excellent durability and good fade resistance for hardworking vehicles that drive in heavy city traffic, carry heavy loads or tow regularly. This compound is ideal for any vehicle that experiences frequent braking under load. The pads feature an insulation layer between the friction material and the backing plate that reduces heat transfer to the caliper and brake fluid under heavy braking. Also featured is a unique titanium layer on the surface of the friction material that raises the friction level during the initial bed-in period for the first 50-100km’s (30-60 miles) after fitment and speeds up the bed-in process. Bendix Heavy Duty is a premium workhorse material that offers strong brake performance over a wide temperature range while often lasting up to twice as long as many original equipment or aftermarket pads.

[Borntofish]

I have used Safeline brakes, and they have provided service now past the 30k mark. They are also cheaper than the ferodo's which I find to be dirty pads.