22R EFI Conversion

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:47 am

Courier cost went up! 195 USD.
I will wait until I have the manifold before continuing. Alan (Hoppy) will assist, but I want to do most myself to learn the operation.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:34 am

My progress has been slowed due to a problem with the engine. I managed to get the ICV and have finished spraying the manifolds, looks really nice. I also managed to source a set of plugs. However after only about 4000kms, the engine is using up oil. There are no leaks at all and comprerssion is good and no oil in the plugs, but it took 2 pints after 250 kms. Anyway it is still under guarantee and mechanic and engineer have agreed to open it up again and look at the rings and check clearances again. Only going in a weeks time, so this project of the conversion is on hold.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Mon May 09, 2011 2:04 pm

Hi guys. In the hope of avioding to open up the engine again, my mechanic tried all elimination process trouble shooting. However he had to open it up and found that the rings, in particular the oil rings were faulty. The holidays added to my misery of getting it sooner. Anyway I have the bakkie back, all seems well and I an resuming my conversion. Truth be told I cant wait to get it all done given the new petrol price. I have just added a new set of mags and hope to finish off the decals along the sides by next week. Will add a pic by 2morrow.

THROTTLE-BOY · Post by **THROTTLE-BOY** » Mon May 09, 2011 8:59 pm

Great progress so far....You have more patience than I do !
I have a 22R in a sand-master I built a couple of years back that had major carb issues off-road....I spent a while searching for an EFI intake but had no luck, so I built one instead....I profiled some flanges then used a BMW throttle-body, built a plenium with runners and shoved a set of 7MGTE injectors in with a Mr Turbo controller for the fueling only. It runs like a bat outta hell and isn't that heavy on the juice.

Gunta · Post by **Gunta** » Tue May 10, 2011 7:22 am

Mark thats quite a work of art there, maybe you should take some orders and make a complete set and sell them to the forum guys. Neat job.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Tue May 10, 2011 8:41 pm

Hey Mark that's truly a good conversion. Mark (Gunta) is correct you should post your conversion on this site. I am sure many of our members will want to try out your conversion.

THROTTLE-BOY · Post by **THROTTLE-BOY** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:21 pm

Thanks for the good words Guys......at the moment I'm just too busy with Roll-cages in fast cars.....can't even get My 4-link put together on the Rock-Crawler

Alex_bg · Post by **Alex_bg** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:16 pm

Hi Guys,
I'm new hire , but I found a set of 22RE complete intake on Ebay if somebody is for EFI conversion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-95-TO ... ccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:19 pm

Alex_bg wrote:Hi Guys,
I'm new hire , but I found a set of 22RE complete intake on Ebay if somebody is for EFI conversion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-95-TO ... ccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tx Alex

And welcome :wink2:

Stef · Post by **Stef** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:52 am

Also been contemplating the custom built EFi...but dunno too much about injectors & stuff :?

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Wed May 25, 2011 9:57 am

Mine is done

Hoppy worked on the weekend and fitted my EFI. Final mapping still needs to be done, but Rooi-oog now feels like a new vehicle.
Many thanks to Hoppy and his team.

This guy does not just go the extra mile for his customers, he does it with a smile and a good price as well.

Thanks Alan, ek waardeer dit

Stef · Post by **Stef** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:15 am

Mooi man

Iemand al daaraan gedink om die 2.4i condor se injectors,TB, ICV ens te gebruik met 'n custom plenum/manifold soos Mark s'n hierbo?

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Wed May 25, 2011 1:54 pm

Kostes vir EFi
Manifold en vervoer-R 2 855
Vat en invoerbelasting - R 740
Pomp, filter, gaskets ens.- R 728
Diktator - R 2500
Fitting, connection, mapping, ens. - R 3050
Dyno - R 1250

Totaal R 11 123

zepplin · Post by **zepplin** » Wed May 25, 2011 2:17 pm

Peekchas????

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Wed May 25, 2011 3:49 pm

zepplin wrote:Peekchas????

Yes please

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:42 pm

Prenties soos versoek.
Na sy dyno vandag is ek nou tevrede. Trek soos `n Boeing. Die verbruik sal ek later uitvind.
Ek het uitstekende diens by Ferrolis gekry. Die manne weet wat hulle doen en die winkel is skoner as `n operasiesaal (nie `n staatshospitaal nie!)
Robbie en sy personeel is vriendelik en maak reg wat verkeerd is.
Ferrolis dyno centre en AEW Auto rocks!!!

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:57 pm

Mooi!

Post by **CasKru** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:10 am

Baie netjies.... het jy jou oorspronklike petrol kabel gebruik?

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:30 am

Waar is daai Staal borsel dat ek my ali kan krap

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:16 am

Ja dis die oorspronklikke kabel, het net n bracket gemaak.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:53 am

Well Done Andre (and Hoppy)! I am not yet there. I have had issues to work on the bakkie as I dont have space presently. i moved out of our home whilst we are doing renovations and the new place has space for one vehicle. So I am now trying to source someone to do the conversion for me to save time. Will keep everyone posted as soon as I know. Thanks again to Cassie for meeting with me and giving me some advice.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:09 pm

mervyn wrote:Well Done Andre (and Hoppy)! I am not yet there. I have had issues to work on the bakkie as I dont have space presently. i moved out of our home whilst we are doing renovations and the new place has space for one vehicle. So I am now trying to source someone to do the conversion for me to save time. Will keep everyone posted as soon as I know. Thanks again to Cassie for meeting with me and giving me some advice.

Louis
4x4megaworld
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Rooies · Post by **Rooies** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:21 pm

Hi Andre,

Wat se Diktator het jy gebruik.

Thanks,

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:29 pm

Uit ou Mike se woordeskat "`n Rooie"
Nee ernstig, ek weet nie. Ferroli`s verkoop hulle teen R 2 500.00. Ek weet nie watter soort nie, was nie bewus van verskille nie. Miskien kan Hoppy help.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:17 pm

Tks George. I have sent Louis a PM and am waiting to hear from him.

Post by **CasKru** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:21 pm

mervyn wrote:Tks George. I have sent Louis a PM and am waiting to hear from him.

I know he is currently busy with Lollies Efi conversion

zepplin · Post by **zepplin** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:19 pm

The 4 Y & 22R both run with a STD Dicktator.

Tonto · Post by **Tonto** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:14 am

Ek het die torque kurwe 2 keer gepost

Hier is die regtes

Rooies · Post by **Rooies** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:35 pm

Andre ek sal graag by jou wil uitkom een of ander tyd, ek het die EFI wat hierbo op e-bay geadverteer word vir $200 dollar gekry. Kan nie wag om hom in Rooies in te bou nie.

Alex_bg · Post by **Alex_bg** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:20 pm

My parts are hire....

Mervyn , where did you send yours for sandblasting?

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:35 pm

Hi Alex. Congrats on the parts. I used Mark (Gunta's) friend Ted 011 708 2475 from Boreco engineering in Kya sands to do it. it was bead blasted not sandblasted. Hope this helps. Really worth the trouble as my parts were really dirty.

Alex_bg · Post by **Alex_bg** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:11 pm

Thanks!
I will call him tomorrow....

Alex_bg · Post by **Alex_bg** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:38 am

Excellent service from Ted ...my EFI module is shining like new

.
Does somebody know where can I get an injector seal kit?

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:40 pm

Gemini Parts in Jhb cbd. Got mine from them as well.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:45 pm

Guys I am looking for high pressure fuel lines for the conversion. Does anyone know where is the best place in Jhb to get them or is any Midas fine? looking for 4 x 8mm lines and 1 x 6mm.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:52 pm

mervyn wrote:Guys I am looking for high pressure fuel lines for the conversion. Does anyone know where is the best place in Jhb to get them or is any Midas fine? looking for 4 x 8mm lines and 1 x 6mm.

You can use any good quality fuel hose

Post by **PAUL NEL** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:24 pm

pietpetoors wrote:Hi Mervyn, depending on how long shipment takes I will have a inlet manifold within a week or two. It is the upper and lower body plus throttle body. I still have to see what my import duty will be but seems like the total price will be about R1,500

So as jy nie regkom nie, hou dit in gedagte

Ek sal dit neem indien dit nog beskikbaar is
Paul Nel 0ag3228twee472 spbbuildit@telkomsa.net

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:05 am

Guys I have finally handd in my bakkie to Louis. Here is the first of a few peekchas. This is the before pic. I will update pics as we progress.

Post by **LouisZ** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:43 pm

Here the 1 st photo, of a bare 22R

Post by **LouisZ** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:46 pm

Herewith a few photos of Mervyn's Efi. Some cases different to the 4Y, for example wiring routes will be different, dizzy setup a bit easier, fitment of the intake are bit tight, you have puzzle it in. Then the intake gasket one have to make yourself, the std gasket between the head and intake do not align with the Efi. I had to make it 3 times to get it right.

Then a suspect water channel in the head almost on no 4 piston, this goes nowhere, it almost

me but fitted the std manifold again to realise it is also open

.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:46 pm

We'll be watching!

Post by **LouisZ** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:54 pm

What I like of the 22R is that is a crossflow engine, a lot of potencial!!!

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:55 pm

Looking good Mervyn almost as nice as my new GPS....

Post by **Mud Dog** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:56 pm

4x4megaworldpta wrote:What I like of the 22R is that is a crossflow engine, a lot of potencial!!!

That's about the ONLY thing I like about the motor!

Damn awkward to work on anything, not like the old 4Y.

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:01 pm

An EFi'd 22R is a really nice engine, Allan told me some time back they managed 108kw from one using an old iffy GoTech EMU. I can only imagine how much better it will run on the new gen EMU's!

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:16 am

Perhaps it's something I will look at again in time .... not on the cards for me now.

Neilrodeo · Post by **Neilrodeo** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:37 am

This looks great,

With all the searching etc. does anyone perhaps know of an EFI intake that ended up not being used?

Or where is the best place to source one?

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:34 am

4x4megaworldpta wrote:What I like of the 22R is that is a crossflow engine, a lot of potencial!!!

After reading this i'm even more interested!!!
That Intake etc. is still waiting patiantly in my garage

But we'll get there eventualy
I specialy like the "a lot of potencial" part you are talking about!

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:19 am

As u can see guys, Louis is DEFINTELY getting better at these conversions. I was worried about the fitment as most of the guys( like Chris) complained of the tight squeeze where the brake booster is. But Louis has got past that.

Lets see the specs after we run the dyno on performace, but here again Louis is optimistic. He complained that the bakkie was too slow before the conversion, so one sal sien!

Mark I will sort you out about the GPS and my batteries on Sunday when I pop by.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:01 am

Mervyn
Did you do a Dyno before the EFI fitment?

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:07 pm

Hi George. No I didnt. Didnt think of it at the time. I was too anxious to get the conversion done. I guess we learn all the time. Maybe it would be nice to do a comparison, altho I think there would e a stark difference given what the guys who have done EFI conversions claim.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:05 pm

Guys I have a question that I dont think anyone has asked. :?

Everyone has looked at increasing horsepower in some way or the other, like doing the EFI or swopping fans for electric ones etc etc.

But many other guys also change the air filter to the cone one and also insert a direct air feed to the filter. Many swear by the fact that just doing this makes a huge difference.

So (on a serious note) why haven't anyone of the guys done or considered changing the air filter to a cone filter. Or is it that the cone filter is not as great as it is made out to be?

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:10 pm

All those questions have been addressed over a number of threads ... just do a search for electric fan conversion / EFI / cold air induction.

The short answer is that all of them assist in improving the available power to the wheels.
•The most effective is the EFI conversion and is probably the most discussed of all.
•Cold air induction uses the same principle as an intercooler - cooler air is denser and thus carries more oxygen for the same volume, improving the efficiency of fuel combustion = more power. Also gives higher compression for the same compression ratio - this also improves combustion.
•A fan creates a surprising amount of drag. Eliminating this drag by fitting an electro fan results in more power to the wheels. Some of the older models were not fitted with a visco-fan and would benefit a little more than those that were fitted with one, but in either case there would be an energy saving.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:18 pm

PS ... on the issue of the filter (Also discussed before) ... stick to the OEM Donaldson filter, you cannot get better. The surface area is a few times greater than any cone filter. Cone filters are for track vehicles, and yes they reduce the drag on air inflow (the motor doesn't have to suck so hard), but they are not designed to filter dust to anywhere near the same efficiency as the Donaldson. Dirty air is more abrasive in the motor than what you may think and can dramatically reduce engine life. Rather clean the element more often and replace more regularly ... far cheaper than a replacement motor.

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:08 pm

Hi Andy. Thanks for that. I thought I replied to your last two messages but i guess I was mistaken. Have taken your advice and that of Mr B regarding the fan. Just doing the EFI and leaving the fan as is.

With all info around, I am surprised you are leaving the conversion on the back burner.

:)

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:42 pm

mervyn wrote:Hi Andy. Thanks for that. I thought I replied to your last two messages but i guess I was mistaken. Have taken your advice and that of Mr B regarding the fan. Just doing the EFI and leaving the fan as is.

With all info around, I am surprised you are leaving the conversion on the back burner. :)

It's really all round benefits, except for one .... and that's the one that snags me. I do a lot of off roading alone .... a carb can be sorted out in the bush with a makeshift plan if you have trouble ... an ECU that fails drops you like a stone unless you gave a spare ... same with injectors. It's only the serviceability in the styx that puts me off.

Post by **LouisZ** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:25 pm

With only the connection to the dizzy and the fuel piping, centre console with dizzy to built in, air pipe to connect to the air filter and top of Efi manifold to bolt on the wiring part stopped me to continue untill I can get the correct plugs for the injectors.

The plugs that fit the injectors are the same than on the 3RZ engine.

So make sure if you get the 22R injection manifold you get everything as complete as possible, Mervin did but I think they supplied the wrong injector plugs. :evil:

mervyn · Post by **mervyn** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:22 pm

Here are some updated pics. Need some help though. I bought the injector plugs seperately and it seems that they are incorrect. The plugs I have are sqaure in shape whilst the ones I require are rounded. Apparently, Louis says the plugs we need come of a 2001 2,7 3RZ motor. Does anyone have any. Happy to swop what I have. if not let me know if you know where I can get these plugs. Will be checking with Toyota on Monday if all else fails. Louis actually the plugs I bought seperately. At the time I didnt check shape. So guys Louis is right buy everything from one guy.[img]

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Ou Legend · Post by **Ou Legend** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:45 pm

Why does the computer port on the ecu looks so funny? Its not a serial port? Is that the Dicktator ecu?

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:00 pm

Wanabe n Supra wrote:Why does the computer port on the ecu looks so funny? Its not a serial port? Is that the Dicktator ecu?

yes that's the latest dicktator ecu. The new generation laptops no longer have serial ports, so many of us have been using serial-usb adapters with mixed results. To rectify this issue dicktator built the serial-usb adapter into the box, hence the usb port replacing the old serial port on the front panel! I've worked with one of these new gen boxes, worked great, other than the usb port it's exactly the same as the serial port box!