How NOT to do a recovery . . .

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Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:24 am

According to a reliable source, this is a VERY good example of how NOT to do a recovery . . . (GO 4Y!!!!)

Stress: :irate: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's desire to choke the living $H!t out of some asshole that desperately deserves it!
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:54 am

What was the reason for that, not being the right way????
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:46 am

On the Hilux the reverse gear is not as stong as 1st or 2nd so where possible better not to recover using reverse..
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:59 am

Apparently you can also damage the diff, due to the manner in which the splines are cut. There are pictures of this on the forum somewhere. But that goes for any vehicle, not just the Hilux.


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Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:53 pm

Good to know,thanks guys. :think:
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:50 pm

IMO its always better to recover going forward even though the reverse gear is normally the lowest gear, and therefore the strongest.

Firstly my only real criticism besides reversing, would be that you're jerking with a tow strap which increases the possibility of snapping the strap, shearing recovery point mounting bolts or even bending the bumper mounting brackets sideways on the recovered vehicle. There is little or no 'give' in a tow strap as opposed to a kinetic strap / rope .... the 'shock' of jerking can be more violent than you may think. With a reverse recovery like that, you don't want to obscure your vision with a raised bonnet and it would probably bounce off the stay arm anyway, (a different matter when standing still and winching). From a safety point of view, this makes the reverse recovery undesirable. (You have more protection from the back than through the front wind-shield.)

What Eric says about the diff is true, but on an SFA, even though the front drive train is not as strong as the rear, the diffs are the same (the front will be stronger if you have a Gearmax diff in the back). This means that whether you pull in reverse or forward, the diff on the leading axle will be operating in reverse .... this is not so bad since the leading axle will be the one that tends to lift and let the wheels slip easier anyway. The trailing axle is the one that will tend to dig in and work harder. The real issue IMO is that if you make the front axle the one that works harder (as in a reverse scenario), the weak points are the x-fer case and the Birfields (in that order). So the diff working in reverse is actually a moot point to my mind since the leading diff will always be running in reverse, but the weaker front drive-train is an issue. Furthermore, if you have only a rear locker, that's the axle that you want to work the hardest with the locker engaged, i.e. a forward recovery.

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Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:57 pm

Agree with Andy. I would have picked a straighter line to pull away from as you are also just fighting the extra resistance created by turning the wheels. So get it going straight then turn out the obstacle but its not always possible. Having done quite a few mud recoveries the past while one thing I can say is momentum is your friend. Thats were a kinetic rope/strap makes a world of difference. Besides, the Colt shouldn't been playing there any :twisted: way....
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:02 pm

Wat dink julle van die recovery ek dink dit is baie dom
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:07 pm

Jip. That was the two things I did wrong.

Not in reverse - It's the gear that will brake the easiest (VERY useful to know)

And recover in a straight line - I didn't because I was afraid I'd get stuck with in the mud . . .
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:01 pm

Personally I don't see too much of an issue recovering at an angle as long as the angle isn't too sharp (the manuals might tell you otherwise and yours might have been a little too sharp), because to recover in a straight line, you would have had to get into the mud track / muddy area as well ..... could result in you getting bogged down as well if not using a snatch strap. Better to be on firmer ground and get the recovered vehicle away from the mud I think .... but just remember to do it steadily and controlled, no sideway snatches.
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:14 pm

merwn wrote:Wat dink julle van die recovery ek dink dit is baie dom
http://youtu.be/xMmFCfWZUCo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dis nou waar dinge lelik kan skeef loop. That's almost a 90° recovery angle .... tremendous unnecessary stresses on vehicles, recovery points, hooks / shackles and strap. Chances of a failure are dramatically increased. Can't see if there was perhaps an obstacle straight ahead that might have made a straight line recovery difficult, but that angle could have also pulled the Hummer onto it's side.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:02 am

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Daaai is niks julle moes daai Hilux in die dal gesien het, lions rally King......spot net!!!!!Goed gedoen..net een vraag is dit beter om die voor wiel gedraai te hou of om in een spoor te beweeg :?:

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