Hysteer modification for SFA

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Anybody made any progress with regards to a local (RHD) hysteer conversion?
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Waiting for feedback from Manie, Allan did a losteer cross-over conversion on his lux... but it appears the turbo has interfered with a CV joint over the weekend...

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Thanks for the update.

A turbo interfering with a CV? weird

reminds me of my mate who was in a race and when I asked him how it went he said "car broke down, electrical problem - rod came through the block and knocked off the alternator!"
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Similar issue!
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I had a good look at that crossover conversion at Allan erarlier this week. Very slim plan that & considering the costs of the import stuff, most definately the way to go. Will just wait for them to test further and then......... :thumbup:
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Steve my thought was to make a 'kit' of sorts out of it, I would prefer the steering box to sit a little higher, therefore necessitating a bracket of sorts... that way the pitman arm and nut will be bit further out of harms way...

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Mr_B wrote:my thought was to make a 'kit' of sorts out of it,
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Sartan... sorry Spartan... :twisted: my thought is for me to experiment, remember my steering is already poefies, and then once we've got a 100% solution, then make the blue-print available for all to see, copy and improve... Allan's setup is very simple, and simple is great, but I'd like to attempt to something just slightly different... complicate it like only an Engelsman can do...

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Mr_B wrote: but I'd like to attempt to something just slightly different... complicate it like only an Engelsman can do...

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Mr_B wrote:Steve my thought was to make a 'kit' of sorts out of it, I would prefer the steering box to sit a little higher, therefore necessitating a bracket of sorts... that way the pitman arm and nut will be bit further out of harms way...

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Spartan wrote:
Mr_B wrote:my thought was to make a 'kit' of sorts out of it,
Engelsman dit sal iemand betroubaar moet wees soos Hoppy of Hi-Hilux, jy praat net oor sulke goed :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Ek sal met liefde help, maar julle sal my eers moet se wate hel is n Hysteer???? :eh:
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Jy moet lees sakkie, dit is wanneer die hele steering meganisme bo die vere sit in stede van onder die vere waar hulle kan seerkry. Om die goed te maak is nie so groot issue nie, dit is die tyd en n lekker workshop soos wat jy het om dit te maak waar die probleem inkom. Werks plek en tools het ek maar dit is die tyd en die geografiese ligging wat my van my goed skei op die oomblik, En die engelsman is net onbetroubaar punt :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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hi-hilux wrote:Ek sal met liefde help
Jy kan n hoop geld maak en n goeie diens lewer, sonder om die manne te roof soos die 4x4 shops, as jy sulke goed begin maak wat werk en dit vir die local mark, dit is hoe ARB begin het, in sy garage, en jy weet die goed is reg want jy toets hulle mos eers op jou blou Van :twisted: en van daaraf is dit mos net copy en paste. Daar in Suid-Wes het julle mos baie tyd :twisted: jy adverteer op die internet en die manne bestel oor die net, jou geld is veilig want niks word gestuur voor die velle nie in die bank is en bevestig is nie, jy het nie n winkel nodig wat jou ook geld kos nie, jy het mos n workshop, en die ouens kom na jou toe nie anders om nie. :idea: :idea:
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Ok :problem: I'll retract my offer and leave it in your hands... :wink:
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Mr_B wrote:Ok :problem: I'll retract my offer and leave it in your hands... :wink:
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Ok ok... forgiven... but next time... I kill you... met 'n brood mes!

With permission from Allan... here are pics of the conversion on Manie's monster:
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Vely vely nice job Allen. En die fotos is ook baie nice B, ek trek my woorde terug jy is nie so bad soos die koerant sê nie :twisted: en n broodmes werk nie in n gun fight nie :twisted: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks guys for offering to help pay the bill too. The rest will be written off by Allen to advertising costs :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Maniac wrote:Thanks guys for offering to help pay the bill too. The rest will be written off by Allen to advertising costs :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
You know if we stick together and start doing all of this our-selfs and share info we will cut allot of cost, maybe get one or two guy's that is setup all-ready and support him and get a beter price for being part of the clan we will do the same as the guy's abroad and have a brilliant product that work, made for us by us like they did. :idea: :idea: What says you :?: :?:
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Mr_B wrote:Ok ok... forgiven... but next time... I kill you... met 'n brood mes!

With permission from Allan... here are pics of the conversion on Manie's monster:

Happier now? :twisted:
Just for correctness sake ... those pics are an example of LOW-STEER x-over steering because even though the draglink is high, the tie-rod is still below the leaf packs. :wink:

For further interest even a millimetre fault on the length or angle of the home-made steering arms will result in incorrect steering geometry. Those values are absolutely critical and if incorrect will result in toe-in or toe-out on turns even once the alignment has been set. :problem:
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Mud Dog wrote:
Mr_B wrote:Ok ok... forgiven... but next time... I kill you... met 'n brood mes!

With permission from Allan... here are pics of the conversion on Manie's monster:

Happier now? :twisted:
Just for correctness sake ... those pics are an example of LOW-STEER x-over steering because even though the draglink is high, the tie-rod is still below the leaf packs. :wink:

For further interest even a millimetre fault on the length or angle of the home-made steering arms will result in incorrect steering geometry. Those values are absolutely critical and if incorrect will result in toe-in or toe-out on turns even once the alignment has been set. :problem:

Yes, and that is why the low steer conversion is easier, because you do not touch the tie-rod, so wheel alignment is not affected.
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Of course it is easier .... I only make the comment to avoid confusion because nowhere does lo-steer get mentioned and the topic line refers to hi-steer. :wink:
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Sorry Andy, I mentioned in the previous discussion that Manie's setup is lo-steer, and Manie is right... this conversion makes alot of sense simply because it does not alters the steering geometry, with the removal of the draglink the steering is also more direct, which many people prefer... I would like to do this same conversion on Bolt... fact is that a good condition 2nd hand SFA steering box costs 5K+ and the full seals recon kit costs 4.5K alone... an excellent condition IFS steering box(as used in this conversion) costs 2.5K... the IFS steering box bolts on to the SFA using existing chassis mounting holes... so essentially one new steering link is made up(from the pitman arm to the rhs steering arm) and the rhs steering arm is modified to accept a tie-rod joint...

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Ja nee, Bretton ... I'm aware of all the ins and outs ... covered the issue long ago with BlumTRD's conversion. Of course the lo-steer is easier and less modification required. In some cases there is not even a steering arm modification made to accept the new x-over draglink, the steering damper can be removed and the new link is just bolted onto the tie-rod where the damper was. Alternately a new mounting point can be made on the tie-rod.

Many ways of doing this. :wink:

The advantage of hi-steer is that the tie-rod is lifted out of harm's way .... how many guys have damaged tie-rods in rocky terrain? :think:
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Luckily I do not do any extreme driving, so I have never managed to make marks on the tie rod. The nice thing is the turning circle have been decreased dramatically ( or it feels like it anyhow ) and when I drive over a bump the autoted reaction of steering to the opposite side now lands me on the pavement :twisted:
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No doubt about it Manie, it's a better system than the old push / pull setup .... don't know why Toyota never changed it right in the early years. There is also no doubt that we will see a lot more of these conversions as the old steering boxes start giving hassles. :wink:
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hi ek het nog n linker arm van die cross link gevat en altwee plat geskim en back too back op makaar vas geboud met daai taper washers tussen in en dit werk soo n bom kan nou die stuur wiel los op die hiway en die bakkie bly in die pad
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Update,

As suggested in Missouri Man's conversion, the nuts in the chassis are not up to the challenge. Mine are now bushes instead of nuts :beg:

Will be doin some welding and grinding on the weekend to make the setup better. Also the steering box DOES sit too low, needs another 20mm movement upwards, because leafsprings does not like folding over steering boxes.

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Hi Manie,

I am looking forward to those pics, this is something I would really like to do now that my truck is stripped
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I am also keen on doing this. What happened to your torque rod?
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Gunta wrote:I am also keen on doing this. What happened to your torque rod?
Torque rod can be dispensed with on a cross over steering .... no more bump steer issues and even axle tramp has little or no significant effect on the steering. It just gets in the way anyway. ;-)
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Torque rod...Gone...not needed anymore...was only there to prevent axle from twisting and causing the steering to be "turned" by it. The axle now works like the rear axle

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Manie, I take it the photos are still following?? ..... something..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

Post by krazy_kameleon »

Yeah Manie, you are keeping us hanging...

I would really like to do this conversion now while my truck is stripped and I'm rebuilding the axle
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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ThysdJ wrote:Manie, I take it the photos are still following?? ..... something..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Ja Thys...ek hoor jou
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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The pics showed are Cross Steering
not Hi-Steer
Lower beam needs to be above the spring pack

To do Full Hi-steer you need these arms
And as the pics show you need an ifs steering box

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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Maniac wrote:Ja Thys...ek hoor jou
En ek sien jou... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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ThysdJ wrote:
Maniac wrote:Ja Thys...ek hoor jou
En ek sien jou... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Yes and I saw you too... :twisted:

Thanks Manie, I'm going to make a bracket like that as well... I would like to find a way to mount the steering box a little higher, get the steering box pitman arm nut/shaft a lift more out the way of the leaf pack!
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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BlumTRD wrote:The pics showed are Cross Steering
not Hi-Steer
Lower beam needs to be above the spring pack

To do Full Hi-steer you need these arms
And as the pics show you need an ifs steering box
Fully correct
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Mr_B wrote:
ThysdJ wrote:
Maniac wrote:Ja Thys...ek hoor jou
En ek sien jou... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Yes and I saw you too... :twisted:

Thanks Manie, I'm going to make a bracket like that as well... I would like to find a way to mount the steering box a little higher, get the steering box pitman arm nut/shaft a lift more out the way of the leaf pack!
Bretton, soos myne nou is in vergelyking met hoe hy was is 1000% beter. As jy die ou fotos vergelyk sal jy sien. Ek het probeer om die pitman te laat raak, met geen geluk
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Hi, baie goeie idees gesien. Ek is in die begin staduim om 'n Pajero met IFS om te bou na 'n Hilux SFA, maar poog om kronkelvere te gebruik. Die Pajero se IFS is soortgelyks aan die bullnose van Toyota, inteendeel lyk dit of Toyota die idees van Pajero gekopieer het ! Sou ek die projek suksesvol deurvoer, kan die idee van 'n SFA op die bullnose ook werk. Nou by die pitkos, ek is gelukkig dat die diff ratio op die agterste ewenaar van die pajero ook 4.875 is. Die SFA word omgebou na cross over steer, maw ek gebruik die pajero se powersteer. Al probleem wat hier pla is dat die tie rod op die pitman arm baie beperkte beweging toelaat. Land rover coils,panard rod en drag kinks word gebruik. Spasie vir die panard rod is baie beperk,maar daar is ook 'n plan te maak. Alle brackets wat die IFS ondersteun is reeds afgesny, al wat ek behou het is die steerbox brackets, maar die lineere hoek van die box moet ook verander word. Tyd is baie beperk en die projek sal sekerlik 'n paar maande neem. Fase 2 is 'n V8 rover 3.9 met die 5 spd box van toy en fase 3 is die cab van die RN series van Toy. Die pajero onderstel is 'n swb .
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Sluit sommer 'n paar fotos in sodat ons kan sien wat jy daar aanvang! :D: ;-)
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Re: Hysteer modification for SFA

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Dalk kan iemand my vertel hoe om foto's hier af te laai vanaf my selfoon'n nokia E72. Huidiglik is dit maar nog net 'n afsny en skoonmaak proses. Ja, ek weet van julle ouens sal seker nie veel beindruk wees met 'n Rover V8 nie, maar ek gebruik die enjin omdat ek alreeds in besit is van 'n redelike enjin met bypassende belhousing. My ondervinding is dat 'n rover maar effe aan die flou kant is vir werklike krag en is die balans in 'n Hilux nie veel uit verhouding nie. Ek sou hou van 'n Lexus UZ3, maar elektronika, verkoeling en gearbox probleme laat my koud. Ek het 'n Safari box oorweeg, maar die is net 'n 4 spd en die bellhousing na die rover is nie beskikbaar by Gilo eng nie. Ander probleem is die hilux transfer na die safari box. Jul ouens moet onthou ek bly naby Keetmanshoop in namibia en al wat maklik verkrygbaar hier is, is coke en chips.
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