Hilux 4x4 Forum

Naas I think you are getting vibration on the centre bearing in first gear. There are guys fitting a solid prop to get away from the centre bearing vibration and it works well.

Gunta I was just thinking of that today. Great minds think alike lol. Even if the centre bearing is fine it ma be to weak for the v8 torque in first. I think toyota moved away from the straight one to gain better clearance under the belly and to the rear. This may be an option. My 84 stout is still straight from the transfer. This should have a better angle on the diff with my lift. But the angle on the transfer side will increase.

What do tou think of improving the centre bearing to a more heavey duty one from a cruiser or something??

IMHO - Get a genuine part and balance all together... before then I replaced centre bearings almost every 10 thousand kms...

Sounds sensable. I know the one I have on there is a cheap aftermarket one I think. Also saw on the weekend the universal nuckles were not aligned right criss cross as they should be. All these small things add to the issue I think.

Thanks for the advise. What about centre bearing being 100% straight with box when looking from behind or rear of bakkie?

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote: Also saw on the weekend the universal nuckles were not aligned right criss cross as they should be. All these small things add to the issue I think.

If they were out of phase then definately it will cause vibrations etc. The propshaft Co must have slipped up

No Im just asking, dint check the alignment, but will let it be checked when I get it back.

Gaan vir n reguit prop geen probleme op myne nie , sien pic

David. Geen Pic nie? Stuur asb weer, sal graag wil sien. Baie dankie

Jammer Naas tapatalk werk nie lekker saam vandag nie

Stuur my sommer n text met sel dan stuur ek vir jou foto Zero72-----527--------Two--000

Naas you can also have it modified to take a double cardan joint which will actualy work better and put less strain on the bearing at the back of the gearbox. I used the original centre bearing from toyota but it still lasted only about 40k km. I would definitely look at doing the mod.

David, nice talking to you, good talking about these things

Mark explain please, sounds like a plan. Double cardan??

Thanks

basically you make the rear prop the same as the front just longer...

looking into doing this myself

now if only I could get my hands on a couple of cardon joints

O yes ok. Had the chance to buy one but passed , eish. Will see what I will do.

Theo. spoke with Mark late this afternoon. He was at the funural today so could not speak. And is going to the other tomorrow. Not good times. He did mention you have the latest spitronics. Venus if i recall. He also asked to mention that the cowling is in or back from powdercoating. Can not remember sry. He will be back to normal thursday, but his guys are plowing on.

Mine will hopefully be back from aircon tomorrow afternoon. Then he can tacle the other stuff. Hoping to get it friday late or sat early.

Ok thanks Naas.

Here is the longer prop that I received back today. Note the double joint, no centre bearing. Please note this prop is in for the second time. Do not get a second hand double joint(one with too much wear), the Lexus will tear it apart due to the power it has. This one only saw 4000km.

How much was that prop? Naas that is the one you need.

Hi Louis,

where did you get your Cardon joints and what was the cost?

Thanks

By the way: This is what happens to a front prop when you do 150km/h in 4WD :wth: (Not my finest hour...)

krazy_kameleon wrote:By the way: This is what happens to a front prop when you do 150km/h in 4WD :wth: (Not my finest hour...)

Hey Rick, had a few of those moments myself... as long as it's stored in memory for the next time...

Mr_B wrote:

krazy_kameleon wrote:By the way: This is what happens to a front prop when you do 150km/h in 4WD :wth: (Not my finest hour...)

Hey Rick, had a few of those moments myself... as long as it's stored in memory for the next time...

yeah, expensive lesson as it trashed the 'box

I was driving back from the first painter that had my truck, it was just a rolling shell and it had been pushed into 4WD H and I didn't check. I was just too hacked off about what they did to my truck.

I pulled out from behind a truck to overtake and floored her and then "BANG" - one dead 'Lux

Oh well, as they say, "You live and learn"

Eish, thats bad, was the hubs locked?? Otherwise it should not brake it as its basically free wheeling then

Toyota Bakkie Spares in PTA, used front prop, R1200. N1 4x4, new aftermarket prop, R 3780 excl Vat

But you guys say for the lexus rear used is not good, what if you recon it at a propshaft place? And how strong is this aftermarket one from N1? I dont know

Ok spoke to a friend of mine with a normal 1UZ and 4 speed auto with 33" wheels. His also has the prop straight from the transfer to the diff. he does not have the double cardon, but he had to angle his diff to change the angle a little. It was running fine, but the propshaft guys said he may pickup issues with the universals at that angle.

So I guys the straight prop is the way to go to sort out the shudder in 1st.

Rick, must say that prop doest look like it ever had grease.. It will brake then.

So the aircon guys are busy, found a leak in the condensor so they are taking it out to fix, will be done by tomorrow afternoon. By accident we spoke, he saw the LED light bars on my bakkie, and got my number off the website sticker on my van, so he called and said he wanted lights like on this one Hilux he is busy with doing aircon...I was laughing, told him its my bakkie.

I imported the lights, shhhh Dont tell Piet

Then Mark will do the fan fix, and we are going to space the centre bearing down first to see if when we change the angles, it doesnt solve the problem of shudder, from there I will do a straight prop if needed. Only Friday to sort these things, so we will carry on next week. Want it for the weekend again

Monday Im gonna try and sort the police clearance so long, so I can get the papers moving and sorted, and then back to Mark, or maybe to Lextreme first for the Rev Counter, I wanna see what revs im doing in what gear, and see if it shifts all the way to 5th. Last weekend I tried to count it, but with tyre noise and wind etc, I cant hear. Sometimes I counted 5, some only 4, so I dont know. Funny.

Getting there!!

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote: Getting there!!

You are not the only one.Just got a call with the news that Olive is back together again The new main battery bracket needs some tweaking and powder coating plus 3/4 wires to be done.But she starts and revs, all gauges work etc etc

Sounds Good Theo. Good Luck

Theo, saw Olice quickly today, looks very nice and basically done.

Its near my friend.

My aircon is done, Mark got it back this afternoon, and is fixing the noisy fans so I can only hear V8 this weekend.

Seems like the one leak is coming from the transfercase, so it will have to come out sometime, the other leak close to the engine we did not speak about, But I suspect its the rear cranck seal on the engine, or the seal on the front of the gearbox. But seems like engine oil to me, so must be the engine.

lets see.

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:Theo, saw Olice quickly today, looks very nice and basically done.

Its near my friend.

, so it will have to come out sometime, the other leak close to the engine we did not speak about, But I suspect its the rear cranck seal on the engine, or the seal on the front of the gearbox. But seems like engine oil to me, so must be the engine.

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Thanks Naas !

I thought all seals are replaced during the prep ?

Do you have a video camera ? I would love to hear Olive's sound

That was the agreement yes. But the seal could have failed for many reasons. If its that seal. May be the gearbox seal.

I will take my camera and take footage if it starts. But the nice sound is when you drive it. Not rev it lol.


Ill make a plan.

TheoM wrote:

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:Theo, saw Olice quickly today, looks very nice and basically done.

Its near my friend.

, so it will have to come out sometime, the other leak close to the engine we did not speak about, But I suspect its the rear cranck sealon the engine, or the seal on the front of the gearbox. But seems like engine oil to me, so must be the engine.

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Thanks Naas !

I thought all seals are replaced during the prep?

Do you have a video camera ? I would love to hear Olive's sound

Oops! hope it gets sorted out without too much bother...

If Taking out the props, transfer and gearbox is no Bother

My never ending story

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:If Taking out the props, transfer and gearbox is no Bother

My never ending story

- at least you can get the propshaft sorted now

lol...true

Did you get another front prop Rick? Getting that exhaust for you this afternoon, spoke to Mark about it, its there, you still want it?

Did you see my post on where to get a front prop? That one from PTA Bakkie spares seems ok for R1200, no?

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:..I will take my camera and take footage if it starts. But the nice sound is when you drive it. Not rev it lol.


Ill make a plan.

Thanks Naas. I need to determine if she is too loud or not, before I collect her.

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:lol...true

Did you get another front prop Rick? Getting that exhaust for you this afternoon, spoke to Mark about it, its there, you still want it?

Did you see my post on where to get a front prop? That one from PTA Bakkie spares seems ok for R1200, no?

I just cut and welded my old exhaust onto the new one, so it seems OK for now but I think your zorst will be more appropriate

Thanks for the Toyota Bakkie spares contact, Barry from Ultimate also has a few for the same price so it seems I have a few choices.
I still need to have it retubed and lengthened because when I did my body lift I lifted the box and engine the same amount, coupled to the fact that I moved the axle forward by 35mm at the same time.

Have fun with Luxi this weekend

lol, cool, a Hilux is always an ongoing project, but that is what makes it fun!!

I will enjoy thanks, will let you guys know how it goes!

Naas hy ry seker Lekker!!?

Nie regtig nie nee. Groot vibration as ek wegtrek. En die shifting is nie reg nie

Ma niks wen my nie. Opgelees op prop shafts en center bearings. Sal hom uitsort vinnig nou.

Vir die wat belang stel.

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http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/driveline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Verstaan nou mooi. Sal als meet en besluit. Ma driveline technologies hier kom ek.

Google is your friend!

Just a question-with an engine conversion does the "converter" not sort out these niggles as well or is this your problem?

I could never understand the sceptisism of some of the members with regards to "do the conversion" or not. I am starting to get an appreciation for the viewpoint "don't do it". At the same time I also believe that if you throw enough money (and time) to sort out the small things you will get there

Good luck

Lol. Hugo I was always for dont do it. And still am if you are still smiling driving your van. I took the decision knowing when you start to modify something. Its a chain reaction and never ends. Although frustrating at times, yes money and time will get it right. And I will probably not sleep until it is right.

Would I do it all over again?.......

Naas people will learn from your mistakes. Unfortunately for you this has not been done yet so someone has to be the guinea pig. I had the same issues with the 7mge conversion when I did it, now I know all the issues and how to sort the niggles out. School fees are expensive and if you dont learn varsity fees are even more costly. When it runs properly you will appreciate all your hard work even more. Hang in there the finish line is close.

hugo , we will sort these problems out , naas wanted the bakkie for the weekend and we only got luxi back on thursday afternoon , and naas picked up friday afternoon , unfortunately i am not a 24hr shop as some people seem to think - i had calls even this morning at 7 , but we do put long hours in and work most weekends but this i can only put down to the good bunch of guys i have and yes sometimes mistakes do happen but i never said im perfect but i will stand behind my work and sort any issues out , this is why we always have repeat customers and still have guys popping in just to say hi , so next week we can sort the driveshaft out ( but with the 5 speed the transfer sits further back than normal so it may have influenced something but we will have to check , 1 option is to have the centre bearing housing solid vulcanised casted to eliminate the wobble as the shaft takes the torque up when pulling away ) and fit all the covers etc back , centre console , leak on transfer will be sorted , engine leak i have a feeling is the sump as i asked my guys to remove it as they used the wrong sealer , maybe when putting it back there was an issue , but it did not leak before . as for crankseal they all get replaced and i source them from toyota as they are actually cheaper than gemini. i have a friend who is parts manager and we get good discount.
right in the beginning i did tell naas that we have not done the 5 speed and original ecu before on the vvt. so yes this was a learning curve for both of us and yes naas has been very instrumental and helpfull with finding info etc ,
and make no mistake my quoted price is my quoted price so its not going to cost more at the end of the day , i stand by my quotes no hidden stuff.
would i use the original ecu again on the vvt - no way to much drama with it and to much stuff to go wrong, with the spitronics on the vvt motor and the 4 speed box you wont have an issue , my point is the last gear is identical , but with the 4 sp you wont be hunting up and down the box as much as the 5 speed as the gears are more spaced , there is more than enough power in the motor for the 4 speed , and even if it does improve consumption 1 or 2% its not a train smash.

Did some research on the Rev counter, and came across a circuit the guys use the fix the rev counter issue

How it works is, the newer engines give a 5-6.5 V Square wave frequency to work the tacho, my old Hilux tacho works on a +12V Spike frequency, so it doesn’t work with the VVTi V8 output.

What the circuit does is it takes the 12V supply from the ignition through a relay coil and gives a high voltage spike with the same frequency from the Square wave input. Bought the components yesterday, 2 sets, cost me not even R50. Built it and its works 10000%. So I fixed my rev counter for Basically R20 and an hours work max.

Here is the circuit if anybody else wants to build it, or have the same issue.

Waar 'n wil is, is 'n weg....well done Naas!

Wanneer begin ons nou fotos sien van die trok, ons almal brand om te sien wat gaan aan!!!

Lol. Sodra hy 100% kla en reg is

En my video clip van Olive ?

Sry Theo. het vergeet om camera te vat Vrydag. Ma Mark her gese hy gan stuur vi jou toe los ek ma. Ma hy klink mooi. Heelwat harder as myne ma n mooi diep v8 klank.

Daars ni regtig plek vi groter boxe nie hoor. mark het die grootstes da in. Lyk en klink mooi. My bakkie isni mee by Mark ni so ek gan ni binnekort wee soontoe nie. Was gister da toe het hy Olive gevat vi dyno. So hulle was ni da nie

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote: Heelwat harder as myne ..

Dit is wat my pla, Naas.Ek gee nie om vir hard nie maar dit moenis so hard wees dat dit raserig is nie. Ek wil darem nog misgekyk word ! Mark het gese daar is nog een size groter wat ons kan probeer :roll:

lol, ek dink dit sal fine wees. Weet netnie hoe dit klink as hy ry nie. Ma Mark het my gewys, jy kan groter maar letterlik 4 of 5 cm langer bokse as wat nou da op is, so behoort nie eintlik n verkil te maak nie. mieskien ander bokse, selle size, maar meer restrictions binne om die klank af te bring.

Ma ek dink ry hom eers so, en change ma self dalk later sou dit jou pla, ma ek dink hy klink nogal mean, pas by die kar.

Dis dam n mooi cruizer daai hoor. Lat weet as hy dalk in die mark is later, ek soek eerste opsie lol

Van wat ek kon sien was dit n baie mooi conversion ook, Mark het baie effort in die detail ingesit.

Naas, dit klink goed, maar wanneer post jy nou bietjie foudies?

En hou moed, boet! Bosbeer is nou al 'n 4 jaar proses, waarvan ek hom amper glad nie in die laaste twee gery het nie. Myne het net die gewone 1UZ met die Hilux manual. Ek moes al amper alles oordoen van die eerste conversion af, maar die einde is nou in sig - ek hoop!

Gelukkig het ek ook geweet as jy eers met 'n conversion begin gaan dit nooit einde kry nie. Maar ek kon net nie meer met die 4Y saamleef nie. Ek mis my bakkie verskriklik, maar ek het myself al "getrain" om te glo ek het nie meer een nie. As Louis my bel, dan skiet die lus weer deur die dak, maar 'n dag of twee en ek "vergeet" weer.

Wat ek wel weet is dat as daai van loop en mooi loop, dan is daar geen beter gevoel in die wêreld nie! En wees baie bly jy't iemand soos Mark gekies om jou conversion te doen. Daar's nie baie ouens wat by hulle prys sal staan in so 'n geval nie - meeste "conversion specialists" sal elke moontlik trick in die boek probeer om die ekstra kostes voor jou deur te lê...

Naas is amper daar, Mark sal hom regkry, soos Johan se syne is amper oorgebou. Nog net die fan binne wat oorbedraad word dan sal syne weer reg wees. Hy ry darem, ek so mos daai V8 noem ek onheilig, klink mooi.

Johann, ek hoor jou lol

Mark was baie nice in daai sin, moet se.

Man ma ek sien jy het n paar goed al gedoen wat ek aan dink:

* Disc brakes agter - ek wil sien hoe dit gedoen is en hoe dit werk
* 35" tyres - het jy n straight prop van transfer na diff, of hoe? en, diff ratios, wat het jy in?
* Double Marlin Crawler, hoe werk dit in 4x4, is hy baie sterker? Is dit nodig?

Man ek dink ons moet bymekaar uitkom en bietjie idees uit ruil.

Klink my jy wag al baie langer as ek, so ek voel vir jou baie, ek weet hoe mis mens die bakkies so hart is met jou, ma dis hkm ek n twede een het lol. Ten minste 1 moet werk op n slag, so dan het ek altyd een om mee te ry.

good one naas , glad you posted the diagram , it will help a lot of guys out and as ive said before this is what the forum is for sharing info.
you must see the sticker i did for olives revcounter gonna work like a bomb.

That is way cool Mark. Styling etc makes it look exactly like OEM !

Looks Cool Mark

How is Olive coming, has Theo been there yet?

Not yet Naas.We are flying up on Thu and collecting Olive on Fri

TheoM wrote:Not yet Naas.We are flying up on Thu and collecting Olive on Fri

Hi Theo - thats going to be the drive of your life down to CT - enjoy!

(Hope your garagecard is pumped up to 3 bar )

Sounds good! Good luck and hope all is well Theo

I have been so busy at work, Luxi had to take a back seat. My rev counter mod was short lived, pressure washed Luxi last Thursday and then it was dead again, found the relay popped. Dont think its water though, relay was small so think it could not handle the spikes.

Had to take all my nice heatshrink and all off :evil: , and replaced temporarely with a bigger Relay. still working so far.

Lextreme was busy so its booked for Monday the 20th, taking it in on Saturday to sort the shifting and all. I kempt to their advise not driving it at all. But is hard!!! Just starting it and charging battery every now and then.

This what Luxi looks like after 3L of Prepsol and pressure wash and some ralley no hands tyre polish

Lyk moer mooi Naas, maar waar is die deel wat saak maak???????

96-Luxi 4x4 wrote:Re: Luxi is getting the Lexus 1UZ VVTi

if there's no peekchas, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agteros wrote:

TheoM wrote:Not yet Naas.We are flying up on Thu and collecting Olive on Fri

Hi Theo - thats going to be the drive of your life down to CT - enjoy!

(Hope your garagecard is pumped up to 3 bar )

Thanks Hugo !