Worst angle you have ever been without rolling over...

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:51 pm

I want to find out what is the worst angle people do with a Hilux without landing on the roof or the people that disregarded limits and had a view of the world upside down... ?

I drive a raised suspension, 33” tyres and raised body IFS. My maximum tilt I have done sideways is 47 degrees measured by a digital protractor. Super careful still very scary

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The picture doesn’t do it justice.

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The big question is... What's the limit... ?

AM Racing · Post by **AM Racing** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:19 pm

Thats also been on my mind.... I didnt think to use my digital one on my phone. I will go try. Are there any panel beater sponsors???

...the pictures do never show the full extent of the soiled seat covers....

Post by **JohanM** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:06 pm

The Hilux has a roll over angle of 42 degrees. That is one of the few vehicles that does have such a high side slope degree rating.

I think a LR can only go up to 30 Degrees before they become unstable.

Most manufacturers don't specify it these days anymore.

I really doubt if you will be still able to drive on a 47 degree side slope as it is over a 100% gradient. Trying sideways will result in a roll, so I doubt if it can be done a standard Vehicle.

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:13 pm

En as dit nie vir die rocksliders was nie.... :wth: :wth:

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:21 pm

The higher you lift the vehicle, via body, supsension lifts & bigger tyres... the higher the centre of gravity... the lower the roll over angle will be... same with weight distribution, canopies and roof top tents will mean a lower roll over angle...

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:27 pm

Roll over angles are influenced by many factors, like suspension upgrades, the way the vehicle is loaded, the type of terrain we are driving on etc etc. Some manufacturers claim serious angles, but we shouldnt take them as gospel. Nissan claims the Navara has a ridiculous roll-over angle of almost 50 degrees, but I wont want to find out if it can actually do that. (I dont want a Navara anyway

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My personal opinion on this is, as soon as your internal roll-over sensor kicks in you are close to the limit anyway.. Be that at 20 or 40 degrees. Once you get tensed up like that you tend to make stupid mistakes..

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:35 pm

The Navara roll over angle is excellent... it being so low to the ground!

FUDGES · Post by **FUDGES** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:57 pm

CasKru wrote:
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En as dit nie vir die rocksliders was nie.... :wth: :wth:

My bakkie sou nie eers seats gehad het nie

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:23 pm

ThysdJ wrote:..... Once you get tensed up like that you tend to make stupid mistakes..

Amen to that brother

DustyDre · Post by **DustyDre** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:05 pm

SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:16 pm

DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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As ek moet raai is jou max angle probably nou so 3°

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:24 pm

DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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Do you have any pictures of the mountain... ?

DustyDre · Post by **DustyDre** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:41 pm

CasKru wrote:
DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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As ek moet raai is jou max angle probably nou so 3°

3 grade te veel ja.........

haha

DustyDre · Post by **DustyDre** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:12 pm

peetvdw wrote:
DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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Do you have any pictures of the mountain... ?

Only picture I have , was taken by the medics in the chopper

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:31 pm

DustyDre wrote:
peetvdw wrote:
DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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Do you have any pictures of the mountain... ?
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Only picture I have , was taken by the medics in the chopper

G wizzzz....

Wat het fout gegaan, as jy met ons wil deel...

DustyDre · Post by **DustyDre** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:52 pm

peetvdw wrote:
DustyDre wrote:
peetvdw wrote:
DustyDre wrote:SORRY GUYS, I AM NOT ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE TIME BEING.....HAHA
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Do you have any pictures of the mountain... ?
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Only picture I have , was taken by the medics in the chopper
G wizzzz....

Wat het fout gegaan, as jy met ons wil deel...

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OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:05 pm

How's this one?

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:37 pm

Nice one Mark, but bear in mind that these competition guys often "cheat" by filling water into the tyres ..... brings the COG down dramatically.

Post by **Mammabeer** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:19 pm

Die ou sit nie water in sy tyres nie..... :)

Nie een van ons kompetisie ouens doen dit nie???? (sover ek weet)

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:49 pm

Dis 'n ou 'trick' en ek weet dat dit wel gedoen word en dat dit ook in baie gevalle toelaatbaar is. Dit wil nou nie sê dat almal wat kompetiesie ry dan so maak nie.

Die punt wat ek probeer maak is dat iemand wat sulke pics sien net nie automaties moet dink dat hy met sy 'daily runner' of 'weekend trail' voertuig dan dieselfde angles kan gaan beet pak nie. Elke voertuig verskil in sy 'side slope' vermöe afhangend wat aan hom gedoen is. Elkeen moet eerder sy eie voertuig leer ken.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:54 am

Andy mag ek dan die ooglopende uitlig?

So n kompetisie voertuig het ekstra veiligheids toestelle, soos roll cage en beter gordels ....

Dit is een ding om n trail te ry met n "pad voertuig", veral n trail wat gereeld deur ander pad voertuie gery word. Maar wanneer die gogga byt om te SPEEL, maak asseblief eers seker dat die veiligheids items in plek is ....

net voor iemand die post buite konteks lees: Andre se ongeluk was n tragiese ONGELUK. My opmerking is gemik op die manne wat pad voertuie vat en die kompetisie obstacles aanpak .....

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:31 am

Ook waar!

Post by **Mammabeer** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:41 am

Mud Dog wrote:Dis 'n ou 'trick' en ek weet dat dit wel gedoen word en dat dit ook in baie gevalle toelaatbaar is. Dit wil nou nie sê dat almal wat kompetiesie ry dan so maak nie.

Die punt wat ek probeer maak is dat iemand wat sulke pics sien net nie automaties moet dink dat hy met sy 'daily runner' of 'weekend trail' voertuig dan dieselfde angles kan gaan beet pak nie. Elke voertuig verskil in sy 'side slope' vermöe afhangend wat aan hom gedoen is. Elkeen moet eerder sy eie voertuig leer ken.

Ook waar!

Daai foto van Mr Owen moet kom met a clause-do not try this at home....
drie van ons het daai dag probeer- een het omgeval....

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:48 am

Mammabeer wrote:
Mud Dog wrote:Dis 'n ou 'trick' en ek weet dat dit wel gedoen word en dat dit ook in baie gevalle toelaatbaar is. Dit wil nou nie sê dat almal wat kompetiesie ry dan so maak nie.

Die punt wat ek probeer maak is dat iemand wat sulke pics sien net nie automaties moet dink dat hy met sy 'daily runner' of 'weekend trail' voertuig dan dieselfde angles kan gaan beet pak nie. Elke voertuig verskil in sy 'side slope' vermöe afhangend wat aan hom gedoen is. Elkeen moet eerder sy eie voertuig leer ken.
Ook waar!

Daai foto van Mr Owen moet kom met a clause-do not try this at home....
drie van ons het daai dag probeer- een het omgeval....

Maar daai maak darem maar vir mooi fodies

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:05 am

If it was not for the fact that my back diff lock was on and when it happened

I gassed it so the back end came out and saved the day.

OOOOMS I think you were there when it happened

Gives new meaning to the saying 'When in doubt, Gas It! It may not solve the problem, but it WILL end the suspense!'

Post by **Mammabeer** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:07 am

JIp..... ek moet nog die een van ons by Mark hulle kry...... dit maak great pics......

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:20 am

Pype wrote:If it was not for the fact that my back diff lock was on and when it happened I gassed it so the back end came out and saved the day.

OOOOMS I think you were there when it happened

Gives new meaning to the saying 'When in doubt, Gas It! It may not solve the problem, but it WILL end the suspense!'

Yip Andre, Iwas there and saw it.....and nearly sjeeeeted in my rods......

Mammabeer wrote:JIp..... ek moet nog die een van ons by Mark hulle kry...... dit maak great pics......

Now, which one would that be?

KPC · Post by **KPC** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:32 am

Those angles look awesome. I won't be trying that yet.

Post by **Mammabeer** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:41 am

OOOOMS wrote:
Pype wrote:If it was not for the fact that my back diff lock was on and when it happened I gassed it so the back end came out and saved the day.

OOOOMS I think you were there when it happened

Gives new meaning to the saying 'When in doubt, Gas It! It may not solve the problem, but it WILL end the suspense!'
Yip Andre, Iwas there and saw it.....and nearly sjeeeeted in my rods......
Mammabeer wrote:JIp..... ek moet nog die een van ons by Mark hulle kry...... dit maak great pics......
Now, which one would that be?

Mark Owen....eienaar van die voertuig.....sy neef het fotograaf gespeel en pics van ons almal geneem....

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:44 am

AH...ekke dog nou iemand skinner van my......

African Child · Post by **African Child** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:34 pm

En hiers my slegste oomblik

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:44 pm

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:35 pm

Awesome pic Leon, I remember when you first posted that. Was the vehicle not already past the COG but the sand bank on the outer side of the hole keeping the vehicle from toppling over?

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:06 pm

Who knows somebody in the Gauteng area that build external rollgages? Thinking of designing a removable one.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:45 pm

peetvdw wrote:Who knows somebody in the Gauteng area that build external rollgages? Thinking of designing a removable one.

You could speak to Richard (Tokkolos1) or PM him here: ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose&u=2789" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **Mammabeer** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:14 pm

You could also contact Throttleboy (search for him on the forum) or PM me and I will send you his number....

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:43 pm

Thanks for the info will contact them.

African Child · Post by **African Child** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:25 am

Net soos jy da se ou swaar... Dit was maar net daai grondwalletjie teen die onderkant van die bakwerk en GENADE van bo wat my daai dag gered het.

witmamba · Post by **witmamba** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:02 am

Mud Dog wrote:Nice one Mark, but bear in mind that these competition guys often "cheat" by filling water into the tyres ..... brings the COG down dramatically.

I can assure you there is absolutely no water in those tyres. All their stunts are legit and performed by criminally insane individuals who enjoy every minute of it.

witmamba · Post by **witmamba** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:07 am

Hemel Leon, jy't seker 'n lekker vet briekmerk gelos? - ek sou!

Post by **CasKru** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:32 am

witmamba wrote:Hemel Leon, jy't seker 'n lekker vet briekmerk gelos? - ek sou!

Ek dink jy was selfs te bang om dit te doen want net nou versteur dit die ewewig van die situasie...

en buitendien dink ek nie hy kon 'n briekmerk los nie want daai o-ring van hom het so vas gesuig / gebyt aan die sitplek dat hy nie kan afgly nie

witmamba · Post by **witmamba** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:49 am

dit verduidelik die gat in die seat!

African Child · Post by **African Child** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:21 am

Geees ouens, toe die bakkie se voorwiel wegsak in die gat gly ek vorentoe en trap vas in die hoek op die petrol pedaal terwyl die bakkie in eerste rat is. Met my boude halfpad op die sitplek en halfpad op die deur se armlening, slaat daai V6 rev limmiter terwyl die een agterwiel teen n helse spoed in die ronte tol! Gelukkig was ek in tweewieltrek anders het daai bakkie beslis op sy kant gele.

Nou kyk julle grap maar ek wou regtig nie n mm beweeg nie want die bakkie het heen n weer gewieg soos hy daar gestaan het en al wat ek kon sien is daai prentjie van die movies waar die ou so op die kant van die berg die vroumens probeer red uit die kar wat enige oomblik die berg wil afrol. Nou sit ek daar en die ander bakkies al n end weg want ek was agter in die konfooi. Ek moet by die radio uitkom vir hulp te roep maar sodra ek daai kant toe le dan kantel die bakkie weer! Kry toe darem later die radio in die hande.

Nou al troos aan my ego na die gedoente was dat nadat hulle die bakkie vas gemaak het en effens oorgetrek het met die hand het ek self uitgery sonder om uitgetou te word. Tog het niemand dit regtig onthou nie aangesien ek die " O BLIKSEM " helder oranke t hemp gewen het vir die ou wat sy naam die meeste boude gemaak het op die trip.

Hilux01 · Post by **Hilux01** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:15 pm

Leon

Wow, dont know if I can beat that, here s a friend at De Wildt with his 60 Series, first time off road, needed some calming after this

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:04 pm

This one I did not like very much

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:38 pm

Looks like FUN!!!

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:28 pm

Bietjie Groenkloof 4x4 roete uitgetoets.

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legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:34 pm

Net wat ons wil sien

Nou sien ons uit na die naweek

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:34 pm

Peet ek het laas by Two Oceans afgekom, dan moet mens op een kol SKERP links draai ! Die pad was so bietjie weg gespoel .... toe daai agterwiel oplig het my vrou DADELIK van haar laat hoor ....

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:41 am

ChrisF wrote:Peet ek het laas by Two Oceans afgekom, dan moet mens op een kol SKERP links draai ! Die pad was so bietjie weg gespoel .... toe daai agterwiel oplig het my vrou DADELIK van haar laat hoor ....

en dit was seker nie in die lyn van "mooi liefie" nie...

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:30 pm

nou HOE raai jy so goed .... :)

Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:09 pm

Manne,

Ek het n manier om dit te toets

Hier is so paar phodies om te illustreer, wat ons sommer net "Die tippers" noem.
Vragmotors,trekkers met waens kom vol druiwe (tussen 5 en 10ton en word in 5 sekondes afgelaai. Na die seisoen sal ek my bakkie vat, en vasmaak met kettings, en kyk tot waar hy gaan voor hy wil tiep.

Vol wa.

Leë wa.

Van bo.

Vragmotor

Afgelaai.

As ek moet raai is dit bitter naby aan 45 grade en alhoewel ons kettings aansit net vir ingeval, het daar nog nie een van daai vragmotors of waens,(wat by vere meer top heavy is as n hilux) om getiep nie. Mens kan die spanning sien in die ketting.

By dit gesê, het ek al my Hilux gerol teen 5km/h, en my Tata teen 70km/h op Elsenburg se rugbyveld. :wth:

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:31 pm

Dit is nou vir jou 'n blink plan. Ons sien uit na die fotos! :)

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:44 pm

If you really want to check, you can do the same thing using a forklift, but it better be a big one if you're going to use it as the 'anchor'.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:38 am

Hierdie was so 'n bietjie van 'n "bruin onderbroek" oomblikkie...

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:55 am

Gepraat van bruin onderbroek oomblik... hierdie was net voor myne...

Dit is die 43° klip daar by Moegatle. Nou die fodie is geneem oppad op... daai is niks... toe loop die carb mos leeg en moet ons terug af en toe ons by daai punt kom toe lig die linker voorwiel tweekeer so hoog op.....

:wth:

Hilux01 · Post by **Hilux01** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:02 am

Eish Cassie

Sal mos dat n man se hart gaan staan as die carb dit doen

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:07 am

Hilux01 wrote:Eish Cassie

Sal mos dat n man se hart gaan staan as die carb dit doen

En daai is nou hoekom ek fuel injection het :) Moet se ek was heel rustig met alles en die af... tot daai wiel so gelug het

SYRON CONVERSIONS · Post by **SYRON CONVERSIONS** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:14 am

At this point the vehicle must have been on the verge of exceeding the COG.

From here it went pear-shaped ....... The right front starts to lift .....

.... thus I am in the anal pudding! (In more ways than one!)

AAAAAAAAARRRRR ......

..... RRRRRRRRRRGH !!!!

EISH! ..... Getting out of the badly soiled cab .....

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:56 pm

Ek was hierdie naweek week 32 grade by Hennops, sal die fotos nog kry. Dit is nogsteeds nie 'n gevoel waarin ek gewoond kan raak nie. Weet nie hoe ek gaan voel as my bakkie is sy kant gaan le nie. EISH!