Swimming Pool Renovation

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:33 pm

Is there a member that does pool renovation? I want to redo my swimming pool. I drained it this weekend and would like to redo the marbelite. The pool is basically a square shape (10x5m) and holds about 65000L. What do I need and how much $ am I looking at?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:45 pm

I am also in the market for this, but I have a fibreglass pool.. If it costs too much I am going to fill it in and swim under the sprinklers...

ecotech · Post by **ecotech** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:47 pm

cassie as ek jou kan raad gee doen dit self. ek en my tjomma het hulle swembad self gedoen. dit sou hulle 3 jaar trug R25000-00 kos. dan supply hulle als en doen die werk. ek weet nie wat die materiaal gekos het nie maar dit was n dag van pret en snot tussen die tone met die marble light maar dis gedoen en almal het gesmile

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:05 pm

Thanks Martin. Ek het pryse gekry en dit lyk my so R75/m² uit te werk, dit nou sonder labour. Ek is net nie seker van die prosedure ens nie. Soos ek verstaan moet ek al die oues af chip voor ek die nuwes kan opsit.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:30 pm

Cassie ek dog jy gaan daai olimpiese size bad van jou halveer :? ?

ecotech · Post by **ecotech** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:41 pm

nes jy daar se cassie. so gryp die hammer en bytel en span benoni se werkloses in en kap vir n vaale.....

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:54 pm

BenHur wrote:Cassie ek dog jy gaan daai olimpiese size bad van jou halveer :? ?

Dit gaan meer kos om hom te halveer as om hom te restoreer soos is :evil:

3RZ · Post by **3RZ** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:20 am

Koop vir jou 'n veselglas dop, sit hom binne in die marbelite dop en vul die buitkante op met riviersand

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:21 am

3RZ wrote:Koo vir jou 'n veselglas dop, sit hom binne in die marbelite dop en vul die buitkante op met riviersand

Het aan daai een ook gedink. Dit is die maklikste oplossing maar ook die duurste een

Post by **Mud Dog** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:29 am

I used to be in this business for a number of years some time back.

Firstly Thys, I considered a glass fibre pool to be the better option if properly installed (did my own), Less and easier maintenance, less chlor (I personally don't use granular chlor, have a salt pool & chlorinator), less abrasive on pool cleaner footpad and pipes, better temperature retension and in the event of shell damage, glass fibre is far easier to work with.
I'm not sure why you would want to do anything to your pool unless the surface has become really dull and it worries you. Normally this can just polish up, but if really bad, you would have to apply a new 'Gel coat'.

Cassie, sorry man, but I believe marbelite to be the worst pool surfacing. It's exceptionally abrasive on pool cleaners and pipes, uses more chemicals, harbours algae spores and stains easily especially with rust (like if somehow a nail, paperclip, bottlecap or any other iron object finds it's way into the pool and start to rust before being removed). Anyway, you obviously have a 'gunnite' shell and most likely a mosaic trim around the top because mabelite would even stain with the fine surface scum at the waterline. It is this mosaic trim and the bullnose edge that require you to chop out the marbelite plaster, so that your new application can 'flush up' to it again. Now here I would covert to a 'chip tile' surface instead of marbelite again. Far better qualities, almost on a par with glass fibre except for heat retension. It also gives your pool a real sparkle AND it's economical to do.
If you want, I can dig up some pics (probably pre-digital era) to give you a better idea.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:27 am

Thanks Andy. I was contemplating the idea of putting the Fiberglass pool inside the existing pool and just filling the rest up with riversand etc. This is the more expensive option as prices of fiberglass pools seems to be in the range of R25K. For me to marbelite the pool again will cost +- R7000 and to have it doen about R13K.

I've lived with the marbelite pool now for about 24 years and know exactly what you mean when it comes to staining. It is due to the black algea that I have to re-marbeliet as we used to brush the pools sides etc with a steel brush to get rid of it.

You don't perhaps know of a fiberglass pool manufacturer I could contact to get a better quote?

ToyX4 · Post by **ToyX4** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:53 am

Cassie, kyk bietjie hierna: http://www.poolsolutions.co.za/

Wil dit vir my swembad kry, maar kom ook nie tot die punt om dit te doen nie

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:11 am

ToyX4 wrote:Cassie, kyk bietjie hierna: http://www.poolsolutions.co.za/

Wil dit vir my swembad kry, maar kom ook nie tot die punt om dit te doen nie

Thanks Riaan... ek het al daai roete oorweeg maar die langste waarborg wat ek al gesien het is 7 jaar. Dit is 'n bietjie kort vir my considering dat my swembad nou 24 jaar out is en nou eers oor gedoen moet word (deels my probleem want ek het hom lank net laat staan) En volgens hulle pryslys gaan dit en marbelite so te se dieselfde kos.

So ek kyk maar nog.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:16 am

ToyX4 wrote:Cassie, kyk bietjie hierna: http://www.poolsolutions.co.za/

Wil dit vir my swembad kry, maar kom ook nie tot die punt om dit te doen nie

Riaan

EK het dit al baie gesien maar nog nooit een gesien wat al 5 jaar oud is en nog steeds mooi is nie. Almal wat ek gesien het so ver is in die laaste jaar of 2 gedoen. Dit laat my wonder, hou die goed so lank of laat almal dan maar tog 'n jaar of twee later die ding re marbelite? Ek weet nie ek mag verkeerd wees.

Cassie het jy al kwotes gekry om jou bad met veselglas te laat uitlê in plaas van 'n kleiner veselglas dop, hoeveel duurder is dit as marbelite?

As jy ooit weer swart alg kry moenie die marbelite skuur nie, ek het my huis gekoop 12 jaar terug met swark vlekke in die marbelite (die swembad was toe omtrent 10 jaar oud) en van toe af het ek net die swart alg beheer deur so een maal 'n jaar 'n bottel Two10 in te gooi. Die bad ruik dan snaaks vir so week (nie te erg nie) en dan is die alg weer onder beheer tot volgende lente wanneer die eerste reën kom. Ek het eenkeer die water uitgetap en al die swart vlekke probeer uitwas met suur en met die paartjies wat oorgebly het leef ek nou maar saam en in 12 jaar het dit nog nie erger geword nie en my marbelite hou nog goed. Ek het sover nog net 2 keer na die winter water moes ingooi.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:06 am

Thanks Bennie. Ek het al gedink aan die veselglas oor die marbelite te sit maar ek is bang dat die wat dalk eventually tussen die marbelite en veselglas gaan inkom en dan amok maak. Ek het nog nie fisies iemand daar gehad om te kom quote nie maar kry maar qoutes vir so 90m².

Op die oomblik staan die swembad nou leeg en wil ek oor die volgende rukkie die kante oordentlike pressure clean met miskien so bietjie suur oplossing om van die algea onslae te raak. Het gehoor dit is 'n goeie idee om 'n verhouding van so 1:3 na 1:4 (water:suur) te gebruik. Moet net iewers 'n gasmasker organise :)

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:14 am

CasKru wrote: Moet net iewers 'n gasmasker organise :)

Jy meen 'n stof masker vir philemon

Stof masker by local hardeware winkel R 25
Philemon om die wande te skuur R 80-90 per dag
Not having to do it yourself - Priceless

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:15 am

SWAMBO gaan nie baie happy wees as sy moet gras sny omdat phillemon besig is om die swembad te was nie

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:23 am

My vriend het onlangs syne met chloor (opgelos as 'n pasta) skoongemaak. Jy verf dit aan met 'n kwas en spuit dit dan later af met 'n power washer. Hy sê dit werk goed (maar sy swembad is nou eers so 4 jaar oud) maar ek dink daai chloor slaan ook maar mens se asem weg. Het gisteraand my 4kg bottel volgemaak uit die groot emmer uit en dit alleen is erg genoeg om jou asem weg te slaan. Moet sê met die Blu52 het ek lanklaas nodig gehad voor nou om HTH in the gooi ek dink daai emmer HTH het ek al in 2006 gekoop, dit maak al sulke klonte.

Moet nou weer my chlorinator fix, sout is net soveel nicer om in te swem, dit iriteer nie my vel soos hth nie, die blu52 is darem nie te bad nie

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:31 am

Ek het 'n goeie idee.

Aangesien my philemon huis toe is en eers na kersfees weer terug kom, kan Charmaine en Linda op team Hulle kan Saterdag jou gras sny en dan Sondag myne. Ons wil nou nie hê hulle moet te hard werk nie, met Linda wat in die ander tyd is enol so as hulle saam werk dan is die gras sny nie so vermoeiend nie.

Dan kan ek en jy baie nice wees en die vroue die naweek afgee en die kinders saamvat Berakah toe sodat hulle kan rus.

Dawid · Post by **Dawid** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:44 am

Kyk na hierdie site:

http://truetex.com/pool.htm

Nog mense wat hou van hard werk

Ek en my vrou het ons ou septiese tenk omskep in 'n 3x3m splash pool. Ons het chiptile gebruik en die hele storie het ons twee 6 maande geneem. Het net naweke en saans na werk daaraan kon werk. Het alles van concrete meng tot teelwerk en plumbing self gedoen. Was 'n lekker projek.
PS vrouens het meer geduld met die chiptile se pak. Moenie inmeng nie!

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:09 am

BenHur wrote:Ek het 'n goeie idee.

Aangesien my philemon huis toe is en eers na kersfees weer terug kom, kan Charmaine en Linda op team Hulle kan Saterdag jou gras sny en dan Sondag myne. Ons wil nou nie hê hulle moet te hard werk nie, met Linda wat in die ander tyd is enol so as hulle saam werk dan is die gras sny nie so vermoeiend nie.

Dan kan ek en jy baie nice wees en die vroue die naweek afgee en die kinders saamvat Berakah toe sodat hulle kan rus.

Ek sal gou die voorstel aan haar maak en hoor wat sê sy.... (het iemand dalk vir my ear plugs)

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:17 am

CasKru wrote:Ek sal gou die voorstel aan haar maak en hoor wat sê sy.... (het iemand dalk vir my ear plugs)

Kan ek dalk raai??

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:23 am

Kaspaas wrote:
CasKru wrote:Ek sal gou die voorstel aan haar maak en hoor wat sê sy.... (het iemand dalk vir my ear plugs)
Kan ek dalk raai??

Nope... daai prentjie is verkeerd... ek sou dit in die eerste plek nie tot in die huis gemaak het nie

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:28 am

CasKru wrote:
Kaspaas wrote:
CasKru wrote:Ek sal gou die voorstel aan haar maak en hoor wat sê sy.... (het iemand dalk vir my ear plugs)
Kan ek dalk raai??

Nope... daai prentjie is verkeerd... ek sou dit in die eerste plek nie tot in die huis gemaak het nie

Maar ek het gedink jy is baas, en SWAMBO is klaas.............

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:55 am

JohanM wrote:Maar ek het gedink jy is baas, en SWAMBO is klaas.............

SWAMBO is Linda... Hy is Klaas....

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:05 am

Kaspaas wrote:
JohanM wrote:Maar ek het gedink jy is baas, en SWAMBO is klaas.............
SWAMBO is Linda... Hy is Klaas....

Ek sien..........

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:07 am

Toemaar Johan, jy sal nog al hierdie klein goetertjies leer met die tyd saam....

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:35 pm

My vraag is... as 'n man in die middel van 'n woud staan en daar is nie 'n vrou naby wat kan hoor nie, is hy nog steeds verkeerd?

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:39 pm

Cassie ek dink nie so nie, dit is mos as iemand iets hoor wat dit dan groot moeilikheid kan kom.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:42 pm

Selfs net as hulle jou nek spiere hoor kraak as jy op die strand le en miskien sou rondkyk

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:45 pm

Jy sien, dit is die kompitiesie wat dan die ergste in hulle uitbring!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:47 pm

JohanM wrote:Cassie ek dink nie so nie, dit is mos as iemand iets hoor wat dit dan groot moeilikheid kan kom.

oops wrong!! To quote a good friend of mine JR Ewing: "You still have an awful lot to learn!!"

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:32 pm

JohanM wrote:Jy sien, dit is die kompitiesie wat dan die ergste in hulle uitbring!

Net as jy vir haar kompetisie soek. Die geheim is om die kompetisie na jou toe te bring - dan moet jy sien hoe nice hulle regtig kan wees as hulle moet....

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:50 pm

Scorpion wrote:
JohanM wrote:Jy sien, dit is die kompitiesie wat dan die ergste in hulle uitbring!
Net as jy vir haar kompetisie soek. Die geheim is om die kompetisie na jou toe te bring - dan moet jy sien hoe nice hulle regtig kan wees as hulle moet....

Praat jy darem nou groot waarheid daarso!!!!..

Post by **Mud Dog** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:32 pm

Cassie

You don't perhaps know of a fiberglass pool manufacturer I could contact to get a better quote?

Sundance Pools used to be the best value for money at the time as I recall. Don't know if they're still around, used to freight them up from the Cape. Minimum criteria IRO wall thickness is 8mm. Don't go for less no matter what assurances they come up with.

That said, I would still go for chip-tile in your instance.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:33 pm

Just reading through the rest of the posts, besides you guys quipping about getting your wives involved (bad idea), here are my thoughts.

I know of a number of different "paint on" epoxy applications, and in my opinion they are not the answer as they all fade and deteriorate with UV and pool chemicals. It is however entirely possible that in the past 12 years or so that I no longer do pools, that there are now better products. Adhesion is also a major issue and blistering is a real possibility. In this respect, to glass fibre your existing shell is a better option, but pricey. Adhesion is much better and not too much of an issue because the glassfibre lining is pretty rigid. You would save a lot of labour time going this route as opposed to chip-tile but material costs would be a lot higher and overall still cheaper than chip-tile depending on who's doing the work (you can easily use a couple of Philomons and Dhlamini's to chip-tile, but to work with resin requires a bit of common sense and lots of supervision). Should you decide to go the resin route, It might be worth while to hire a "Chopper Gun" to apply the glass fibre in one hit. You would just have to properly clean the surfaces, mask off mosaic trim & bullnose, lights etc. Then prime coat surfaces and away you go. Finishing is done with disc sanders (slow speed) and once smoothed / evened off, two layers of gelcoat. You can fill water after 24 hrs.

Both options can be done by yourself, but chip-tile would take longer and must cure for 36 to 48 hrs before filling with water.

Another thing, avoid acid washing on marbelite, it cannot handle it. It breaks down as the acid 'eats' the cement bonding.

Good luck with your decision and overall project.
You've got my e-mail address if you want further advice / help.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:05 pm

Mud Dog wrote:Just reading through the rest of the posts, besides you guys quipping about getting your wives involved (bad idea), here are my thoughts.

I know of a number of different "paint on" epoxy applications, and in my opinion they are not the answer as they all fade and deteriorate with UV and pool chemicals. It is however entirely possible that in the past 12 years or so that I no longer do pools, that there are now better products. Adhesion is also a major issue and blistering is a real possibility. In this respect, to glass fibre your existing shell is a better option, but pricey. Adhesion is much better and not too much of an issue because the glassfibre lining is pretty rigid. You would save a lot of labour time going this route as opposed to chip-tile but material costs would be a lot higher and overall still cheaper than chip-tile depending on who's doing the work (you can easily use a couple of Philomons and Dhlamini's to chip-tile, but to work with resin requires a bit of common sense and lots of supervision). Should you decide to go the resin route, It might be worth while to hire a "Chopper Gun" to apply the glass fibre in one hit. You would just have to properly clean the surfaces, mask off mosaic trim & bullnose, lights etc. Then prime coat surfaces and away you go. Finishing is done with disc sanders (slow speed) and once smoothed / evened off, two layers of gelcoat. You can fill water after 24 hrs.

Both options can be done by yourself, but chip-tile would take longer and must cure for 36 to 48 hrs before filling with water.

Another thing, avoid acid washing on marbelite, it cannot handle it. It breaks down as the acid 'eats' the cement bonding.

Good luck with your decision and overall project.
You've got my e-mail address if you want further advice / help.

Thanks Andy. Hilux guys is the best. :)

Just on more question. I will be doing this project myself so it will probably stretch over a few weekends (not in a hurry). Which surface would then be best? Chip-tile?

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:01 pm

My bo lip is stukkend vanaand

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:28 pm

BenHur wrote:My bo lip is stukkend vanaand

Jy wil jou mos soos 'n tang gedra... beware af the cable tie!

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:40 am

Ek sien met die kompos wat ek so maand gelede gekoop het, (Limey se hele bak vol) groei my gras nou vinniger as die bossies in die tuin, smaak my ek sal die cable tie moet convince om maar gou Vrydag oggend die gras moet sny voor ons ry, dit sal nie een naweek kan skip nie.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:11 am

Eish!

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:22 am

Bennie, watch your mouth, the 'tang' (Afrikaans pronunciation) is a very powerful weapon

Cassie, assuming that your pool is crack free, I would suggest chip-tile. It way outlasts everything else when it comes to surface condition (ph must not be acidic, keep it within limits). Also, you would enjoy most of the benefits of a glass fibre surface. You would not regret it ... just a lot of work to get it done.

Voorspoed!

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:44 am

Andy... Bennie experienced a were "tangy" flavour

Thanks for all the advice Andy..... I'll probably go for the chip-tile. Seems like it is perfect for what I want to do. Luckily my pool is about crack free (one or two hairline cracks). My only problem is at the weir, it is leaking quite badly between the plastic of the weir and the swimming pool surface.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:41 pm

My only problem is at the weir, it is leaking quite badly between the plastic of the weir and the swimming pool surface.

This you can address at the same time. You can even caulk it with an epoxy sealer (Epidermix is a good one) after removing the marbelite, before chip tiling. If you want to use silicon, make sure it is an acetic base (to bond to mortar).

Considering the age of your pool, and having only hairline cracks, it would seem that the surrounding soil is very stable and you should have no problems after re-surfacing. I would however make a note of where they occur, and once the marbelite is off and the substrate exposed, you can inspect those areas more closely. If you're not happy with what you see and the cracks are evident, you could just "vee" them out to a depth of 12 to 15 mm and caulk with Epidermix. I would not normally suggest this but your pool sounds like it is very stable and movement is unlikely.

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:43 am

Thanks Andy... We've got extremely stable soil and have had no problem with buildings etc cracking. I must admid that we did have a small sink hole in the yard at one stage

but we believe it was caused by a trees route system and that tree is no more