Hilux 4x4 Forum

iHilux wrote:

Tristan wrote: Well if there is no 4x4 trails there I don't see the point of driving there in the Hilux :| I will still attend even if there is no 4x4 but in my Corolla...at least its still a Toyota Maybe there is a tourist centre or something there that we can call.

4x4ing is a passion that has has brought this forum together, and so too, has been the instigating factor in organising a national GTG. Although I'd love to meet all you guys, I'd prefer to do this on "our own ground" 4x4ing........

Yes, one would save on fuel costs, traveling in a car, but what would we talk about?

The passion that has built this forum, is the same catalyst needed for a great weekend. I just don't think it would be the same, let alone worth while for most, to foot the fuel bill, without 4x4ing and getting to some of the splendid "far out" place our country has to offer. That is after all why we've invested in our 4x4's. Not?

The object of a GTG, is to share in our passion, share in our experiences, invest in a hard days 4x4ing, coming back to a campfire and reminiscing on great day of fun with a couple of cold frosties, and then tackling the long pull home, slightly depressed that such a great weekend has come to and end, but with renewed energy, and a longing for the time to pass..... and the next outing into the great outdoors.

Wade for president..... :)

If the guys want to have the GTG in Cape Town I will be happy to drive their as long as they can promise a nice 4x4ing experience :)

The reality is that CT and JHB are on the two extremes of the scale, so somewhere in the middle is going to affect you guys the most.

If this GTG is to become a reality the following needs to happen.

1) Date - which we have - Easter next year.
2) Venue - central, which appears to be in the middle of no where.
3) People - and this I believe we need to decidied on next.

The reality is that for the national GTG to happen, YOU need to be:

1) Available over Easter next year.
2) Be willing to travel between 600 - 800km, but due to the possibility of the venue not being totally central, this may even extent to the 1000km mark.

So before we decided on a venue, I suggest we identify those who meet the criteria above, and then let these guys decided on a venue. It's pointless us all commenting on a venue, when A is only prepared to travel 200km, but has the biggest say.

My proposal is that we start a list of those who meet 1) & 2) above, and then start a thread about a venue, with only comments from those who are acually going to attend the GTG.

Should I start?

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids

Thanks Wade.

O.K guys, lets get serious about this.

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie

Agree 8)

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT

Kaspaas wrote:I looked around for 4x4 trails in the vicinity of the Vanderkloof dam. The only one my internet gives me is this:

Kimberley / Hopetown Region
Egerton Trail Travel vast open plains and absorb the unique rugged beauty of the Northern Cape by exploring 50km of sand, rocky hills and dongas.

Address: :arrow: PO Box 10396, Beaconsfield, 8315
Contact: :arrow: Peter and Linda Roux
Tel: :arrow: (053) 831 2659
Fax: :arrow: (053) 831 6158
Nearest Town: :arrow: Hopetown
Trail: :arrow: 50km (1 day)

Niel please use your free minutes to extort some information about the trail from these guys??

This trail is not open anymore. Wanted to do it a few months back, and also phoned now just to confirm - It is closed.

So Kimberley is out, it seems

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad

6. Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria

7 Knersus. - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie.

Ons moet tog nie die ding vir ons self so difficult maak nie. Kom ons maak dit nou 'n lekker poging en lekker saam Hilux gees. Die petrol pryse maak ons almal klaar maar oor 10 jaar van nou praat ons van die dae toe petrol so goedkoop was So knyp maar daai spaarvark so bietjie vas en kom ons ry na die event waar dit ookal is. Daar is genoeg tyd om te spaar tot Easter 2009 vir die petrol.

Simon I surely hope your prediction is in the near future to get oil back to a reasonable price. But at this stage the world has to pay for the WAR of the Yanks isn't it.

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
8.)Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
8) Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town
9) CasKru - Cassie, Linda and kiddie - Straight out of Benoni

Can we have to different threads one for venue and one for attendance

Hey Tristan

Are we going, I will leave the wife at home.

Andries-Grizelda and 2 kids

Ek gooi net 'n klip in die bos!
Wat van Rhodes, meer spesifiek "Tiffendale", die ski-oord. Ek dink dis taamlik sentraal in SA.
Daar is baie 4x4 roetes in die omgewing en kamp plek/blyplek is nie 'n probleem nie.

SYRON CONVERSIONS wrote:Hey Tristan

Are we going, I will leave the wife at home.

Yes we must definitely go If we leave your wife at home do you think she will still make us padkos

Andries wrote:Ek gooi net 'n klip in die bos!
Wat van Rhodes, meer spesifiek "Tiffendale", die ski-oord. Ek dink dis taamlik sentraal in SA.
Daar is baie 4x4 roetes in die omgewing en kamp plek/blyplek is nie 'n probleem nie.

Andries I actually think that is a very good idea :arrow: plenty 4x4 and its central between CT and JHB.
For any of the guys who enjoy fishing there is also plenty of wild trout in the streams in that area.
I have never been up there myself but have heard plenty great things about the place.

Does anybody know were we could get a decent SA map online that we could post on this thread to Illustrate were these places are
For the people who are worried about traveling distance find the half way mark on the N1 between JHB and CT I would guess its somewhere near Colesburg. Now draw a circle + - 200km in every direction (Not literally) and have a look to see what falls inside, maybe then we can narrow down the options a bit and get closer to a decision

Knersus - Watse ding is 'n Swambo? Ek sal darem baie upset wees as my liefie my 'n Swambo noem!!!! Ek Bestuur daai 4x4 nes enige ander ou en ek's nie bang vir 'n uitdaging nie. Ek sien baie uit na die Paas naweek, ek hoop dit realiseer. O ja ek is Okkie se liefie, Celéste

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
8) Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town
9) CasKru - Cassie, Linda and kiddie - Straight out of Benoni[/quote]
10) Andries-Grizelda and 2 kids - Dordrecht

Tristan wrote:For the people who are worried about traveling distance find the half way mark on the N1 between JHB and CT I would guess its somewhere near Colesburg. Now draw a circle + - 200km in every direction (Not literally) and have a look to see what falls inside, maybe then we can narrow down the options a bit and get closer to a decision

Tristan......

at this stage you don't have a say.......your name's not on the list

Can I add it?

Legend35-Johan,Deirdre and Chante-suspetion city

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
8) Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town
9) CasKru - Cassie, Linda and kiddie - Straight out of Benoni
10) Andries-Grizelda and 2 kids - Dordrecht
11) Legend35-Johan,Deirdre and Chante-suspetion city
12) Uncle Simon & Uncle Tristan Queenstown & East London real 4x4

Okkie Van Wyk wrote:Knersus - Watse ding is 'n Swambo? Ek sal darem baie upset wees as my liefie my 'n Swambo noem!!!! Ek Bestuur daai 4x4 nes enige ander ou en ek's nie bang vir 'n uitdaging nie. Ek sien baie uit na die Paas naweek, ek hoop dit realiseer. O ja ek is Okkie se liefie, Celéste

Celeste SWAMBO beteken She Who Always Must Be Obeyed. Ek verseker jou die paasnaweek GTG sal gebeur. :D

iHilux wrote:Tristan......

at this stage you don't have a say.......your name's not on the list

Can I add it?

Yea!! I know but I knew Simon would put my name down as soon as I confirmed I will be going with him

The following link will give you a map of RSA, with the suggested venues.

http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full ... 1709491936

Here's a little homework I've done around the venues and distances. Unfortunatley for the CPT guys, it looks like you guys are in for min of 1100km, unless there are more suggested venues :? :? :?

CapeTown to Ferndale 1105 km
CapeTown to Korannaberg 1110 km
CapeTown to Rhodes 1168 km
CapeTown to Witsand 1041 km

EastLondon to Ferndale 117 km
EastLondon to Korannaberg 589 km
EastLondon to Rhodes 357 km
EastLondon to Witsand 875 km

Pretoria to Ferndale 907 km
Pretoria to Korannaberg 403 km
Pretoria to Rhodes 821 km
Pretoria to Witsand 730 km

Upington to Ferndale 870 km
Upington to Korannaberg 674 km
Upington to Rhodes 953 km
Upington to Witsand 193 km

Durban to Ferndale 692 km
Durban to Korannaberg 580 km
Durban to Rhodes 501 km
Durban to Witsand 1065 km

Okkie Van Wyk wrote:Knersus - Watse ding is 'n Swambo? Ek sal darem baie upset wees as my liefie my 'n Swambo noem!!!! Ek Bestuur daai 4x4 nes enige ander ou en ek's nie bang vir 'n uitdaging nie. Ek sien baie uit na die Paas naweek, ek hoop dit realiseer. O ja ek is Okkie se liefie, Celéste

Celeste, SWAMBO staan vir She Who Always Must Be Obeyed ... sien..dit tel in jou guns :)

She Who Always Must Be Obayed - SWAMBO Om te se ek bring my Russiese Vegpitbull Terrier saam gaan nie werk nie

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town
9) CasKru - Cassie, Linda and kiddie - Straight out of Benoni
10) Andries-Grizelda and 2 kids - Dordrecht
11) Legend35-Johan,Deirdre and Chante-suspetion city
12) Uncle Simon & Uncle Tristan Queenstown & East London real 4x4
13) Mossie - Dewan en Joni - Kaapstad

iHilux wrote:The following link will give you a map of RSA, with the suggested venues.

http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full ... 1709491936

Here's a little homework I've done around the venues and distances. Unfortunatley for the CPT guys, it looks like you guys are in for min of 1100km, unless there are more suggested venues :? :? :?

CapeTown to Ferndale 1105 km
CapeTown to Korannaberg 1110 km
CapeTown to Rhodes 1168 km
CapeTown to Witsand 1041 km

EastLondon to Ferndale 117 km
EastLondon to Korannaberg 589 km
EastLondon to Rhodes 357 km
EastLondon to Witsand 875 km

Pretoria to Ferndale 907 km
Pretoria to Korannaberg 403 km
Pretoria to Rhodes 821 km
Pretoria to Witsand 730 km

Upington to Ferndale 870 km
Upington to Korannaberg 674 km
Upington to Rhodes 953 km
Upington to Witsand 193 km

Durban to Ferndale 692 km
Durban to Korannaberg 580 km
Durban to Rhodes 501 km
Durban to Witsand 1065 km

This is very helpful although I think Im the only member in East London (sort of I actually live in Kidds Beach 8) ) As far as the EC guys are concerned majority are from PE so roughly 300km can be added to all EL distances.
Is there any chance you can repost with distances from PE instead of EL
Thanks again for the info, great job :D

Oh!! yes and what about Bloem for the Freestate okies

Oh I do not have to worry, because we are all coming to Queenstown!!!

1) iHilux - Wade, Celeste and 2 kids - Bloemfontein
2) ToyX4 - Riaan, Yolandi, 1 kiddie - Northwest
3) SuidWes - Jaco and Natasha - CPT
4) Okkie - Celeste en 2 Kids - Middelburg
5) Kaspaas - T & E - Kaapstad
6) Johanm - Johan & Partner - Pretoria
7) Knersus - Eben met sy eie Swambo en een laaitie - Upington
Niel - Janine and 2 kids (1 lekker stout) - Cape Town
9) CasKru - Cassie, Linda and kiddie - Straight out of Benoni
10) Andries-Grizelda and 2 kids - Dordrecht
11) Legend35-Johan,Deirdre and Chante-suspetion city
12) Uncle Simon & Uncle Tristan Queenstown & East London real 4x4
13) Mossie - Dewan en Joni - Kaapstad
14.) Scorpion - Johann, Nicole, 1 kid, 3 Labradors, 3 Boerbulls, and 2 Cats

I have a serious suggestion guys, take note, say for example at the end of July, would somebody then add all these names up into the different areas, thus say for example there are more people from Cape Town, than the rest of the place working in a percentage way, then the region that has the most people, let them have this event closer to them instead, then the next time we will see again.

Or is this a crap idea?

I have written this letter to Sasol awaiting their reply.

Hello, I am contacting you, to give Sasol South Africa the benefit to be part of this event that we are busy organizing, it will be held next year over The Easter Weekend, by people who own Toyota Hilux 4x4 vehicle's, we are part of a web site chat forum, known as http://www.hilux4x4.co.za this web site is owned by a person down Cape Town way, have a look at this web site and you will see what it is all about, now because we want to have a National Hilux 4x4 event, people do not all live in the same area and thus we are busy looking for a central point to hold this event, but due to our 4x4 vehicle's been heavy of fuel, the cost of the fuel will make it very expensive for most of the people and thus I have a suggestion that with your input of say sponsoring each registered member who is taking part in this event with a full tank of either diesel or petrol, it would make things so much easier for all of us, I have been advertizing Sasol on my 1992 Toyota Hilux 4x4 bakkie for a few years now with signs that were sent to me from Sasol as well as a shirt and cap, however with a National event like this, you would bge the main sponsor and will benefit from it a lot, please give this idea some thought and let me know, if you send me an email, I will be able to send you some pic's mof my highlt modified Toyota Hilux bakkie, I have spent more than R70 000. on it with the mods,
Thankyou

Tristan wrote: As far as the EC guys are concerned majority are from PE so roughly 300km can be added to all EL distances.

Is there any chance you can repost with distances from PE instead of EL

No.

There are currently no members from PE on the list, so it why include the distances?

Oh!! yes and what about Bloem for the Freestate okies

Nah, we're max 700km roughly from anywhere.....

The map and distance log is really only a guide line to help the guys decided if they're in or not. Once we have finalized the list of guys attending, then we can look more closely at the venue.

What I suggest is that we give the list a couple more days, and when switch to a new thread regarding finalizing a venue. What I'll then do, is repeat the exercise with updated distances, number of vehicles come from the different areas, updated venue suggestions if any, and then list a poll to determine the 1st choice and 2nd choice venues.

Niel, you being the initiator and custodian of this thread, I trust this is in order?

I think you might of frightened the CT chaps when they had a look at the distances to the current suggested venues but then again I haven't seen any suggestions for places closer to CT :?
Ive heard about good trails near Oudtsoorn so how about we throw that into the mix of venues
I think Simon has the right idea to see were majority of people will be traveling from and making that one of the main points in deciding a venue

Oudtshoorn's got alot of nice trails but it is a bit far fot the JHB guys....

Rooirivier 4x4 would be perfect. Enough camping space for 20 to 25 vehicles, nice trail and play area. Best of all is the cost - R30.00 per person(net vir jou varkie) per night!

Some Pics

Brilliant idea Jaco, it is downhill from JHB to Ou-Horing anyway...

wat is die serson - verstaan nie lekka nie

SuidWes wrote:Oudtshoorn's got alot of nice trails but it is a bit far fot the JHB guys....

Rooirivier 4x4 would be perfect. Enough camping space for 20 to 25 vehicles, nice trail and play area. Best of all is the cost - R30.00 per serson per night!

Some Pics

SuidWes wrote:Oudtshoorn's got alot of nice trails but it is a bit far fot the JHB guys....

Rooirivier 4x4 would be perfect. Enough camping space for 20 to 25 vehicles, nice trail and play area. Best of all is the cost - R30.00 per person(net vir jou varkie) per night!

Some Pics

Please show us this place on a map of SA.

Simon, it is downhill for you too...

Red Arrow = Rooirivier 4x4 but as I said it's a bit far for the JHB guys. What is nice about it is that you could plan a nice holiday either before or after the GTG...

Ya!! it looks a bit far for the JHB okes but dont worry they live on top of gold mines so they have plenty money
Jokes aside the venue looks great :!: always nice to see some pics

Bojaankop is also close to Oudtshoorn, nice big camp, good trail and some self catering units as well.....

See pics

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Simon, your last suggestion sounds like a very good one. I will start cosolidating this fred over the weekend but thanks to all that contributed to date. :D

This last suggestion by Simon is definitely the most central and been just of the N1 it should be a pretty easy drive for most people 8)
The rates are really good to :D Its quite rare to find a place that still has rates suitable for South Africans most places all target the overseas tourists :x
I did notice that the prices given here are out of season prices so Easter weekend will cost a bit more.

At least if the guys who drive these soft roader type vehicle's will be able to make it along the gravel road to the farm, even iHilux in his new cruiser

Simon is there 4x4 activities around the suggested place? The place looks nice.

I have read your signature and I think we should be giving you a new nickname---Boertjie 8) :D What do you think

I vote for this Safaripark suggestion. Anything that is not further than 800 km where I can pitch my tent for a reasonable amount is fine with me. 8)

I did phone them, however the owner is away for the next two weeks, his reseptionest (sp) was not very helpful, will get the owner to phone me when he is back, will find out about ratings for the 4x4 trails and if there is any play area as well, you myust remember that the venue has to be suitable for all person's and their vehicle's, these newer Hilux's cannot follow the older ones, we will not even go down the landy and datsun road.

Also vote for Safari Park,then i can leave the COLT at home,and come with the platkar

Jy fit mos nie in die platkar nie Johan :roll: