ford 4speed box

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:14 pm

Does anyone know how a ford v6 bullet gearbox will take the strain of a 350 chev v8?

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:59 pm

Idont think the gearbox wil last.I broke one in my cortina bakkie.I'll rather go for a cressida 5speed gearbox.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:17 pm

DO YOU THINK THE CRESSIDA BOX WILL TAKE 400NM OF TORQUE?

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:31 pm

It is a strong box,but it depends if you going to tow something like a caravan.but for normal driving it should be fine.Im not an expert on this ,but had two in my vehicles and no problems.Also heard of some people that used it on a v8 and it last.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:48 pm

OK MAN SOUNDS GOOD THANKS FOR THE HELP

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:47 am

Pampoen

If you want to go manual get yourself a borg warner T5 gearbox (speak to the guys at Gearmax) or else go for a v8 Autobox.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:54 am

Neither the Cressida nor the Ford g/b will last if you plan on doing any kind of serious 4x4-ing. Especially not if you start putting on big wheels. Go the T5 g/b route as Bennie suggested.

:D

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:02 pm

you guys rock

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:05 pm

Luke,what car/bakkie do you drive ?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:30 am

legend35 wrote:Luke,what car/bakkie do you drive ?

Our young friend Luke here doesnt drive anything at the moment..

He can't make up his mind about what motor to put in his "Old Dondered Toyota hilux fet tekkies black rims" :!: :!:

:D

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:05 pm

I thougt his playing with something els.Stick to Toyota,less problems.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:54 pm

No no shes on the road again..I think one tends to talk to much ca*% when no one can see you so ill keep quiet

:D

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:50 am

That's a nice looking bakkie Luke. What are you doing about a front bumper/bullbar?

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:44 pm

I see you alo replaced the petrol cap with one of those Tazz jobbies. I had to do the same, when I filled up with petrol ad only realised 40km further they didn't replace it. :evil: LuckilyI managed to get mine back, as Toyota quote me R 1000 for a replacement! :evil: :evil:

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:44 pm

well heres the bull bar i got for quiet cheap,it had been in an accident so i cut off the bottom mounts cos they were twisted the opposite way.

heres the mount to the mount on to the bakkie,hopefully it should be mounted and redy for sand blasting by mon.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:48 pm

Ya the same thing happened to me..i drove off without the fuel cap..but mine didnt lock so it probably was better now that this one locks..

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:23 pm

Luke,nice bakkie and nice vet takkies.but why so much power?

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:32 pm

I hate bmw X5s,now imagine out pulling an X5 OR a an m3.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:34 pm

in vehicle double there age

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:44 pm

Now i see.sounds good to me,allso dislike them.I cant wait to see when your done.You must send us some picks on the progress of the mod.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:43 am

Luke I see you have a recovery hook on the front.

On a Hilux that is not necessary, the recovery hook goes on the BACK of the vehicle..

Nice job dude!!

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:03 am

thats not a recovery hook its a nose

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:13 am

pampoen wrote:thats not a recovery hook its a nose

Well then wipe it, it looks like something is hanging off it..

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:57 pm

Nah... he has to put a hook in front if he intends fitting the Ford <shudder> gearbox... :evil:

-F_D

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:12 pm

Family_BullDog wrote:Nah... he has to put a hook in front if he intends fitting the Ford <shudder> gearbox... :evil:
-F_D

Naahh Eric he's not going to do that... are you now Luke??

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:53 pm

lol no im using a mazda gearbox....

lolnot really whatever takes the power of the v8...

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:33 pm

I think the front hook is for thewindgat X5's that is stuck in the mud,to pull them back out of the sh?t.

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:59 pm

I've never seen any X5 even attempt anything that even closely resembles mud! They run and hide lng before the tar road ends...

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:05 am

guys if you see a chev 350 v8 for sale,whether in an old car or on its own please let me know.
thanks

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:02 pm

Luke, I spoke to guy at the V8 Shoppe in Alberton. He recons the cheapest way to get a Chevy V8 is to buy a "cut out". They sell them for about R 7500 (they guarante that it's rebuildable) and he recons you spend the same on it to have a nice reliable motor. They should have stock again later this month or in April.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:07 pm

A 350 chevvy is not going to run out dice a x5 or 3 series, for that you need a wagon like SupraLuxBul's 7MGTE

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:36 pm

Ek dink die V8 sal die X5 gas gee op die 4x4 track,maar nie op die pad nie.maar as hy bietjie speel met die enjin ,dan is dit n baie gewillige enjin.

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:50 pm

I agree with Bennie, Luke. Remember, an X5 is not built for offroading and a 'Lux is not built for dicing. It's going to take lots and lots of money to upgrade every single drivetrain component to take the strain of a maxed V8. And my personal experience is that the guy in the M3 or X5 is going to think you're a wannabee and so is all the other people on the road - even if you outdrag them! :x The guy driving the Porche doesn't care if the Golf outdrags him - he's still going home with the chick!

I'm thinking of a V8 myself, but not for dicing. It's purely so I can keep doing 120 on the open road and have the power to climb the obsticles.

Don't go over the top, but rather stick to what all 'Luxes were made for. Remember, offroad the X5 is the "wannabee"...

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:55 am

its just a dream hey..lets not pick it to death :evil: :evil: :evil: but yea your right,it probably wont beat an x5.........dam :?what v8 were you looking at getting

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:19 am

legend35 wrote:Ek dink die V8 sal die X5 gas gee op die 4x4 track,maar nie op die pad nie.maar as hy bietjie speel met die enjin ,dan is dit n baie gewillige enjin.

I think even my Hilux with the 1800 (2Y) engine in will give an X5 Gas in real offroad scenarios, but on a drag type dice a V8 supped up enough to catch it will be so overpowered it will rip a lux apart, but a nice 7MGTE will do a very an excellent job as a street racer. Ask Ewald, he will tell you, that thing is so fast it is scary.

Scorpion

I am with you, long past the dicing stage but I see Like is still young and at that age testosterone levels are higher then good sense.

Luke do not worry we all were itching at one stage, nothing wrong with it, at least when you get older you will have something to look back upon. Stuff good sense fit whatever gives you a hardy and enjoy it while you do not have much other worries. If you want too much power offroad to rally around like a madman then fit the V8 or if you want to have a street dice then fit a turbo engine and some gas if you are really serious. Just make sure you upgrade the brakes as well or fit a parachute at the back

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:57 pm

ok dude

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:30 pm

Luke, I'm investigating a Chevy 350 at the moment. Like I said I don't want a firebreather, I'm just looking for a unstrained, reliable and torquey motor. I have to choose between the V8 and a 7M-GE Supra motor. At this stage it looks like the V8 won't be much more expensive initially, but I'm worried about the drivetrain components. The 3 liter Supra motor should make about 140kW, while the V8 would be over 200kW, so you can see why I'm concerned. My 2.2 4Y probably makes 60kW, so more than tripling te power will have consequences... :x :x

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:36 pm

Theres a guy i know that has a chev 308 hes got an auto gearbox on normal hilux axles with 35s man that thing kicks ass,man it goes and i suspect its as relaible as the 2,2

Post by **Family_Dog** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:00 pm

Chev smallblock for sale...

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sho ... hp?t=17620

-F_D

Cookie Monster · Post by **Cookie Monster** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:57 am

MMM I think all this X5 stuff has got my head spinning

I have to work with these things all day really dont want to talk about them on the HILUX forum. However I think the point here is that a HILUX is a OFFROAD vechile with some on road capability and a X5 is a onroad vechile with some off road capability (limited but Surprising).

Some facts about the current X5

3.0si Top Speed 210km/h governed with 200kW and 315Nm of torque 0-100 is 8.1 seconds fuel consumption 10.9 l/100km
3.0sd Top Speed 235km/h governed with 200kW and 565Nm of torque 0-100 is 7 seconds fuel consumption is 8.2l/100km
4.8i Top Speed is 240km/h governed with 261kW and 475Nm od torgue 0-100 is 6.5 seconds fuel consumption is 12.5l/100km

So it is clear unless you have a really serious motor under the bonnet of the Lux even the smallest X5 will piepie on you on the tar

and even if you do have serious power like SupraLuxBul's 7MGTE you end up with the fact that driving over 140km/h is like dancing with the devil

due to lack of handling and stopping power! Though I could think of nothing better then pulling up next to my MD with my van and making his name mud with a 18 year old Hilux

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:31 am

Cookie Monster Bull wrote:3.0si / 200kW / 315Nm

Now wouldnt THAT be a sweet motor to put in a Lux? I know that motor is VERY smooth and powerful. I have one in my 130i..

Cookie Monster · Post by **Cookie Monster** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:36 am

I thought I would fit a 328i motor at 154kW however getting a bell housing addapter is going to be a problem and then at the end of the day it will not be a toyota anymore

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:41 am

Cookie Monster Bull wrote:getting a bell housing addapter is going to be a problem

Is that so? Damn.. :!:

Cookie Monster Bull wrote:at the end of the day it will not be a toyota anymore

I am not too phazed about that. :| :|

Post by **Family_Dog** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:58 pm

Kaspaas wrote:
Cookie Monster Bull wrote:at the end of the day it will not be a toyota anymore
I am not too phazed about that. :| :|

-F_D

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:45 am

Family_BullDog wrote:
Kaspaas wrote: I am not too phazed about that. :| :|

-F_D

Ahem.. lemme think about that a little while here....

I am still not too phazed about that.

:D

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:51 pm

Kaspaas wrote:
Family_BullDog wrote:
Kaspaas wrote: I am not too phazed about that. :| :|

-F_D
Ahem.. lemme think about that a little while here....

I am still not too phazed about that. :D

F_D gets out his little Black Book and makes a serious mark against Kaspaas' name. Then he looks at the pile of Yellow Tickets next to him and begins to wonder...

-F_D

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:55 pm

Family_BullDog wrote:F_D gets out his little Black Book and makes a serious mark against Kaspaas' name. Then he looks at the pile of Yellow Tickets next to him and begins to wonder...

How long do you want to stretch this out Eric?

I am still not too phazed.....

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 pm

hmmm.....!!

[Wonders if the newly-formed Hilux Police (replacements for the Scorpions) should perhaps pay Kaspaas a visit.... perhaps break an arm or two.... ]

-F_D

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:24 pm

[Wonders if the newly-formed Hilux Police (replacements for the Scorpions) should perhaps pay Kaspaas a visit.... perhaps break an arm or two.... ]

I'd go for the kneecaps. He can still drive with broken arms

Post by **Family_Dog** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:50 pm

CasKru wrote:
[Wonders if the newly-formed Hilux Police (replacements for the Scorpions) should perhaps pay Kaspaas a visit.... perhaps break an arm or two.... ]
I'd go for the kneecaps. He can still drive with broken arms

Yes....

Good point...

-F_D

SYRON CONVERSIONS · Post by **SYRON CONVERSIONS** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:20 pm

Whatever upgrade engine you decide on, you will have to also consider upgrading your propshafts if you want to out perform a BM. Have you considered the fitment of a Colt Rodea 3 Liter engine V 6, with these engines you can even go futher and fit a Voltex 2 Super Charger, free flow exhaust, inter cooler and piggy back chip, once fitted you should get round about 228 kilo watts at the flywheel.
An auto box and special adapter plate, otherwise throw out the Hilux transfer case and fit a single comp-lete trasnsfer case maybe from a Tracker or Safari.

However whatever engine replacement you do, you will have to have mega $$$$$$ available otherwise you will not complete this project correctly.

You must do your home work as well and make sure that your diff ratio's are correct for the engine up grade and output, you must remember that not all Hilux's have the same diff ratio's.

4.875
4.55
4.29

Have fun........

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:26 pm

Yea sheesh man

im not made of money and besides its either Toy,Chev,or the Ford v6 or v8.But yea im trying to work things out to keep things simple.Going the Auto way means fitting an oil cooler and the lack of ratios is gonna be hard for off roading but who wants to go slow off road hey

......especially with a v8.It will mean just an adaptor plate though as well as and if i go auto it should keep my origional proppies and diff intact a little longer,anyway ill see,the time is coming apon me to de rust my baby so i might spend a little on that and maybe a suB and an amp after that.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:32 am

Family_BullDog wrote:hmmm.....!!

[Wonders if the newly-formed Hilux Police (replacements for the Scorpions) should perhaps pay Kaspaas a visit.... perhaps break an arm or two.... ]

-F_D

Bring them on.... I am still not too phazed... (even though I am getting ready to run.. )

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:08 am

Scorpion just wanted to know if youve found your v8 yet?

and do any of you guys know how much power the hilux axles can take,ive read there pretty strong and were built to take alot of strain,but maye one of you guys can clasify that. 8)

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:26 am

Depending on how you drive. If you treat them well they should be strong enough but for serious off roading I would recommend lockers because if one wheel is spinning and suddenly gains grip you are going to twist and eventually break it. This will also happen with smaller engines but with the power of the 8 it may just happen so much faster.

Also an auto box would put less strain then a manual on the axles...

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:46 pm

what auto box would you recommmend?a friend of mine said 4spd autos had an overdrive that was unreliable.Would a cressida box work or maybe a cruiser petrol box?

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:44 pm

Not sure but I know the you can buy a Lexus V8 with its auto (tiptronic) box as a unit from many jap engine importers

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:49 am

Howzit, Luke. The search is on hold for a bit, as I'm in Germany at the moment, but will continue once I'm back. I've found a guy in Krugersdorp that has done quite a few V8 conversions (Chevy and Lexus) to Hiluxes, but I haven't managed to speak to him yet. I'll let you know what he says when I'm back next week.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:46 pm

Ok man thanks..injoy ur holiday. :D

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:21 pm

Visiting inlaws is definitely not a holiday!

Anyway, I'll be back on Friday and then be able to continue the search...