Which engine is best?

Gina · Post by **Gina** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:33 am

Hi Guys!

I'm new to this forum, and I want to introduce muself as a huge
fan off Toyota Hilux 4x4's.
We have a verry nice 4x4 track on our farm and people from all over
come to ride on this track, and I'm telling you, Toyota rule!

I have a 1989 Toyota Hilux DC, originally 2.2 but
I had a conversion done and it's riding with a
Ford V6 3l motor now. I am verry impressed with
the power off the bakkie and also with the feul
consumption. It gives me 9.5km/l and it is with
a weber 38D carb.

But I want to ask you guys advise please,
next month I'm going to overall my hole bakkie,
from pannel beating to suspention, engen, interior, everything.
Now what engen do you guys think will be best to put in by bakkie?
If one thinks of power, but also bear in mind feul consumption.

What I thought off was:
1. Overall my engen that is in at the moment
2. Put in a Lexus engen
3. Put in a diesel engen

Your advise will be appretiated!

Riceburner · Post by **Riceburner** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:10 am

Lift it and lock it front and rear, maybe even crawler gears. Who cares about a nice lookin body.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:19 am

Hi Eugene

Welcome to the forum and I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

Just a few questions about your dilemma you are facing at the moment:
How long ago have you had the conversion done? Are all the conversion "growing pains" sorted out?
Are you happy with the Ford motor in your Hilux? (fuel consumption/power etc and it being a ford motor after all)
What is wrong with the Ford motor at the moment? How much needs to be overhauled?

The purists on the forum will tell you to revert back to a Toyota motor be it a 4Y/Lexus/7MGE, and there is nothing wrong with that, but in terms of money and hassles overhauling the Ford will be the cheapest and the power from it is very usable. Especially if all the conversion hassles are sorted out. Doing another conversion could be pretty costly and will bring "growing pains" again.

I had a 1990 Hilux with a balanced 3.0 Ford V6 with a mild cam and performance pistons and that motor was sweet with enough usable torque low down and good fuel consumption. I used to get in the region of 6.5 / 7 km/l on the open road depending on the weight of my right foot.

If you are in the market to revert back to a Toyota motor, I suggest you look at the 7MGE conversion.

Good luck

Gina · Post by **Gina** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:31 am

Hi! And thanks for your replies!

Every thing is sorted out on my conversion at the moment and it doesn't
give me hazzles. The only thing that must get sorted out on the
conversion at the moment is the engen mountings, they just don't
seem to last.

I am verry happy with the conversion as it is at the moment
but I just thought that while I'm going to overall my bakkie I
can maybe put in something else that is better, but if
there isn't something that is much better I will keep in
the Ford motor, I had the conversion done 6 years ago.

The only tip I can give guys that want to do the V6 conversion,
is put in a verry strong clutch plate and engen mounting.

I will put up a foto off it now and in +-2months time I will
sow you guys the end result.

Thanks once again.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:43 am

Gina wrote:The only thing that must get sorted out on the conversion at the moment is the engen mountings, they just don't seem to last.

No problems, if you are happy with the motor dont change it.
PM Hoppy on the forum and ask him what engine mountings he used when he built Boggom. They were serious mountings and even though I tried my best I could not break them.

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:33 pm

Hi, Eugene! I'm in the same boat as you - my Lux is going in for it's overhaul on Monday. I'm also doing the whole hoot and doing everything that the budget allows. I decided to go for the Lexus V8, but only because I found some one that can make it work and drives one himself!

I don't think I would take on a Lexus conversion, unless you are mechanically extremely well versed and you have a mentor who's done it before. I am a bit of a Toyota purist and would suggest the 7MGE myself, but as Thys said, if you are happy with the Frod, then stick with it. If the budget allows, go for the 7MGE.

M2cw. Anyway, good luck and post some pics!

MADALLA · Post by **MADALLA** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:08 pm

Scorpion - who is doing your conversion and what engine and gearbox management does he use ? Also - what range of consumption does he get ?

Thanks

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:34 pm

I managed to convince Blom on this forum to do it for me. He doesn't do it for a living, but he does it for fun and he feels like taking on a project - so I'm very lucky!

We decided to run a Microtech system as EMS. It's much more expensive than the local stuff, but it works and it's very reliable. We are going to keep the manual box in the Lux, so no gearbox management. I also don't know which system he runs in Boesman.

Consumption wise I'm not sure. Boesman is a purebred fighting machine, so I don't think Blom keeps figures. I also am not too worried about consumption, but I'm 100% sure it will be better than the 5km/l I currently get on my 4Y! I'll let you know though once I've had the pleasure of testing it.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:40 pm

Johan, as far as I remember, Blom runs the Microtech system in Boesman as well.

-F_D

hilex08 · Post by **hilex08** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:37 pm

doing a conversion is personal taste. Its like going fishing and or hunting..
it is what you desire, should i go offshore angling, what equipment am i going to use etc etc
go hunting, should i go for the overkill, or just photo hunting.

diesel/petrol....
power/economy
being windgat/humble

blom · Post by **blom** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:14 pm

Jip I run Microteck for the motor (The best is normally just good enough)
Gearbox is controlled with a spitronic (the new 2008 model, unfortunately without the speed sensor at the moment, but working on that)
I will NEVER again run any after market engine management on any daily driver except microteck. I have been there and the local ones are just not reliable

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:49 pm

Hoe ganit nog met die "albastergatters"?
If the Ford V6 is sorted, leave well well alone.
They are the cheapest horsepower around. Sort the small things out and spend your money on lockers, tyres etc.

Gina · Post by **Gina** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:25 am

Hallo Hoppy!

Dit gan nog baie goed met die "Albastergatters"!
Ek het besluit ek gan mar my engen in hou wat nou daar
in is.
Ek is van plan om julle almal op hierdie forum te nooi vir
'n lekker get together op die plaas waar ons dan bietjie kan
4x4 en braai en soo aan. Ons het 'n baie lekker 4x4 baan
op die plaas!
Mar ons sal later daaroor gesels, vir eers is my eerste
prioriteit om nou my bakkie te kry soos ek hom wil hÃ¨.

Mar ek sal jul op hoogte hou.

Groete, Eugene

Toybox · Post by **Toybox** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:29 am

Forgive my ignorance, is the the v6 a carb engine? You could always fuel inject it!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:49 am

yes Jonathan it is a carb motor, and it can be fuel injected with good results.

Castos · Post by **Castos** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:49 pm

So gepraat van V6 motors. Dink julle nie 'n 3lt V6 Mitsubishi motor sal mooi werk nie. Ek het die naweek met een gery. Baie nice motor. Hulle is supper betroubaar en is lekker cheap. Hele confersion is so R15 000.

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:48 pm

Ek het weer gehoor hulle is geneig om te oorverhit en die head te kraak of warp. :roll: Nee wat, bly by Toyota as jy kan. Kla!

Jaws · Post by **Jaws** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:34 pm

Ek ken twee mense wat Colt 3lt V6 bakkies het. Albei se bakkies het al amper 300 000Km`s op. Albei het hulle engins nog net eenkeer oorgedoen. Ek het ook gesien dat op albei bakkies het die uitlaat manfolds al gekraak.

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:37 pm

Dis nie te sleg nie, Herman, maar my 4y (en vele ander) het al 370 000km op en is nog glad nie oorgedoen nie.

Is jy nog in Kanada?

Jaws · Post by **Jaws** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:19 pm

Hi Johan - nee Dinsdag teruggekom. Die Toyota bakkies in Montreal is baie anders as ons sin. Daar is baie FJ Cruizers in blou en geel : http://www.santabarbara4wdclub.com/imag ... ruiser.JPG . Die Hilux daar is `n Tundra http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... bleCab.jpg maar dit is groter as die hilux. En die Rav and Honda CRV is baie populer. Maar die mees algemeenste kar is die Acura (dit is van Honda). Mens sien nie baie ou kar in Montreal nie want hulle spuit sout op die paaie in die winter om die ys te laat smelt so almal se karre roes van onder af.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:21 pm

Castos wrote:So gepraat van V6 motors. Dink julle nie 'n 3lt V6 Mitsubishi motor sal mooi werk nie. Ek het die naweek met een gery. Baie nice motor. Hulle is supper betroubaar en is lekker cheap. Hele confersion is so R15 000.

Tot jy moet spares koop wat jy net by die agente kan kry soos ek laas week uitgevind het op my Plastiekjero wat oornag in 'n Landrover verander het. Toe ek weer sien lÃª daar mos 'n plas olie op die garage vloer. 'n Cam belt, Fan belt en fan belt guide pulley se prys was R 1800 en sente by die blikskottels. Die fuel filet is nog 'n verdere R 500+ ek het nie eers gevra wat kos die air cleaner nie teen daai tyd was ek so oorbluf laat ek maar net my goed gevat het en geloop het :evil: :evil:

So paar weke voor dit was dit 'n gekraakte exhaust manifold wat glo 'n commeon Mitshubishi probleem is. Hulle ruk jou R 3500 vir die stel exhaust manifolds op die V6 en hoe lank hou hulle hierdie keer?

Nee wat dis nou die 2 brand wat ek so 'n stel mee aftrap, eers Isuzu nou Mitsubishi. Bly maar eerder by Toyota engines.

Castos · Post by **Castos** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:08 pm

ja nee lyk my dit bly maar 'n 2.7 vir my. Net die $$$ iewers kry.

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:54 am

If it was originally 4Y then:
4Y EFi

I'm hell of a impressed with the 2.7i too

(anything else...... Just ain't LUX) :D :D

My 2cw

Rich

Castos · Post by **Castos** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:37 pm

What is the power output going to be on 2.4 with a efi conversion?

I drove a 2.7 sc this weekend, man that is nice motor. Just love it.

SuidWes · Post by **SuidWes** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:22 pm

If it was originally 4Y then:
4Y EFi

I'm hell of a impressed with the 2.7i too

(anything else...... Just ain't LUX)

My 2cw

Rich

Hey Rich, my 2.4 has never been on a lowbed

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:28 pm

3.0l V6 colt

Post by **JohanM** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:41 pm

BOSVARK wrote:3.0l V6 colt

Ja ek stem saam, agter op die 4Y se laaibak om die engine as scrap metal te gaan verkoop....

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:43 pm

Flip daai transvaal tas jou brein darem werklik aan,hoe moet die colt manne dan nou voel

JohanM wrote:
BOSVARK wrote:3.0l V6 colt
Ja ek stem saam, agter op die 4Y se laaibak om die engine as scrap metal te gaan verkoop....

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:58 pm

BOSVARK wrote:Flip daai transvaal tas jou brein darem werklik aan,hoe moet die colt manne dan nou voel

Dis hulle pobleem - daar's nie pille vir domgeit nie... :roll:

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:12 pm

Angeltjie hoe vat jy jou pille van onder of van bo,lyk my van onder,gebruik jy gel

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:20 pm

Scorpion wrote:Dis hulle pobleem - daar's nie pille vir domgeit nie... :roll:

Nou wat noem jy die??

Dis Bosvark sinne maar dit is verby die vervaldatum... nou werk nog net die newe effekte soos jy kan sien..

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:22 pm

THYSIE VAT EEN HALAAL

Charlie Brown · Post by **Charlie Brown** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:24 pm

Vandag my twee Lexus engines met auto bokse bestel. Een vir skud-skud en en vir skud-skud se boetie. Weet nog nie of ek altwee auto gaan maak nie. Bennie - n ware petrolhead aangesien diesels n arm en n been kos.

Charlie Brown

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:01 pm

BOSVARK wrote:Angeltjie hoe vat jy jou pille van onder of van bo,lyk my van onder,gebruik jy gel

Nee, Krimpvarkie, setpille is spesiaal vir die Capies uitgevind. Slaapstad is mos nie verniet die "pienk" hoofstad van die wereld nie, julle oukies like mos goed van onder...

Post by **JohanM** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:06 pm

Scorpion wrote:
BOSVARK wrote:Angeltjie hoe vat jy jou pille van onder of van bo,lyk my van onder,gebruik jy gel
Nee, Krimpvarkie, setpille is spesiaal vir die Capies uitgevind. Slaapstad is mos nie verniet die "pienk" hoofstad van die wereld nie...

Daar het julle dit nou, die skrif is nou aan die muur........Lyk my dit is tyd om te erken dat sekere modelle net meer instandhouding nodig het as ander...........

:roll:

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:00 am

Castos asked:
What is the power output going to be on 2.4 with a efi conversion?

We did a 22R with EFI a few years back, it gave 102kw when tuned for power and 96kw for economy. It had a full Brospeed conversion done.

Castos · Post by **Castos** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:13 pm

Hoppy wrote:Castos asked:
What is the power output going to be on 2.4 with a efi conversion?

We did a 22R with EFI a few years back, it gave 102kw when tuned for power and 96kw for economy. It had a full Brospeed conversion done.

That is not so bad. I'm standing on 87kw on the flywheel now.

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:23 pm

Nissan 3.0 V6 :Geek: :Geek:

Plants into an SFA with room for plenty ventilation.

Was eyeing one up yesterday at Commercial, Ex. Japan; 102,000 kms on the clock :roll:

I'd really consider buying it IF:

I had a Frontal Lobotomy first.

Think It's gonna get snapped up fast by one of our Cape Vultures

Rich
AKA Nassin Assassin

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:36 pm

Richard! Behave..

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:12 pm

Rich,

Only a few more days until Mr EFI comes to visit you.....

After that visit I am sure you wont be looking around for a very long time for more power in your Hilux.

So stay strong, and hang in there!!! Its nearly play time for you!!!

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:31 pm

JohanM wrote:Rich,

Only a few more days until Mr EFI comes to visit you..... After that visit I am sure you wont be looking around for a very long time for more power in your Hilux.

So stay strong, and hang in there!!! Its nearly play time for you!!!

Thanks Johan

I'm clinging on by my finger nails - the Dark Force is getting Stronger

I keep reading your EFi Thread - food for the soul

Are you Loving IT

Rich

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:37 pm

Dadz Toy wrote:
JohanM wrote:Rich,

Only a few more days until Mr EFI comes to visit you..... After that visit I am sure you wont be looking around for a very long time for more power in your Hilux.

So stay strong, and hang in there!!! Its nearly play time for you!!!

Thanks Johan

I'm clinging on by my finger nails - the Dark Force is getting Stronger

I keep reading your EFi Thread - food for the soul

Are you Loving IT

Rich

Rich,

In my view it was the best money i could invest in my hilux regarding the performance and economy. I will be doing a drive down the folks in the free state the weekend and then do a proper fuel consumption test. I just love the way it responds when you drive around and yes she starts herself with the aircon on.......no problems

Rich, ask Bennie, Eric and Louis, its just a different vehicle once the conversion is done. Now I have to watch myself not going to fast on any road as it runs at 120 easily on the road, and that is with a lot less input on the "expensive" pedal.....

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:43 pm

Awesome Johan

looking forward to your feedback after your weekend run

Ps.... When Dyno'd did you go for an Economy Bias Set Up or Performance Bias Set-up

(I'm doing the former)

Rich

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:50 pm

Rich,

I think mine as the brospeed engine with a cam, gasflowed cylinderhead, it was set up to be more performance orientated (compared to a std engine) in order to ensure optimum running at all times.

I picked this up when we did the tuning of the carb of mine vs a freinds std one.

I had to change the jet sizes in the carb from 155 main jet to a 180 size to get it not to run lean when driven with eager right foot.....

Consumption I was able to better my friends vehicle by approx 0.5 km/l at the same speed....

after tuning it.

So with it being the "performance" engine i think that Schalk did set it up to what the best is for the engine and not really try look for a specific economy of performance setting.

I will let you know what the weekend's running comes to. I think even Bennie is waiting for me to go Home to test the vehicle on the long road.....