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Engine nr change reg

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:04 pm
by cprinsloo
Hi all,

Do I need a receipt for changing engine number after a conversion? Mark Watson did mine, but I have no idea where he bought it.

Cheers,

C

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 12:59 pm
by Family_Dog
Chris, as far as I know you need to get the engine number cleared at a SAPS, who will then issue you with a certificate. You then need to present this to the local Vehicle Licencing Authority who will issue you with a new disc. Simply providing a receipt for even a new engine does not work.


-F_D

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 1:31 am
by Mud Dog
Yup, clearance certificate from SAPS on the 'new' engine. Then registration paper with ID to your registering authority. You might have to pay a slight premium on the annual licence over what you did before because of the bigger motor.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:03 pm
by cprinsloo
Thx for the feedback. I know I have to get the SAPS clearance, just wasn't sure if I need a receipt when I go to them.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:28 pm
by zepplin
Just get Mark to issue you with a receipt with the engine number on it. That is what you need to get SAPS clearance.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:31 pm
by cprinsloo
Ja, but Mark is MIA, and I don't know where he bought my engine. Phoned Paul and Turbo Toys, but they have no record of my engine nr.....

Bummer....

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:08 pm
by Skilpad4X4
Hi Chris
You not need a invoice for the purchase of the engine. Firstly go to the licence office and get a engine no. change form, take the original registration certificate and the ID of the owner with. Then you must do a datadot on the vehicle and also there you must have all the papers. After that you go to the SAPS with all the papers BUT make a copy of the datadot certificate and the invoice do not give the original to the SAPS you can present the original only. Then they will give you a clearance certificate if the engine is clear on the system. After that all you can go to the licence office with all the papers to change the engine no. they will only give you the new licence disk. I hope you come right.
Dawie

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:20 am
by KOBUSL
........and my 2,4 engine shows up on the police computer as a stolen 1975 Chev C 10 4.1 6 cylinder .................small town, know the police, not in jail.

And Dawie is right.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 1:12 pm
by cprinsloo
Thx gents.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 2:37 pm
by Bugzy
Dawie, die vraag is: wat is "AL DIE PAPIERE" waarvan jy praat. Ek het ook 'n ander enjin in my Hilux gesit en moet deur die proses gaan. Ek het net 'n brief van die ou by wie ek die enjin gekoop het, geen reg papiere of bewys van eienaarskap nie. :eh: :eh:

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 2:55 pm
by Stef
I think you might need some sort of letter/receipt from the installer of the engine, reason I say that is for my trailer to go through clearance I had to get a letter from my dad stating that I got/bought the trailer from him together with a certified copy of his ID and the original reg certificate of the trailer. On top of that I also needed the data dotting and a new VIN number (original serial number was too short and came up as a duplicate on the system), and a RWC of course

And this was a fully lisenced trailer all up to date; only thing was the original reg certificate was an old pink Tranvaal one...hence the whole clearance business, which cost more than the trailer is likely to be worth :lol:

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 2:30 pm
by TheoM
cprinsloo wrote:Ja, but Mark is MIA, and I don't know where he bought my engine. Phoned Paul and Turbo Toys, but they have no record of my engine nr.....

Bummer....
Mark gave me a receipt which I used.I heard he is no longer MIA but he did have some serious health problems :confused:

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:56 am
by Hangover
TheoM wrote:
cprinsloo wrote:Ja, but Mark is MIA, and I don't know where he bought my engine. Phoned Paul and Turbo Toys, but they have no record of my engine nr.....

Bummer....
Mark gave me a receipt which I used.I heard he is no longer MIA but he did have some serious health problems :confused:
Good seeing you here again Theo... I havent done my license disc joppie with Hangover and lost the receipt Mark gave me so hopefully i can get it done someday without it...

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:26 am
by cprinsloo
Stef wrote:I think you might need some sort of letter/receipt from the installer of the engine, reason I say that is for my trailer to go through clearance I had to get a letter from my dad stating that I got/bought the trailer from him together with a certified copy of his ID and the original reg certificate of the trailer. On top of that I also needed the data dotting and a new VIN number (original serial number was too short and came up as a duplicate on the system), and a RWC of course

And this was a fully lisenced trailer all up to date; only thing was the original reg certificate was an old pink Tranvaal one...hence the whole clearance business, which cost more than the trailer is likely to be worth :lol:
Thx Stef, I think that trailers are a bit different, AFAIK one can't build your own trailer any more, and there some issues w.r.t. the weight that a trailor can carry (maybe it's still pending). One can't use an old moeg Venter and use the reg nr and chassis nr to build your own off-road trailer, maybe that's why they are more full of cr@p when you register an old one.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:27 am
by cprinsloo
TheoM wrote:
cprinsloo wrote:Ja, but Mark is MIA, and I don't know where he bought my engine. Phoned Paul and Turbo Toys, but they have no record of my engine nr.....

Bummer....
Mark gave me a receipt which I used.I heard he is no longer MIA but he did have some serious health problems :confused:
Thx, hope he surfaces again some time. I sent him an SMS, no answer yet.

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 4:06 pm
by Stef
cprinsloo wrote:Thx Stef, I think that trailers are a bit different, AFAIK one can't build your own trailer any more, and there some issues w.r.t. the weight that a trailor can carry (maybe it's still pending). One can't use an old moeg Venter and use the reg nr and chassis nr to build your own off-road trailer, maybe that's why they are more full of cr@p when you register an old one.
That's all true...i actually had the trailer with me at the time, but the issue here was about whether it was stolen or not , whick is the purpose of a police clearance, and I think it would be the same for a replacement engine.

Guy that worked for me bought an engine from Barrie here on the forum and got pulled over in a road block on the way back. Police wanted a receipt as well to prove that it wasn't stolen; they very nearly confiscated the engine. fortunately they could get hold of Barrie en he could verify the info ..

Bottom line is that you might need some form of proof that it wasn't stolen, although it might not show up on the system as stolen or as a duplicate.

Best way is to just go find out ;-)

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:06 pm
by pietpetoors
I did the Surf last week.
For police clearance you only need your vehicle's registration papers, a receipt from the person who sold you the engine. In my case where I bought the vehicle with engine in they also wanted a letter from the seller to state that he sold the vehicle to me and a copy of his ID.

That was all.
They clear it, you go for datadot, you go back to cop shop, you get your papers.

Then after that you can go to registration department.

Seems it is a big mystery to what happened to Mark Whatson.
I would write a receipt on his behalf and write his name, business address and cell number on it.
You probably got that.
DO you have an invoice he gave you for doing the conversion?

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:09 pm
by pietpetoors
O ja, I don't want to be negative, but if something goes wrong and if it was perhaps a stolen engine, remember that the only thing they may take is the engine block. Apparently they give you 3 or 4 days time to deliver it back to them (in the Western Cape that is).

Re: Engine nr change reg

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:29 am
by Haboob
Having the letter with ID, address, etc from the seller is what can keep you out of JAIL...