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Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:24 am

Jees before you get a freight I am not sure if this is what you call it . One of our forum members visited me on Saturday and he mentioned something that really baffles my mind.

On the back axle of the KZ there is a funny thingy which is connected to the body with a lever (Will take a photo tonight)
the other side is linked to the brake system.
What I was told id this acts or compensate if your bin is loaded or not thus applying more or less rear brakes.

My question I have done a Ironman suspension lift and I cannot remember Hi Q saying or doing anything on this thingy to compensate for the 50mm lift.
I must admit since I did the mod my brakes were bollie as I fitted powerbrakes at the front but still the brakes are not what they should be.

Is this possibly the cause for my poor braking performance?

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Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:36 am

Frik, as far as I know they sharpen the brakes, the more you load as the back end pushes down, so with the lift you will have to make the arm longer, maybe just by adjusting it. but if the lift is further than what it can be adjusted, you will have to make an extention.

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Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:50 am

Frik. As jy raised suspension het moet daai outjie verseker gestel word. Mens roep die load balancing valve (ek dink).

Dit is maar 'n geval van adjust en toets. In sekere gevalle sal jy actually daai armpie moet langer maak. Elke keer wat jy hom stel wil jy hom toets want jy wil nie 'n geval kry waar jou agterwiele lock voor jou voorwiele lock nie :shock:
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Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:22 pm

CasKru wrote:Frik. As jy raised suspension het moet daai outjie verseker gestel word. Mens roep die load balancing valve (ek dink).

Dit is maar 'n geval van adjust en toets. In sekere gevalle sal jy actually daai armpie moet langer maak. Elke keer wat jy hom stel wil jy hom toets want jy wil nie 'n geval kry waar jou agterwiele lock voor jou voorwiele lock nie :shock:
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:28 am

BenHur wrote:Ag kom nou blommie Hiluxe se agterbrieke is nie so sleg nie, jy kan maklik agter wiele sleep as die loadbin nie vol landrover spares lê wat ons langs die pad optel nie.


Frik loer hierso daar is prentjies en als oor die Load Sensing Propositioning Valve


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Bennie baie dankie wat sal ek nou met myself aanvang naweke as ek nie die tipe info het nie. EK wou mos se die ding se brieke is up to sh%t even nadat ek die power brakes opgesit het. Ek sal n 6mm rod inweld die naweek en dan die fyn verstelling doen so oor n tydperk.
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:47 am

Frik

Toe ek en Cassie by Eric was het on bulldog sin gedoen in 'n paar minute. Ons het sommer by 'n bolts en nuts plek een van daai lang moere gekoop en 'n stukkie treaded rod. Toe draai ons die lang moer op die bestaande armpie vas en draai die treaded rod anderkant in en voilà die arm is langer.

Ons het hoem toe opgestel sover ons gedink het nodig is met die oog en toe so bietjie. Een draai om die blok het ons vasgestel dat die agterbrieke nou werk want hulle sleep sommer gou gou. Daarna het ons dit so paar draaie per keer slapper gemaak todat die agterwiele so net net wou sleep as jy haar dood rem. Dit alles het so 3-4 tries gevat.

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BenHur wrote:Frik

Toe ek en Cassie by Eric was het on bulldog sin gedoen in 'n paar minute. Ons het sommer by 'n bolts en nuts plek een van daai lang moere gekoop en 'n stukkie treaded rod. Toe draai ons die lang moer op die bestaande armpie vas en draai die treaded rod anderkant in en voilà die arm is langer.

Ons het hoem toe opgestel sover ons gedink het nodig is met die oog en toe so bietjie. Een draai om die blok het ons vasgestel dat die agterbrieke nou werk want hulle sleep sommer gou gou. Daarna het ons dit so paar draaie per keer slapper gemaak todat die agterwiele so net net wou sleep as jy haar dood rem. Dit alles het so 3-4 tries gevat.
Dankie Bennie ek sal vanmiddag begin ek het twee bokse vol nuts en skroewe seker ek sal iets he.

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Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:38 am

Bennie het gisteraand die extension gedoen alles met links en dit maak n mo#@#se verskil ek kon dit nie glo nie voel soos my Audi se brieke . Jammer ek het nie lankal besef daar was fout met my brieke nie.

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Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:56 pm

Mmmmm....Frik, John told you that after I realised my brakes are up to sh!t; After hiting a Benz...

Gedink op 'n 3mm plaatjie, so 70mm lank op die bracket op die diff vas te bout en dan die bestaande bracket op die plaatjie vas te bout?
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Ek sien by Proporsional valve is tot heelbo geskuif. Dink dis tyd om bietjie te kyk om die valve af te bring sodat die wiele weer kan rem, want hy is lui om te stop....
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Thabogrobler wrote:Mmmmm....Frik, John told you that after I realised my brakes are up to sh!t; After hiting a Benz...

Gedink op 'n 3mm plaatjie, so 70mm lank op die bracket op die diff vas te bout en dan die bestaande bracket op die plaatjie vas te bout?

Nee man daai long nut idee is baie makliker. Eric neem tog 'n foto van Bulldog sin en post dit hier vir ons asb. Frik het jy die bout gesny en gelas of ook so longnut gebruik?

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BenHur wrote:
Thabogrobler wrote:Mmmmm....Frik, John told you that after I realised my brakes are up to sh!t; After hiting a Benz...

Gedink op 'n 3mm plaatjie, so 70mm lank op die bracket op die diff vas te bout en dan die bestaande bracket op die plaatjie vas te bout?

Nee man daai long nut idee is baie makliker. Eric neem tog 'n foto van Bulldog sin en post dit hier vir ons asb. Frik het jy die bout gesny en gelas of ook so longnut gebruik?
Ons het foto's geneem van dit op 'n stadium en dit is hier iewers op die forum
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Thanks Eric.

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Nou waar is die 224.... :oops:

Sorry, nou waar kry ek so longnut?
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Thabogrobler wrote:Sorry, nou waar kry ek so longnut?
Bennie bly in Pta :twisted: :lol:

Jy behoort dit relatief maklik by enige harde ware winkel te kry wat spesialiseer in fasteners. As ek reg onthou het ons daai een gaan koop bly 'n plek soortgelyk aan Adendorfs
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Enige plek met bolts, nuts of fastners in hulle naam behoort jou te kan help.

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Dis hoe ek en my seun dit gedoen het .Dankie vir jou hulp Bennie
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Baie netjies Frik
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fanks Frik. Pieter het sommer jou kiekie ook bygelaai op my artikle.

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BenHur wrote:fanks Frik. Pieter het sommer jou kiekie ook bygelaai op my artikle.

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Dis goed so solank alamal dit kan gebruik :D
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Jitte Frik,

Dis soos myne ook mos moet lyk! Baie netjies!
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:58 am

I adjusted my bakkie's brake distribution whatever valve as well today. But while doing it I gave it some thought.

The purpose of this valve is to get more braking power on the rear brakes when the vehicle is loaded. This make sense especially in heavy and articulated vehicles.

But my concerns are:
1. A double cab's ass easily hangs when loaded because you load everything behind the rear axle. So if you load 500Kg on a double cab it will hang the same as a single cab with 1200Kg on its back. So obviously this valve will not adjust the brakes correctly on a double cab.

2. If your van's springs are shot the ass will hang as well telling the valve that it is loaded all the time and you will have more braking power at the back than usual. If you lift the vehicle or reset the springs a bit more than standard it actually becomes a bit dangerous because you might end up with no brakes at the back.

Especially on a double cab is it not better then to have no brake distribution valve at all and always have the same amount of brakes at the back? Does this thing really have a purpose on a double cab?
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:32 pm

Pieter. THis is just a guess but the valve on the double cab is probably not the same as the one the single cab. But beside this, you don't want to remove it all together. You rather want less brakes on the rear than in front and not vice versa. Because you don't want the rear wheels to lock up before the front wheels. This will induce a side ways slide which is much more difficult to control than having the front wheels lock and sliding in a straight line. m2cw
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:53 pm

Cassie, if it is not there at all the master cylinder will anyway do either a 50/50 split or 40% rear and 60% front.
Cars and some bakkies do not have the valve and they manage without it.

You also do not want too much brakes on the front because then your front wheels will lock very easily even with the mildest application.
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:51 pm

Your front wheels would not lock too fast but your van's overall braking effort seriously gets influenced negatively if the rears does not do their job properly and your front disks and pads will not last as long as it is supposed to. This valve works really well if it is set up properly, but you are right many people do not keep it in mind when the lift their suspension or reset their blades and thus you do not have proper brakes in the rear.

If you adjust your brakes without this valve to be working good and you hook a trailer you will not have the extra stopping power in the back that you would require and the same is true with a load.

Keep your valve, adjust it properly and your brakes will be fine.

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