Building something for my IFS 2003

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:16 pm

Guess what I'll be building soon...?

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Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:27 pm

Drawers?

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:07 am

Yip, got all the bearings and nuts and bolts, just looking for some U or C Channel with an opening of 34-36mm, then I'll get the rest of the material.

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ROOFER · Post by **ROOFER** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:55 am

i'll be keeping an on things

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Me wants those bearings 2...

ROOFER · Post by **ROOFER** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:16 pm

ROOFER wrote:i'll be keeping an on things

EYE

oops :!:

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:18 pm

Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...

What size bearings are you looking for??

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:29 pm

Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...

these are 6201 bearings got it at Centurion Bearings @ R20 per bearing...but I'm sure you can get them cheaper if you shop around... I bought 24 of them, you don't know it yet but I've got a welding job for you soon. Over and above those rocksliders.

I'll post my design soon, a lot of it is from Polorbear2008.

Where can I get U-Channel with a gap of 34-36 mm? I tried 3 places no luck...

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:38 pm

4x4Maniac wrote:
Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...
these are 6201 bearings got it at Centurion Bearings @ R20 per bearing...but I'm sure you can get them cheaper if you shop around... I bought 24 of them, you don't know it yet but I've got a welding job for you soon. Over and above those rocksliders.

I'll post my design soon, a lot of it is from Polorbear2008.

Where can I get U-Channel with a gap of 34-36 mm? I tried 3 places no luck...

You will probably be able to find it at http://www.thelastplaceyoulook.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:43 pm

4x4Maniac wrote:
Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...
these are 6201 bearings got it at Centurion Bearings @ R20 per bearing...but I'm sure you can get them cheaper if you shop around... I bought 24 of them, you don't know it yet but I've got a welding job for you soon. Over and above those rocksliders.

I'll post my design soon, a lot of it is from Polorbear2008.

Where can I get U-Channel with a gap of 34-36 mm? I tried 3 places no luck...

You can have them bent for you from 3mm steel. Thats what Ciske does in the Cape Town in....

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:53 pm

CasKru wrote:
4x4Maniac wrote:
Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...
these are 6201 bearings got it at Centurion Bearings @ R20 per bearing...but I'm sure you can get them cheaper if you shop around... I bought 24 of them, you don't know it yet but I've got a welding job for you soon. Over and above those rocksliders.

I'll post my design soon, a lot of it is from Polorbear2008.

Where can I get U-Channel with a gap of 34-36 mm? I tried 3 places no luck...
You will probably be able to find it at http://www.thelastplaceyoulook.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ja, dit klink na die regte plek om dit te kry...

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:03 pm

Personally I think that bearing is over kill.....

•Item: 6201-2RS Ball Bearings
•Type: Deep Groove Ball Bearings
•Size: 12mm x 32mm x 10mm
•Inner Diameter: 12mm
•Outer Diameter: 32mm
•Width: 10mm
•6201-2RS Lubrication: Self Lubricated (Grease)
•Quantity: 10 Bearings
•Dynamic load rating Cr: 6,800 N
•Static load rating Cor: 3,050 N
•Limiting Speed:
◦Grease Lubrication: 17,000 RPM
•Equivalents: 201PP, 6201.2RSR, 201SZZ, 6201DDU, 6201LLU and 6201-2R

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:05 pm

You could use this type of bearing too and they half the price from bearing man..............

626RS sealed Ball Bearing, it is made of Chrome Steel, this bearing is sealed with rubber seals to protect the bearing from dust or any possible contamination, this is self lubricated bearing (bearing is already greased).

•Item: 626RS Ball Bearing
•Type: Deep Groove Ball Bearing
•Material: Chrome Steel
•Closures: 2 Rubber Seals
•Quality: Electric Motor Quality
•Dimensions: 6mm x 19mm x 6mm/Metric
•ID (inner diameter)/Bore: 6mm
•OD (outer diameter): 19mm
•Width/Height/thickness: 6mm
•Quantity: One Bearing
•Dynamic load rating Cr: 2,600 N
•Static load rating Cor: 1,050 N
•Limiting Speed:
◦Grease Lubrication: 35,000 RPM
•Equal: 626-2RS1 & 626-2RZ

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:10 pm

Point to remember............

If you use an open ball ballbearing then you will have to grease it and that will be messy and no good for dusty situations
Thats why its best to go for the 2R-S or ZZ sealed bearings.....
2R-S is the rubber seal which is perfect for the aplication in which you going to use it.....
ZZ is the steal seal which is over kill for this job......

Sorry if the info is to much or i got carried away..... just M2C worth....

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:16 pm

Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...

Lost yours with your marbles?

Post by **Polarbear2008** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:37 pm

Mofasa

Those are not open bearings. I have the same ones in my slide setup and they have black covers on either side.

Post by **Polarbear2008** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:44 pm

Werner

Hope you keep us posted on the progress!

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:53 pm

Cleaner wrote:
Ali3n wrote:Me wants those bearings 2...
Lost yours with your marbles?

You were not supposed to know... My doctor says I will be okay, I must just stay away from heavy machinery

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:49 pm

MOFASA wrote:You could use this type of bearing too and they half the price from bearing man..............

626RS sealed Ball Bearing, it is made of Chrome Steel, this bearing is sealed with rubber seals to protect the bearing from dust or any possible contamination, this is self lubricated bearing (bearing is already greased).

•Item: 626RS Ball Bearing
•Type: Deep Groove Ball Bearing
•Material: Chrome Steel
•Closures: 2 Rubber Seals
•Quality: Electric Motor Quality
•Dimensions: 6mm x 19mm x 6mm/Metric
•ID (inner diameter)/Bore: 6mm
•OD (outer diameter): 19mm
•Width/Height/thickness: 6mm
•Quantity: One Bearing
•Dynamic load rating Cr: 2,600 N
•Static load rating Cor: 1,050 N
•Limiting Speed:
◦Grease Lubrication: 35,000 RPM
•Equal: 626-2RS1 & 626-2RZ

Johno (Mr Bearing Man), from the above specs it seems like the bearing I'm going to use takes three times the load compared to the 626? Or am I understanding them incorrectly. It is definately a sealed bearing with plastics on the side, so no dust (and all-and-all) goes in there...

And secondly I don't need them to go at 35K RPM, 17K RPM should just do fine... unless I really jerk out that roller drawer and perhaps need a really quick beer

Also I think a hole of 6mm might not be enough, compared to 12mm... Remember all the weight will be sitting not only on the bearing, but also on the bolt that goes between the bearing, wouldn't it?

How much would the 626 go for compared to the 6201?

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:51 pm

MOFASA wrote:Point to remember............

If you use an open ball ballbearing then you will have to grease it and that will be messy and no good for dusty situations
Thats why its best to go for the 2R-S or ZZ sealed bearings.....
2R-S is the rubber seal which is perfect for the aplication in which you going to use it.....
ZZ is the steal seal which is over kill for this job......

Sorry if the info is to much or i got carried away..... just M2C worth....

That's the other number I was looking for the 2R-S - That one is sealed...

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:54 pm

ThysdJ wrote: You can have them bent for you from 3mm steel. Thats what Ciske does in the Cape Town in....

Thanks, I'm also leaning towards that... phoned someone here in Centurion today, but he wasn't available, so left a message to phone back, hopefully they can help...
Otherwise anyone else knows of someone?

Can I bend 2mm or won't this be sutable? Don't want it too heavy either.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:03 pm

It's just the RPM's that worries me, do you think the bearings will handle the speed of the drawer?

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:14 pm

Ok so here is the basic design...

Stil not sure how the lock/stop will work yet... Any ideas?

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ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:23 pm

Theunis Polarbeer will be able to help you with the stops.. he posted something on that subject recently..

Your design is spot on..

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:34 pm

4x4Maniac wrote: Can I bend 2mm or won't this be sutable? Don't want it too heavy either.

You can use 2mm as long as you go for the same shape as lip channel as it is stronger....

As for the bearings andy 2R-S bearing will do...
You WILL be supprised how much weight a M6 HT bolt can hold but if you a little worried about the weight the add a bearing or stick to the M12 bolt....

Willem01 · Post by **Willem01** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:18 pm

Hier is n nice stop/lock om te keer dat hy nie agter uit val nie.....acon fastners

The Legend · Post by **The Legend** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:59 pm

Hi Werner
Ek loop al lankal met die idee rond om ook vir my bakkie n slider te bou wat werk met geseelde bearings.Hou ons asb op hoogte met jou projek.

FOTOS ASB !!

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Ok manne, tel die u-channel staal more op by Non-Ferrous Metals in Pta Wes. Yipee

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:10 pm

Willem01 wrote:Hier is n nice stop/lock om te keer dat hy nie agter uit val nie.....acon fastners

fantasties, dankie Accorn Fasteners is om die draai van my hier in Centurion. Het al die boude en moerre daar gekoop.

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:37 pm

So was bietjie laat gewees by NFM en toe is hulle stoor klaar toe... Maar ek het ten minste n paar goedjies gedoen gekry...more oggend 1ste ding tel ek die U-channel op.

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Alles moet nog geweld word, gate geboor word in die bak en in die kante. maar ek is nie die man om te weld nie... Mmm nou waar kry ek so iemand?

Die angle iron aan die kante is 40mmx40mm 2mm dik en 1190mm in lengte. Maar moes dit na die binnekant toe swaai, anders pas alles nie in nie.
Die raam is 25mmx25mm 2mm dik en 1190mm in lengte.
Die kante van die raam, voor en agter is 420mm, gedink ek maak dit so met die dat ek n Wolfpack of n ammo box kan laat pas. Die Wolfpack is 400mm in breedte en Ammo box is 420mm in lengte. Ek kan 4 ammo bokse pas in lengte en behoort 3 wolfpacks te kan pak en breedte (of so hoop ek). Het gedink aan 1190mm as die lengte, want die Water tenk kom voor agter die cab in. En Outdoorwarehouse sin is so 110mm breedt.

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:40 pm

Nog n paar...

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4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:42 pm

hier is die water tenk wat ek wil op sit...

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Post by **Polarbear2008** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:55 am

Lekker man Werner! Nou begin dinge spoed optel! Afhangende van hoeveel spasie jy tussen die agterklap van die laaibak en die slide het, kan jy die slot soos op een van die posts hierbo, aan die voorkant (naaste aan die klap) sit, dan het jy geen kabels en pulleys nodig nie. As spasie n probleem gaan wees, gaan jy maar n slot van plat staal moet sny (gaan kyk by n Safari Centre na hoe Frontrunner s"n werk)[foto aangeheg]. Dis net n stuk plat plaat waarvan die een punt ongebuig is as n "handvatsel" en dan steek dit deur die glyraam om dit vas te hou. Ek stel voor jy bou n soort failsafe stopper in die raam wat sal keer dat die raam heel uitgly sou iets ophou werk. Ek het my slotmeganisme gekies omdat dit die raam vashou wanneer hy oop OF toe is, want mens kannie altyd op gelyk plek parkeer nie, en ek soek nie my yskas op my skoot nie dankie! HAHA!

Hou ons op hoogte en vra gerus as jy nog hulp soek!

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:59 pm

So, toe dog ek nog gister Non Ferrous Metal Works, hou staal ook aan... en toe nie... Die man bring toe vir my 'n lekker U-channel aluminium aan, en ek lag toe vir hom... Sheez, plaas dat hy my nou al gister daarvan gesê het...

Anyways, so toe gaan ek vanoggend op 'n ekspidisie op soektog na iemand wat vir my Mildsteel kan buig. Kom toe by ouens uit wat vir my stainless kan doen, maar lag ook toe hulle my sê R1220 vir 4 u-channels.

Toe gaan ek aan en soek, soek, soek, totdat ek verwys is deur ingeneurs werke van Pretoria Sheetmetal works. Die ou ballie sit toe daarso en ek wil, wil hom nog so wys, maar hy sê toe vir my hy kan nie opstaan nie, ek moet vir hom verduidelik wat ek wil he, en doen die job vir my tjop-tjop. Sien en kyk hierdie ding uit en omtrent 'n uur later toe sny hulle vir my 4 U-channels, buig dit en sommer sweis alles aanmekaar vir my! (Dis nou die raam en tack sommer die U-channel ook vir my vas) En raai wat kos dit my? ....

wag vir dit...

'n measly R300 bokke. WOW nou dit is mos diens daai... alles japtrap binne 'n uur.
As julle hulle wil kontak:
Pretoria Sheetmetal works
Pretorius straat (naby van der Hoff straat)
(012) 377 0118/9

Soe hierso is 'n paar foto's van hoe dinge nou lyk, Nou begin dinge mooi begin lyk.

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Koop toe sommer die "Spring loaded bolt" by Acorn Fasteners saam met 'n paar vierkantige washers met 'n gat van 10mm en nog 'n paar lock nuts vir die bearings

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Lyk my vanaand gaan ek bietjie besig wees.

The Legend · Post by **The Legend** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:21 pm

Dit lyk baie goed sover.Ek hou jou vordering met belangstelling dop.

Moet asb nie op hou met die foto,s nie.

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:06 pm

So toe help Ali3n my gister om die drawers te fit, (Dankie buddie!) net een gedoen gekry, want hulle is nogal finetjie en moet n tight fit he! Dit lyk smart en werk goed, nog n paar goedjies om te doen:

1. Spring loaded slot moet vas kom, braket moet ook vasgesweis word.
2. Stop moet ingesit word sodat die laai nie kan uit val nie. Het gedink aan n bracket agter die slide wat dan hak op die bin.
3. Nog primer opsit, ek het NS5 gekry vir dit.
4. Vloer moet nog gesny, gefit word en mat opgegom word.

Sal more beter foto's neem...

As ek dit weer doen, sal ek die slides eerder mount op n frame, want die bin is nie level nie en is nogal trail en error om hom presies te pas, en dan boor ek nie te veel gate in my bin nie. Maar aanhouer wen.

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Post by **Polarbear2008** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:07 pm

Nice man Werner! Bly om te sien dinge kry nou vinnig vorm! Dit voel altyd of die beplanning 6 maande vat en die werk 3 dae! Maar eerder so anders is dit permanent kopkrap as dinge nie wil werk (as gevolg van n gebrek aan beplanning nie!) En gelukkig is hier n klomp van ons wat graag help!

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:24 pm

Ok hierso is nog n foto...

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4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:28 pm

Dankie Theunis, sal seker eers weer volgende week kan verder werk, dinge raak nou besig by die werk en my naweke is vol geboek, maar sal dit klaar kry belowe

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:33 pm

Ok manne, so dinge het weer begin spoed vang en albei drawers is nou in en slotte is vas geweld... Duisend dankies aan Fransisco wat my gehelp het om alles bymekaar te sit... Sal more behoorlike foto's neem.

Ek moet nog net die stop in sit sodat die drawers nie heeltemal uit gly nie. n Handvatsel en dan kom die blad bo op...

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:45 pm

Dit lyk fippen smart man. Eenigetyd tjom.

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:26 am

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4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:28 am

O ja, ek moet hom nog verf net NS5 primer...

Het julle manne dalk idees vir die stop? My oorspronglike plan was om n swivel agter te sit met met n boud op die bak?

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:22 pm

Dit lyk baie nice! Well done!

Post by **Polarbear2008** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:03 am

Werner

Ek sou n stukkie flatbar vertikaal aan die frame vassweis (in blou op die foto - nie op skaal), en dan n soortgelyke stukkie flatbar horisontaal aan die einde van die U-channel vassweis (aan die agterkant van die frame) sodat wanneer die laai so te se heeltemal uitgetrek is, die 2 in mekaar vasloop en die laai nie kan uitval nie.

Hoop dit maak sin.

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:47 pm

Dankie Teunis, wil dalk iets soortgelyks doen maar bietjie diepper in die laai in ook op die frame. Die probleem is dit moet springloaded wees aangesien ek die laai nog heeltemal wil uit haal en ten minste nog op die bearings kan rus.

Post by **Polarbear2008** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:59 pm

Hoekom sit jy dan nie nog 2 van daai slotte van jou, een op elke laai nie? Maar aan die agterkant, dan stop die voorste flatbar nogsteeds die slot, en as jy die armpie intrek kan jy die laai heeltemal uithaal!

Net n gedagte....

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:25 am

So het weer n bietjie kans gekry die naweek om die drawers verder klaar te maak en te verf. Sjoe dit het nogal lank gevat, maar moes dit toe doen aangesien dit begin oppervlakige roes begin kry het...

Ek het sommer n raam aan die base vir die yskas vasgesit, en die base aan die laairak. En dan ook die water tenk gepas.

Hierso is n paar foto's:

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:20 pm

Yeah! Did is klaar en moet se, dit lyk nogal grand!

Hierso is nog n paar van die blad op sit, en die mat.

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4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:24 pm

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Lekker stewig, en Aiden like dit ook!

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Nog n idee...

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Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:31 pm

Very neat,it's amazing how much space is created when putting in a deck and draw system.

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:31 am

Very nice neat work.......
Well done.....

So whats next??

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:49 am

Thanks, Well there's still lots and lots to do, from stuff I still want to change in the canopy to a roof console to rocksliders. Will see what road it leads me...

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:01 am

Lyk goed Werner

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:19 am

Lyk baai mooi