Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
A few images.
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Thanx Johan for the pics, but what do these help with?
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This is what I came up with.Hope it makes sense
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
You'll find all the answers here........
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/SwayBar.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
cool will read soon as time allows
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Last night I got the other side done and please see pics below.
Front driver side - 52.5 cm (before)
Front driver side - 58.5 cm (after) - 6 cm gain
Front passenger side - 54.5 cm (before)
Front passenger side - 60 cm (after) - 5.5 cm gain
Measurements taken from below the wheel arch to the centre of the free-wheel locking hub
Next up of course will be alignment and then the longer shackles at the rear,
Will keep you guys updated on the progress.
Front driver side - 52.5 cm (before)
Front driver side - 58.5 cm (after) - 6 cm gain
Front passenger side - 54.5 cm (before)
Front passenger side - 60 cm (after) - 5.5 cm gain
Measurements taken from below the wheel arch to the centre of the free-wheel locking hub
Next up of course will be alignment and then the longer shackles at the rear,
Will keep you guys updated on the progress.
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
I read up and it makes sense, how many do you have in stock? It'll have to wait till month end though Pieter.pietpetoors wrote:The swaybar helps to stabalize the vehicle when driving on the road, prevents it from swaying.
But off-road the swaybar limits the downward travel of the control arms.
I do not have a nice picture of the effect, but I see in this month's SA4x4 they explain it very nicely with pictures of a JEEP
The info about these is at
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks ... connectsV3
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
nice one. What type of shocks is that?
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
I know that many "experts" will disagree with me, but I recon it is safe to remove the sway bar connects altogether. Before I did the solid axle conversion on my 2.7, I fitted a full Iron Man suspension (torsion bars, leaf springs,shocks and shackles) as well as 32" Coopers. But still the articulation wasn't to my liking. I did a test and removed both sway bar connects. Maybe the 32" tyres and new shocks had something to do with it but I didn't notice any swaying or drifting even at high speed. I even did my own version of the so called "moose test" as well as high speed dirt road testing and the bakkie never felt unsafe. But is it worth the effort? I would say no. I did Babilonstoring trail with the connects removed and in my opinion the gain in articulation was minimal. I still had to use diff lock on one obstacle where the SFA's went without.
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Let's not go there George came with the bakkie and they must go also.george wrote:nice one. What type of shocks is that?
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Nice Tumelo
I have two sets of those disconnects in stock but I doubt that they will go very fast.
Tumelo I would first do the rear shackles if I were you. You need to adjust the hight of the vehicle before you can do the alignment. If you do the alignment now you will have to do it again after you changed the rear shackles. Change the shackles, the adjust the front torsion bars so the nose is slightly lower than the rear (about 10mm) and then go for alignment.
Do me a favor and measure the height from the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch. Always use the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch, it is more accurate than guessing where the center of the hub is.
I have two sets of those disconnects in stock but I doubt that they will go very fast.
Tumelo I would first do the rear shackles if I were you. You need to adjust the hight of the vehicle before you can do the alignment. If you do the alignment now you will have to do it again after you changed the rear shackles. Change the shackles, the adjust the front torsion bars so the nose is slightly lower than the rear (about 10mm) and then go for alignment.
Do me a favor and measure the height from the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch. Always use the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch, it is more accurate than guessing where the center of the hub is.
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Martin, yes, there are different opinions about that. Some guys told me you wont feel the difference and others say that the vehicle may have some body roll without the sway bars. Maybe I must test it myself and see because I have not done so yet. I don't want to tell somebody to remove his sway bar and then he makes an accident.
What shocks did you have on yours ?
At the moment my current shocks in front is just long enough for the downward travel with the spacers fitted. If I remove the sway bar the shocks will prevent the control arms from moving down further so there is no use for me to fit the disconnects if I do not fit longer shocks.
What shocks did you have on yours ?
At the moment my current shocks in front is just long enough for the downward travel with the spacers fitted. If I remove the sway bar the shocks will prevent the control arms from moving down further so there is no use for me to fit the disconnects if I do not fit longer shocks.
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Pieter I had Iron Man Foam Cell shocks. I never checked the travel, maybe that was the limiting factor with the articulation.
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Cool will dopietpetoors wrote:Nice Tumelo
I have two sets of those disconnects in stock but I doubt that they will go very fast.
Tumelo I would first do the rear shackles if I were you. You need to adjust the hight of the vehicle before you can do the alignment. If you do the alignment now you will have to do it again after you changed the rear shackles. Change the shackles, the adjust the front torsion bars so the nose is slightly lower than the rear (about 10mm) and then go for alignment.
Do me a favor and measure the height from the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch. Always use the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the wheel arch, it is more accurate than guessing where the center of the hub is.
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must say i had a look at the sway bar connects and personally i dont think it is going to improve to much if you disconnect.You still have that bump stop on the top that will stop the articulation.but it will be good if you can test it Piet
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I will jack up my trokkie later today and give feedback
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
For Pieter:
Previous:
Front driver side - 52.5 cm (before)
Front driver side - 58.5 cm (after) - 6 cm gain
Front passenger side - 54.5 cm (before)
Front passenger side - 60 cm (after) - 5.5 cm gain
Measurements taken below wheel arch to bottom of rim (265/75x15 tyre @ 2.5 bar):
Driver side: 76 cm
Passenger side: 76.5, both are after ball joints - hope this helps
Previous:
Front driver side - 52.5 cm (before)
Front driver side - 58.5 cm (after) - 6 cm gain
Front passenger side - 54.5 cm (before)
Front passenger side - 60 cm (after) - 5.5 cm gain
Measurements taken below wheel arch to bottom of rim (265/75x15 tyre @ 2.5 bar):
Driver side: 76 cm
Passenger side: 76.5, both are after ball joints - hope this helps
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Just look at the shocks, it looks if it are at max lenght.
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I did not forgot to measure, I just did not have time this week.
I have to replace the front brake pads next week and then will sommer do all the measurements.
I have to replace the front brake pads next week and then will sommer do all the measurements.
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I think there is not much to gain if you do the ball joint spacers and the sway bar disconnects on the IFS, it will make it higher but doesn't help articulation, for that we need to drop the front diff and longer shoks, without this we are going to experience CV axle binding as explained on http://www.4crawler.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;george wrote:must say i had a look at the sway bar connects and personally i dont think it is going to improve to much if you disconnect.You still have that bump stop on the top that will stop the articulation.but it will be good if you can test it Piet
By adding shims to the bump stops you are effectively reducing your downward articulation, BUT IS NECESSARY IF YOU DO NOT LOWER YOUR FRONT DIFF!
Im doing mine tonight and will take some pictures
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I ve put some ball joint spacers 4 cm and dropped my torsion bars makes a huge difference on my down wards is there any thing spesific i should look at
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donkey what does your van mesure at the back? mine mesured 390mm before the extended shackles and 410mm after that is from the top of the rim to the wheel arch
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Re: Suspension upgrade on a KZ-TE
Will measure and advise you but remember the rear is still standard?
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jip thats what we would like to know, want to see how your kz compares to mine before and after.Donkey wrote:Will measure and advise you but remember the rear is still standard?
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Update please
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Eish been busy and so forgot, apologies. I can post on Sat morning.
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We don't stop playing because we grow old, but we grow old because we stop playing!
2002 - 3.0KZ-TE Toyota Hilux (Letebele)
1994 - 1.6i Gl Toyota Corolla (Platkar)
1990 - Gli TwinCam 16v (ZuluBoy)
Donkey, simple and often misunderstood.
We don't stop playing because we grow old, but we grow old because we stop playing!
2002 - 3.0KZ-TE Toyota Hilux (Letebele)
1994 - 1.6i Gl Toyota Corolla (Platkar)
1990 - Gli TwinCam 16v (ZuluBoy)