old story - ford v6 conversion changed - gwm efi running

scout · Post by **scout** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:28 pm

Firslty I know there wil be alot off negative comments.
efi is a option but it will still not have the oomf i want
7m and lexus = expensive if done properly
Positve side thys once wrote that one of the best luxes he had was powered by ford v6 + see that stubs also went that route.
This is not my daily transport , only use is on evry other weekend.
Could some of the v6 experts please give advise?

Hoppy , thys, mark

what should one take extra care of when doing such a conversion?
heating?
?
?

thank you in advance.

Borntofish · Post by **Borntofish** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:57 pm

For a weekend runner i am quite happy with the 2.2 efi conversion....

Post by **george** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:29 pm

I would also consider the 2.5 Turbo Ford/Mazda motor

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:46 pm

Ford V6 = cheapest R/kw!

scout · Post by **scout** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:00 am

you are right Thabo I had a look at all the options and just can not jusify the money for 7m or lexus .
I can get a ford v6 motor for r2000.

What should i look out for ??
Heard something about the pick uo in the sump??

Tokkie · Post by **Tokkie** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:09 am

I'm also looking @ the 2.5 turbo Ford/Mazda
Spoke to Hoppy and he said its a straight forward conversion just need to change the bell housing and the engine mounts.
Engine is about R14500.
Is it worth it? Or do you recon the 4y and do a EFI?

Stubs · Post by **Stubs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:37 am

well, I am well aware of the thoughts out there on the Ford V6 etc etc... and you know what... I dont care, I am over the moon with mine and what Hoppy did for me.... I struggled with the 4y with running 33 " muds, lifted etc and am now well pleased.... only problem I have is the air intake touching the bonnet as hoppy moves them 180 degrees for the fuel overflowing in the weber carbs, but I have put spacers in the bonnet hinges for now until I can do the bodylift...

otherwise, great value for money, sounds awesome, twin pipes, many people think its a V8... I also dont have the cash for a lexus etc so. So far I havent even needed to rev the motor above 3500 rpm....

so to all you purists out there dont judge and till I pass you on the road

scout · Post by **scout** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:54 am

Thanks stubs
i am convinced

If the experts could please give me some advise on what to look out for?
Sound like hoppy is the man

If hoppy's shop wasn't so far i would consider him doing the conversion.

Stubs · Post by **Stubs** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:28 am

Hoppy said to me that my engine was done by JT developments, its a spot on conversion, give him a bell, he will be more than pleased to give you advice and what to look for.....AEW auto, 072 129 1160.

All the torque is low down and being a V6 you dont have to Rev the hell out of it to have power to the wheels...have been offroad several times with it now and I love it....

Also check out Franco519 on the forum....he knows alot about these engines.....

as alot of people say FORD...first on rubbish dump

as hoppy says FORD for only racing drivers

Horses for courses at the end of the day....keep me updated...

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:24 pm

Still the cheapest horsepower and they are reliable if fitted properly, they are lighter on fuel than a 4Y and you won't be passed by trucks on uphills.
On the downside, they are heavy and noisy and they will break the box if you use 5th gear while towing or under 100km/h.

Use a Hilux 2.4D 99 to 04 model radiator
Fit a proper visco or solid fan (not electric)
Rotate the carb 180 deg (off road use)
Run your fuel lines far away from any heat source
Get a Ford Courier 4x4 Sump & pick up
Redrill and step the flywheel to use a std Hilux clutch
Make a sleeve to fit the std hilux pilot bearing
Use the Hilux mounts and shrouds (not the V6 mounts)

scout · Post by **scout** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:41 pm

thanks a mill hoppy

i am really considering this option 99% sure now to get some $$$
where can i find a bellhousing and what is a fair price to pay?

stubs - a big thanks to you aswell.
will keep you posted as soon as i have decided. :gavel:

Stubs · Post by **Stubs** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:57 am

no probs man, keep the thread updated....and good luck.....

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:13 pm

spoke to the v6 seller he is bringing the motor on sunday !
R2000 but I still need to buy a starter and altenator? mabey i can turn his arm????

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:26 am

Hoppy wrote:Still the cheapest horsepower and they are reliable if fitted properly, they are lighter on fuel than a 4Y and you won't be passed by trucks on uphills.
On the downside, they are heavy and noisy and they will break the box if you use 5th gear while towing or under 100km/h.

Use a Hilux 2.4D 99 to 04 model radiator
Fit a proper visco or solid fan (not electric)
Rotate the carb 180 deg (off road use)
Run your fuel lines far away from any heat source
Get a Ford Courier 4x4 Sump & pick up
Redrill and step the flywheel to use a std Hilux clutch
Make a sleeve to fit the std hilux pilot bearing
Use the Hilux mounts and shrouds (not the V6 mounts)

agree with the above

on my Currier, V6 have a big electric, and no issues

here is the interesting tidbit

have a set of branches that fit V6 in a hilux!!
not sure what hilux

advertised it here long ago, people wanted it and in the end no one bought it, so its still available

need to go bump that add up!!

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:29 am

here you go

viewtopic.php?f=132&t=15908&p=290192#p290192" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scout · Post by **scout** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:15 pm

received my v6 yesterday

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:16 pm

Stubs wrote: as alot of people say FORD...first on rubbish dump

Towig a 4Y there..
FORD. FOR OFF ROAD DOMINATION.
FORD.. flippin OULIK RY DING
FORD FOR ONLY REAL DRIVERS.
FORD. FIRST ON RACE DAY,
i can do this the whole day lol.

While for advice.
1. heating isnt a big problem.
2. get a good clutch first time.
3.get good engin mounts.

Post by **FIRSTGEER** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:10 pm

FRANCO.WHY DONT YOU SELL YOUR LUX AND BUY A FORD 4X4 and and start a ford forum

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:06 pm

Franco has the perfect Hilux
give the man a Bells

when we were looking to get our 4X4, my mind was made up, wanted a Hilux with a Ford V6
couldn't find one, and me don't have patience to wait for ever
couz of the towing we do, needed the power of the V6

we got a Courier, and have no regrets

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:28 pm

kfxnando wrote:Franco has the perfect Hilux
give the man a Bells

when we were looking to get our 4X4, my mind was made up, wanted a Hilux with a Ford V6
couldn't find one, and me don't have patience to wait for ever
couz of the towing we do, needed the power of the V6

we got a Courier, and have no regrets

we also got a courier swb bt nt 4x4 buisness use only we had it for over ten years and still going good...

Danman · Post by **Danman** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:38 am

Anouther tip.
We had a V6 in a landy and a V6 in a Datsun trekker
Both had starting issues due to the starter motor's position under the branch.
A proper heat shield sorted it quickly.

M5CW

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:57 am

on the started issues, yes the original starters were poor to say the least, and big and heavy

later, and I got one about 10 years ago
its a shorter and thiner and lighter one, think(not sure) its a Bosch, what a pleasure
they still going for R700/800 range
much better and no problems

Blaps · Post by **Blaps** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:05 am

Hoppy advised me to modify the Ford flywheel to fit all Toyota Pressure plate, Clutch and Thrust bearing. Most of the bellhousing castings are a bit skew and contributes to some shuddering on the cluth, so that has to be checked, but Hoppy has plenty of experience on these conversions and also Louis from 4x4 Megaworld in Pretoria. My bellhousing is in for alignment at the moment and i'm going to fit a Quantum Clutch Kit. m2cw

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:34 am

thanks for all the info
anybody know where i can get a bell housing and what it costs?

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:47 am

scout wrote:thanks for all the info
anybody know where i can get a bell housing and what it costs?

self have a Ford Sierra with a 21R cressida gearbox
and that has a bellhousing that gave me no issues

got that bellhousing from sprimgbok scrapyard, they also sell new parts, when I did that conversion
not sure if the bolt patern on the hilux gearbox is the same. however know that they also had other bellhousing s

hope this helps

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu May 03, 2012 3:41 pm

got a freebie - got the manifolds still look fine.
Will the original manifolds work in the lux?

Willied · Post by **Willied** » Mon May 07, 2012 12:35 pm

How much truth is there about the oil channels in the crank blocking up and causing bearings to run with less than required oil? I read somewhere about a conversion where the oil channels where bored a bit and the motor runs and revs smoother..

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:50 pm

scout wrote:got a freebie - got the manifolds still look fine.
Will the original manifolds work in the lux?

yea it will

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu May 10, 2012 8:01 am

Willied wrote:How much truth is there about the oil channels in the crank blocking up and causing bearings to run with less than required oil? I read somewhere about a conversion where the oil channels where bored a bit and the motor runs and revs smoother..

self have never experienced this, and have been driving V6 for 16 years, and they have all been driven hard, sometimes abusive

however, for high reving motors instead of enlarging the existing oil holes, you could have the crank cross drilled
however self would not worry too much about this, unless you are constantly reving past 6000rpm

how about some pics of that V6 build?

.

Willied · Post by **Willied** » Thu May 10, 2012 8:13 am

kfxnando wrote:however, for high reving motors instead of enlarging the existing oil holes, you could have the crank cross drilled
however self would not worry too much about this, unless you are constantly reving past 6000rpm

How would this improve the available kW's or would it have no effect?

What would this do to a 4Y?

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu May 10, 2012 11:24 am

Willied wrote:
kfxnando wrote:however, for high reving motors instead of enlarging the existing oil holes, you could have the crank cross drilled
however self would not worry too much about this, unless you are constantly reving past 6000rpm
How would this improve the available kW's or would it have no effect?

What would this do to a 4Y?

from my understanding, it will have no effect on power

the 4y are know to be pulled proof, almost

and self would not tinker with anything on it, unless full out modification was being done

extra oiling for the crank, like higher oil pressure and cross drilling of cranks for better lubrication. cant hurt, however those are practised mainly on high reving race motors

and the 4y and the V6, both have strong enough bottom ends that if build properly with good quality parts, should need no further modification

the V6 stock bottom end starts coming apart after 600hp

yes turbo and nos and used for drags
with steel crank I-beam conrods, turbo and nos and over 1000rwhp has been achieved

conclusion for what we are using them for, they are fine as they are

hope this helps

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:33 pm

yea it will

thanks franco

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:42 pm

hi all
haven't started whith the stripping yet , my 4y still running.
First need to get all the parts before we start stripping.
I'm not in a big hurry ( for now)

Will keep you posted

Willied · Post by **Willied** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:18 pm

kfxnando, thanks for the info.. maybe we should start a rebuild tread on the 4Y, Ford V6 and the 7M motor.. do a proper layout of what parts to use and what not..

Rider · Post by **Rider** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:33 pm

keep us updated as im doing the same conversion, im saving up some bucks to get the v6 engine completely overhauled and watching out for spares that i need

sidewaysfrans · Post by **sidewaysfrans** » Thu May 10, 2012 6:15 pm

Willied wrote:kfxnando, thanks for the info.. maybe we should start a rebuild tread on the 4Y, Ford V6 and the 7M motor.. do a proper layout of what parts to use and what not..

that seems like an awesome plan.....i just got my hilux and its got a 7m motor and im sure i will redo the engine just to make sure all is fine....i will follow that thread like a hawk

scout · Post by **scout** » Mon May 21, 2012 4:28 pm

ok then decided to sell the original 4y and use the cash to get the bellhousing and re-do the v6.
Anybody have an idea what its going to cost me to re con the v6? +-
our mechanic that works on our fleet will be doing the conversion and will not charge me labour , so the above prices would be spares and engineering work only?

scout · Post by **scout** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:14 pm

anyone?

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:37 pm

tried to post the other day, however picked up connection problems, so lets try again

depending how far you are going, engineering could cost you more then spares

the last time I redid a V6, did new pistons, new valves, new oil pump. . . . new cam bushes

on a fir V6, only use Payen gaskets

would estimate around 7K

a 3.4 would come to around 10K

hope this helps

scout · Post by **scout** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:59 am

ok changed my mind , decided to go for 4y efi ( gwm motor with complete box etc...)
after thinking and thinking and thinking my reasons for not installing the v6 -
1 - to much can go wrong in my opinion
2 -this is not going to be a drag bakkie , weekender ...... occasional week trips dont realy need the power.
3 - 4y = reliable - milions of taxis so spares are available all over africa.

anyone know where to find these?

Post by **george** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:30 pm

scout wrote:ok changed my mind , decided to go for 4y efi ( gwm motor with complete box etc...)
after thinking and thinking and thinking my reasons for not installing the v6 -
1 - to much can go wrong in my opinion
2 -this is not going to be a drag bakkie , weekender ...... occasional week trips dont realy need the power.
3 - 4y = reliable - milions of taxis so spares are available all over africa.

anyone know where to find these?

Why dont you go for this?
viewtopic.php?f=132&t=25807

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:34 pm

+1...

Not the GWM motor..

scout · Post by **scout** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:47 pm

george wrote:
scout wrote:ok changed my mind , decided to go for 4y efi ( gwm motor with complete box etc...)
after thinking and thinking and thinking my reasons for not installing the v6 -
1 - to much can go wrong in my opinion
2 -this is not going to be a drag bakkie , weekender ...... occasional week trips dont realy need the power.
3 - 4y = reliable - milions of taxis so spares are available all over africa.

anyone know where to find these?
Why dont you go for this?
viewtopic.php?f=132&t=25807

courier costs will kill me
thys - why not GWM -
i found one complete with the computer for 8500 and will only pay in 3500 when trading my motor ( not to well , using 500ml oil every tank petrol)
the motor comes out off a dbl cab

Post by **george** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:32 am

thys - why not GWM -

CHINESE

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:06 am

That's basically it what George said... they are not true 4Y's, but knock offs/replicas, not built to the original tolerances and specs... for that matter you might just as well fit a Land Rover motor.

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:07 pm

what motor should i then look for?

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:47 pm

Why not have your 4Y rebuilt, or is it already a ching chong knock off?

Then you can just EFi it! I rebuilt my 4Y myself, it cost around 4.5K to do the job 100% properly... that motor was sweet till the day I sold the bakkie!

scout · Post by **scout** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:07 pm

to redo motor and get parts for efi will cost allot more they are giving me 5000 for my motor and i have to pay in 3500 for the complete motor with efi

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:48 pm

Mr_B wrote:Why not have your 4Y rebuilt, or is it already a ching chong knock off?

Then you can just EFi it! I rebuilt my 4Y myself, it cost around 4.5K to do the job 100% properly... that motor was sweet till the day I sold the bakkie!

yea 4Y thats why you sold it.
i know how you feel if i had a boring motor

Scout.
whats your bakkie for.

A) to make every trip boring (4y)

B) to have fun every time you turn that key knowing that you can do it

C)what i wana do. lexus V8 or FORD 302 v8 to have the ultimate fun my opinion but fuel is expensive

Scout.
i dont know what you want for your bakkie so i gave you some options to have fun and do something diffreance .
ask Luke whos van he wants to ride a waste of money 4y or my beast..

and another thing why efi a 4y. it a waste of money it like puting gold hoofs om a donkey.
know imagine the efi ya its nice untill it breaks in da bush or up a steep hill like a litle wire breaks

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:59 pm

kfxnando wrote:Franco has the perfect Hilux
give the man a Bells

Thanks alot man

scout · Post by **scout** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:22 pm

519franco wrote:
Mr_B wrote:Why not have your 4Y rebuilt, or is it already a ching chong knock off?

Then you can just EFi it! I rebuilt my 4Y myself, it cost around 4.5K to do the job 100% properly... that motor was sweet till the day I sold the bakkie!
yea 4Y thats why you sold it.
i know how you feel if i had a boring motor

Scout.
whats your bakkie for.

A) to make every trip boring (4y)
B) to have fun every time you turn that key knowing that you can do it
C)what i wana do. lexus V8 or FORD 302 v8 to have the ultimate fun my opinion but fuel is expensive

Scout.
i dont know what you want for your bakkie so i gave you some options to have fun and do something diffreance .
ask Luke whos van he wants to ride a waste of money 4y or my beast..

and another thing why efi a 4y. it a waste of money it like puting gold hoofs om a donkey.
know imagine the efi ya its nice untill it breaks in da bush or up a steep hill like a litle wire breaks

firstly i the efi will not have problems , i am putting the complete original unit in from the gwm bakkie. No aftermarket ecu's and stuff
i am looking for a reliable vehicle if i decide to do a long trip. If something realy oes wrong there will always be options available to fix it.
i drive mostly on weekends only this bakkie isn't built for speed anyway. the power available with low range is more than enough , we do not go extreme offroad and i am sure the 4y will go many places.

nothing against the ford motor -

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:11 pm

519franco wrote: it like puting gold hoofs om a donkey.

Thats funny!!

Stubs · Post by **Stubs** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:34 pm

i love my V6.......better than a 4Y EFI anyday and you can fix it, when that EFI goes in the bush you are stuffed.....

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:45 am

Stubs wrote:i love my V6.......better than a 4Y EFI anyday and you can fix it, when that EFI goes in the bush you are stuffed.....

expeshily wher i go it between rual areas

scout · Post by **scout** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:40 pm

gw motor is in.
new problems , the ecu that came with the motor is stuffed.
starts and then dies , we changed it with another gwm ecu and it starts and idles.
where will i find a ecu , looked all over at the local scrapyards nobody has got?
Iam not paying 5k for a new one.

The number on the ecu - bosch motronic - 0 261 208 078 and 20.09.07

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:26 pm

scout wrote:gw motor is in.
new problems , the ecu that came with the motor is stuffed.
starts and then dies , we changed it with another gwm ecu and it starts and idles.
where will i find a ecu , looked all over at the local scrapyards nobody has got?
Iam not paying 5k for a new one.

The number on the ecu - bosch motronic - 0 261 208 078 and 20.09.07

ouch well good luck

Rider · Post by **Rider** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:32 pm

ELectronics eish! Best of luck, at auto style they sell a Gotech ecu at around 1.5k n dictator at 2.2k (after market)

scout · Post by **scout** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:00 am

ok engine in and running
went on our first trip and realy feels good , the one injectors needs a clean and service.
got 5.9km/liter towing camping trailer. Another sfa also towing a trailer got 6.2. So I am happy so far with 5.9 with dirty/faulty injectors.
Could feel the that the efi motor had more power on 120-130 towing. At one stage i went 140 and there was more power left , with the 4y i could barely go 140 without towing.
We went to pelwana reserve near hoedspruit , so lots of mountain driving.
Will send injectors in next week and see what it does.

Rider · Post by **Rider** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:07 am

scout wrote:ok engine in and running
went on our first trip and realy feels good , the one injectors needs a clean and service.
got 5.9km/liter towing camping trailer. Another sfa also towing a trailer got 6.2. So I am happy so far with 5.9 with dirty/faulty injectors.
Could feel the that the efi motor had more power on 120-130 towing. At one stage i went 140 and there was more power left , with the 4y i could barely go 140 without towing.
We went to pelwana reserve near hoedspruit , so lots of mountain driving.
Will send injectors in next week and see what it does.

my 4Y with fong kong nikki carb i easyly get over 130-140km/h

with the old nikki i couldnt go over 120Km/h (not loaded )

scout · Post by **scout** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:36 am

remember i have lift plus 33'' on plus my old 4y was using a pint oil per 400km