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Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:51 am

I was wacthing an episode of Top Gear (those guys are funny) over the weekend, and they took a car that was converted to gas, and filled up one with methane from cow dung, the other from human dung, and another running on petrol , all the same car, in a quater mile drag.

Petrol first, cow poo second, human poo last :D

SO now that I gots the gas kit fitted, where can I fill it up with methane. Since methane is a byproduct of fertilizer creation from all kinds of animal poop, it should be relatively cheap? It has alot let power than LPG, but if it can get me there for say half the price, well, I'm not in a hurry
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:57 am

You wanna drive a fartlux?? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:34 am

whatever it takes to free myself from the oil dependance :mrgreen:
I would just not drive behind me though
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:38 pm

Judging by the results no one will be behind you for very long.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Gives a new meaning toe "met 'n Stink Spoed!" :mrgreen:
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CasKru wrote:Gives a new meaning toe "met 'n Stink Spoed!" :mrgreen:
And also "skuit-skuit die bult uit.."... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:21 am

Being into this gas thing I read the Methane posts with interest.
First you feed your passengers with a two bean salad. They strap on a harness "in the privacy of their own homes",as the ads say, and hook up to your gas system. Your progress would probably be erratic depending on the rate of production, and you would need a good filter system in case one of your pax got over enthusiastic.
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I wouldn't take a chance on this one, Ron, it's just too risky... Go straight for a three bean salad! :shock: :twisted: :twisted:
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:21 pm

But beware of a backfire thru the carbie... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:15 pm

Klink soos goeie idee.
Pasop net vir die verdwaalde mieliepit of turksvy pit in die carbie se jet. :oops:

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Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:46 pm

Solank die bakkie se naam nie "Spuitpoep" is nie :)
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:32 pm

Dalkill

Do you know if that Episode is going to be repeated on DSTv again please :?:

Just got DSTv and battling to understand how to look up Program Schedules :oops:

Many thanks!

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Ps... Where's the photos of your Gas Conversion Bru :?: :?:

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:04 am

Thanks for all the words of encouragement guys :mrgreen:
Doing more research on methane, and it seems the $hit is not THE $hit. :mrgreen:

It has alot of promise. Has alot of underground resources (and in space for space travel), unlike LPG does not come from oil, and can be made by your own household sewerage.
Speaking to compnay called Agama, who installed home methane digesters on farms for cooking and heating purposes, but not as fuel - I volenteered my lux for test projects which is in the pipeline.

Prob with methane is the density of the gas. Compressed in my current 90liter tank, I could prob get about 18liters of compresses methane since methane liquifies at 3000psi, and LPG only +- 160psi. Thus I would have to have 4 tanks at the back of my lux to accomodate all that gas. In EU, there are busses running on methane, with 7-9 tanks on the roof, and only getting about 300 - 400km out of it.

I think methane will be the way of the future, but only if car manufactures in South africa produce Compressed Natural Gas cars, and filling stations have the availabilty to fillup with CNG. But no-one wants to take the lead - chicken or egg scenario.

If only government will get off their fats a$$es and start implementing a couple of stations, and use all their crap their keeping feeding us to power this nation. Forget about building another nuclear bomb for electricity. Use that money to build a network of gas pipes to filling stations and homes. It's being done in EU already. Why do we have to wait 100 yrs to learn from 1st world on how to better ourselves. :evil:
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:42 am

well there goes my plans for a poop powered lux.
seems the pressure needed to store methane is too much for the LPG kit.
Ah well, it was a crap idea to start off with....
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1997 corolla 160i GLE (Feb 2007 - Sep 2009) aka Green Goblin
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We won't delete the topic but we might need to flush it! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:41 am

Got an email from the company doing research into methane energy
They just got the funding to start initial testing

Forget the batmobile, the poopmobile will be the saviour of this world. Go fartlux, GO...
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1990 hilux DC 2.2 4x4 (Jun 2008 - Jul 2011) aka Buraaq II
1997 corolla 160i GLE (Feb 2007 - Sep 2009) aka Green Goblin
1990 GLI twincam (still my fav rolla) (Oct 2005 - Mar 2007) aka Wit Blitz
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:00 pm

Shaakir,

was just having a discussion with my par in the UK and he was telling me that the Diary and Beef herd farmer's are under major pressure from the environmentalists, as cows wind is PURE METHANE and thus is having a detrimental effect to the environment. :shock: :shock:

Have you considered getting a couple of old heffers and rigging them up to a Heath Robinson Gas Collector :?: :?: :idea: :?:

Figure your Mar's old Electrolux, a few PnP bags and a one-way valve thingy should do the trick - but hey, ask Ron (Irishman) his creation on Enola Gay takes the biscuit in my books :D

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Dadz Toy wrote:was just having a discussion with my par in the UK and he was telling me that the Diary and Beef herd farmer's are under major pressure from the environmentalists, as cows wind is PURE METHANE and thus is having a detrimental effect to the environment. :shock: :shock:
Even more reason to eat red meat! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:16 am

problem messing around with a cow's backside is you stepping a bull territory. Would not want an angry bull charging me down cause I be messing with his honey's :mrgreen:

But then again, bulls are afraid of hiluxes :mrgreen:
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I have decided to start the Hilux4x4's own methane plant. Will be feeding it with all the strooi you guys talk here :shock: :shock:

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BenHur wrote:I have decided to start the Hilux4x4's own methane plant. Will be feeding it with all the strooi you guys talk here :shock: :shock:
Will SOMEONE pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaase

OPEN A WINDOW in here :?: :?: :?:

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Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:14 am

how about methanol then.
it is selling at about R4.50 per liter.
this is what the racing okes were using?? I read they moved over to ethanol, because ethanol has more energy.
Yes I will be making my own wit blits. Imagine that, my lux is already all over the road. Imagine if it is powered by wit blits. I be locked up for sure
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:56 pm

I have spoken to a guy running it in his stock car (oval track racers) some time ago, cant remember all the ins and outs but what I can remember is that he mentioned that you need bigger jets in a carb or a different map if you are running it in a fuel injection system. Also there are water in the mixture so you need to do rust proof your tank and fuel system and you need to switch over to normal petrol again before stopping the engine to let the water burn out. So I am not sure if it is really a good option on a daily runner.

What he did mention at the time was that it was cheaper than petrol and that if he ordered 200 (or maybe 300 :?_ litres at a time they delivered it to his shop free of charge in 50L containers.

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