Dakar 2015

Harold · Post by **Harold** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:52 am

Nasser al-Attiyah, 9 times winner and 3rd in last year’s Dakar, [Giniel de Villiers was 4th], has now switched to a Toyota and driving for a Belgium team.
He says he wants to be the first winner for Toyota.

This is going to be an interesting contest, hope Giniel wins - he deserves to win the laurel for Toyota!

Hope we get better TV coverage this year.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:43 pm

The TV coverage last year was pathetic! 15 minutes interviews, 10 minutes adverts, less than 5 minutes driving. Not the way ot used to be.

-F_D

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:54 am

Dakaaaaar!!!! Wooohooo!!!!

Giniel is currently 3rd, 50 seconds behind the leader at end of stage 1.

Leeroy is 14th, 4 mins behind

Roma is last, 7.5 hours behind...

Nasser al-Attiyah is driving for Mini, not Toyota....

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:12 am

Family_Dog wrote:The TV coverage last year was pathetic! 15 minutes interviews, 10 minutes adverts, less than 5 minutes driving. Not the way ot used to be.

-F_D

SADLY, exactly like it was last year .....

adds pay the broadcast ..... not going to get any better.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:15 am

Die$eL wrote:Dakaaaaar!!!! Wooohooo!!!!

Giniel is currently 3rd, 50 seconds behind the leader at end of stage 1.

Leeroy is 14th, 4 mins behind

Roma is last, 7.5 hours behind...

Nasser al-Attiyah is driving for Mini, not Toyota....

Let's hope the power steering dont act up again ....

WHAT was Roma fighting about at the end ?

Nassar only drove the Mini for the first time a few days before the event ... wonder what the politics behind that story is .... End of stage one and he now wants to start moaning about the suspension not matching his driving style ....

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:34 am

I havent seen the video broadcast yet. I've just seen the results on the dakar website.

You guys making me apprehensive now. Cant wait to get home and watch the video footage

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:44 am

Die$eL wrote:I havent seen the video broadcast yet. I've just seen the results on the dakar website.

You guys making me apprehensive now. Cant wait to get home and watch the video footage

same formula as last year, no better, thankfully no worse.

ôita · Post by **ôita** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:32 am

Last year I had to wait and stay up late to see the days results.....Luckelly this year I can record and watch when I want...

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:20 pm

After last night Geniel is in third place as Nasser Al-Attiyah was penalised with 2 minutes due to speeding between stages.

Handed a two minute penalty during the evening for speeding, Nasser Al-Attiyah has seen his victory on the first special stage of the Dakar slip between his fingers as well as the first place in the general standings. The Mini driver drops to seventh place in the provisional standings, leaving Orlando Terranova to lead the rally.

some footage:

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Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:11 pm

ChrisF wrote:
Die$eL wrote:Dakaaaaar!!!! Wooohooo!!!!

Giniel is currently 3rd, 50 seconds behind the leader at end of stage 1.

Leeroy is 14th, 4 mins behind

Roma is last, 7.5 hours behind...

Nasser al-Attiyah is driving for Mini, not Toyota....
Let's hope the power steering dont act up again ....

WHAT was Roma fighting about at the end ?

Nassar only drove the Mini for the first time a few days before the event ... wonder what the politics behind that story is .... End of stage one and he now wants to start moaning about the suspension not matching his driving style ....

The coverage that they showed lastnite was the first day of last year's event (2014)

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:15 pm

correction - confirmed they showed the 2014 stage.

Now it makes sense why De Villiers only lost 50 seconds, while they showed him parked for 15 minutes ....

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:20 pm

The coverage that they showed lastnite was the first day of last year's event (2014)

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earlier in the day yes.

at 22:30 they had a segment of day one of 2015 - with LOTS of cutbacks to 2014 .... could actually have made a good 90 minute show linking the progress and where drivers moved to etc ....[/quote]

Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it was all 2014 coverage and I specifically stayed up to watch the 22h30 coverage. They didn't even show the new Peugeot's lastnite.

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:48 pm

OF the three front runners... Geniel has posted the fastest time through WP1 on Stage 2

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:48 pm

WP2 and Poulter is 1 sec quicker than Al-Attiyah

Gineil is 4th 47 sec down on Poulter.

Post by **pietpetoors** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:19 pm

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:21 pm

Poulter seems to be flying

Post by **george** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:47 pm

Geniel is 2de sover

http://gaps.dakar.com/2015/dakar/stage-02/aso/ukie.php

1st Stage

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Post by **pietpetoors** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:14 pm

Geniel is 2de sover

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:51 pm

Giniel is 2nd on stage and now 2nd overall

Al-Attiyah took back over 8 mins on Giniel

Leroy finished 10th after a great drive where he lead the stage for awhile - be interesting to hear what happened

Another SA built Hilux driven by Ten Brinke is 3rd

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:49 am

WRT the coverage, be careful, there are some shows around 2014 dakar and there is another around the 2015 one. Thats whats causing the confusion. Even the 2015 one had alot of highlights from last year in it.

Giniel is up to 2nd as Gordon who was 2nd has issues with overheating brakes

Poulter is 12th and approx 27 mins behind

but yip, nassir is Flying!!!

Hilux FTW!!!!!

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:08 am

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:12 pm

Seems Geniel is flying this morning. At WP2 he made up almost a minute on Al-Attiyah

Toppie4x4 · Post by **Toppie4x4** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:20 pm

Yip ek dink die Hiluxes vaar goed die jaar.

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:22 pm

Please post link where you guys are getting the live info... assebliefies!

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:26 pm

i'm not sure if i'm reading it correct but from what I see Giniel is currently 1st on the stage

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:26 pm

http://gaps.dakar.com/2015/dakar/stage-03/aso/ukie.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:28 pm

Ahh... that's better... all I could find was this:

http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2015/us/stag ... hours.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:38 pm

the whole site is very confusing.

they need to make it simpler to read and make sense of what is going on. they have digits in brackets etc. but its up to you to figure out what that means...

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:39 pm

Little worrying though is I don't see Poulter on the list at WP1 and 2 and he should have been through there already

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:49 pm

Has anyone found specs on the Toyota's? What engine, etc. All I've been able to find is that it is a Diesel Engine, and that the vehicle is 60kg lighter than last years vehicle

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:59 pm

Cleaner wrote:Has anyone found specs on the Toyota's? What engine, etc. All I've been able to find is that it is a Diesel Engine, and that the vehicle is 60kg lighter than last years vehicle

Nope... dit is nog steeds 'n petrol motor. Dieselfde een as in die Lexus LFA

Seems Poulter had issues early in the day as he has now passed WP1 in position 57

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:07 pm

As far as i know the Hilux is running the V8 Lexus motor
the 1UZ-FE? i'm not sure
but you can definitely hear its a V8 petrol

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:13 pm

Seems the Hilux is dropping back as they are now reaching the higher altitudes. Hopefully they gain as the come down again

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:14 pm

At WP4 Geniel is 1 second ahead of Al-Attiyah

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:20 pm

Hilux Spec:

Engine type : VO Lexus, 2UR-GSE all-alloy 32-valve quad camshaft
Output : 310 kW
Assistance : Imperial Toyota
Weight : 1877,5
Performance tuner : Imperial Toyota

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:21 pm

And from Wikipedia

The 2UR-GSE is a 5.0 liter (4969 cc) engine and powers the Lexus IS-F, and recently, the new RC-F. It has D4-S gasoline direct injection, Dual VVT-i, and VVT-iE on the intake cam. Bore of 94 mm and stroke of 89.5 mm, it will produce 422 PS (310 kW; 416 hp) at 6,600 rpm and 51.5 kg·m (505 N·m; 373 lb·ft) at 5,200 rpm. in the RC-F, this engine will produce 477 PS (351 kW; 470 hp) and 54 kg·m (530 N·m; 391 lb·ft) The 2UR-GSE is an all-alloy quad-cam, 32-valve with high-flow cylinder heads, dual VVT-I with electric VVT-iE inlet camshaft actuation, titanium inlet valves, high-lift camshafts, dual D-4S fuel injection, dual intake air system, tuned length surge tank and stainless steel dual exhaust system.

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:32 pm

Thanks Cassie. I need to stop following this or i'm not gonna have any nails left by the end of the day!

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:45 pm

Die$eL wrote:Seems the Hilux is dropping back as they are now reaching the higher altitudes. Hopefully they gain as the come down again

exact same problem as last year !!

too much time at VERY high altitudes.

you NEED a turbo to stay competitive ...

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:48 pm

exactly. its like the race it setup for forced induction vehicles only! !@#%!@#$!!

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:29 pm

Ek dink nie julle kyk die selfde rally as ek nie. Geniel het al heelwat tyd op Al-Attiyah op gemaak.

Ratel-06 · Post by **Ratel-06** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:39 pm

En die wenner vir die stage is.......... Geniel......

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:46 pm

Weet nie of hy die wenner gaan bly nie maar hy het 2:24 voor Al-Attiyah geeindig. So hy is nou met net oor die 5min in 2de plek overall.

Ratel-06 · Post by **Ratel-06** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:49 pm

Jy's reg Casru....... ek is net BAIE optimisties.......

Harold · Post by **Harold** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:57 pm

Look out, here come the Peugeots. I think they will become the main players in the Dakar for years to come.
Who knows - Geniel may behind the wheel of a Peugeot in 2016?

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:08 am

A tweet from Geniel regarding yesterdays stage (stage 3):

Good stage today for us. Caught up to Nasser, then had a puncture but we managed to catch again. 2nd on stage and 2nd overall

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:36 am

Dankie vir die inligting rondom die specs!

As Geniel se kar hou, klink sy kanse goed op die oomblik! Hy moet net so aanhou!

En dis nou jammer van Poulter - Wonner wat daar gebeur het dat hy so ver terug gesak het.

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:39 am

Seems Poulter hit a ditch and broke a control arm, costing him 45 mins..

Giniel still second at the end of stage 3. Today they start at an altitude of 3000m. The Hilux is going to feel that!

Thanks for the pics Cassie!

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:41 am

Cleaner wrote:
En dis nou jammer van Poulter - Wonner wat daar gebeur het dat hy so ver terug gesak het.

He hit a pothole/ditch 10km's into the stage damaging a rear control arm - took 50min to repair, so he's just over an hour behind now.

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:46 am

Aaah, maak sin dan! Ek suppose damages is maar deel van die game! Net bly hy is nog in die race!

Vir interesantheid - Soso sy control arm nou, ry hy sulke spares saam, of moet hy wag vir support vehicle om een te bring?

Mag sy support team hom even help in 'n stage?

4x4BEES · Post by **4x4BEES** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:54 am

Cleaner wrote:Aaah, maak sin dan! Ek suppose damages is maar deel van die game! Net bly hy is nog in die race!

Vir interesantheid - Soso sy control arm nou, ry hy sulke spares saam, of moet hy wag vir support vehicle om een te bring?

Mag sy support team hom even help in 'n stage?

Wil ook graag weet

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:06 am

From what I understand they have certain spares with them. Only makes sense to carry things like a control arm coz there is a high possibility of breaking the same

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:11 am

Oh by the way, did anyone notice on the broadcast of stage 2 (or was it stage 3, i'm not sure) for the bikes there was one of the top contenders who was lost and the helicopter was following him and filming. It was clear that the helicopter guys gave him directions.
When he did find his way he gave them a thumbs up for helping. Surely thats not rite! If they assist one person who is lost, they should assist everyone, else its unfair.

Easiest thing, dont assist anyone!!

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:24 am

Yes they do carry critical spares with them, like control arms, brake calipers, belts, small stuff that can be changed to get out of the stage.

Yes the support trucks can help them, but these trucks leave after all the competitors have and that's normally a couple of hours later. As in Nani Roma's case he was towed in by his support truck ( some 800kms), replaced the engine and he's back racing, albeit 6-7 hrs behind.

You own team mates can help aswell - Roma will now carry extra spares, etc and act as back up for the other mini's. They will even go as far as stripping Roma's mini for spares to keep the others going.

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:26 am

These drivers and co-drivers are pretty competent bush mechanics !!!!

The support trucks only enter the stage a few hours later - so you MUST be able to do the basic repairs yourself.

A program on Discovery this week about a privateer biker that did the Dakar last year - IMPRESSIVE !!

jacques kotze · Post by **jacques kotze** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:32 am

What tyres do the Hilux use ?

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:35 am

I know other competitors can help. and your own support crew + team mates, but the camera helicopter? Especially with directions, not repairs. That doesnt sound fair even if its not against the rules.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:40 am

As a matter of interest. According to Dirk von Zitzevitz, he and Geniel had a huge scare 10km from the end of stage-3 where they caught a huge jump and landed on the nose of the Hilux....

The Legend · Post by **The Legend** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:45 am

CasKru wrote:As a matter of interest. According to Dirk von Zitzevitz, he and Geniel had a huge scare 10km from the end of stage-3 where they caught a huge jump and landed on the nose of the Hilux....

Any damages?

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:10 am

Sad news

The Polish bike rider Michal Hernik (no. 82) was found dead on the selective section of the third stage of the rally between San Juan and Chilecito at kilometre 206.

The circumstances surrounding his death have yet to be determined, as the competitor did not show any external signs of an accident. One report said he was not wearing his helmet when found

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:32 am

Lollie wrote:
CasKru wrote:As a matter of interest. According to Dirk von Zitzevitz, he and Geniel had a huge scare 10km from the end of stage-3 where they caught a huge jump and landed on the nose of the Hilux....

Any damages?

Nie so ver ek kan agterkom of wat hulle sê nie.

Dingo wrote:Sad news

The Polish bike rider Michal Hernik (no. 82) was found dead on the selective section of the third stage of the rally between San Juan and Chilecito at kilometre 206.

The circumstances surrounding his death have yet to be determined, as the competitor did not show any external signs of an accident. One report said he was not wearing his helmet when found

Really sad indeed. Evidently he was found about 300m of the track with no visible signs of a crash. This was his first Dakar. To me it sounds like he dehydrated