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Spartan wrote:The inlet sit closest to the firewall and the return to the tank on the fan side of the fuel rail (the thing that the top of the injectors are attached to), at the inlet side you will have a fuel pressure regulator and on the outlet side you will see a fuel pressure damper. Normally the regulator will have a plastic cover on and the damper will be black. On top of the regulator you will find a small screw, do not tamper with it. :wink:
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Spartan wrote:...On top of the regulator you will find a small screw, do not tamper with it. :wink:
Bliks3m... how I wish I had a 7MGE now... so I can tamper with that screw :twisted:

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Ingelsman you are in desperate need of n VET KLAP :twisted: :thumbup:
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ok im just a bit confused now,the bosch fuel pump that i have was recommended by hoppy.its a vw 2.5i combi fuel pump.the one side being a 10 mm and the other being a 12mm.can someone relablely explain to me how im supposed to fit this onto an 8mm line?
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8mm ID to 12mm ID step up adapter...
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Luke sorry just remembered... what we did on Richards IIRC... the 8mm pipe connects on an inline fuel filter with an 8mm inlet pipe... then on the outlet side of the inline fuel filter we put a a short piece of 8mm pipe on, of the right thickness... so that the larger 12mm pipe can fit tight over the 8mm piece... then we hose clamped it all together on the outlet side of the fuel filter...

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Ok well did that allready,thanks though,its amazing how idealess one can be!.
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Oh another question,i phoned dictator today and chatted with the Guys there,i would love to run my engine on the wasted spark system but it looks too complecated so might do it later,what does it entail though?Another question i need an air temp sensor to run the std ECU but it looks like i didnt get one with the import,is this a common thing?i have the water temp sensor and throttle body.
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Wasted spark is nice but to convert expensive.

The 7M I finished last week works well with the std dizzy and a mag adapter. What I did was as follows:

I used a puller to remove the 24 tooth gear from the dizzy shaft, I then used my bench grinder to remove 18 of the teeth to leave only 6 evenly spaced (60 degree) teeth. (you grind off 3 and leave on and so on....) The mag adapter is then connected to the 2 outer wires of the dizzy, black to the magnetic adapter's input ground and green to the input positive.

While yoe have the dizzy stripped like that sommer replace the shaft bearing as well. Work out which teeth to keep by finding the one that will line up with the centre pickup at 60deg btdc (30 degrees on the dizzy base)
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And now where would i get the air temp sens,apparently i need one to run the std ecu
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Luke, got mine at a local scrapyard, off a 1994(or there abouts) Toyota Camry... for 50 bucks... works perfectly!

I've got the calibration table for it as well if you need... some guys call it a thermistor, some called it an air temp sensor...

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would it be ok to use hose all the way through the setup?
And if nor where Would i get 10mm rigid fuel pipe?
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Mine is hose until the last 600mm(or so) before the fuel rail banjo... the steel pipe/hose is overlapped 200mm... and secured with 3 good quality hose clamps for safety sake... Bennie forced the hose over the steel pipe with great difficulty... so it's really vas... remember this is the hp side of the fuel feed... so safety is a high priority!

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Bretton,just been lookin for a MAF sensor,do you know which engine the camry was from?And where does the part sit exactly?in between the air cleaner and throttle body?And is there not a company that sells these things?
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Luke the Camry is Toyota model, the original gen1 Camry was available with a choice of 2 engines, a 2.2L 4 cylinder and a 3.0 V6... new models have a variety of new tech engines... the air temp sensor I got was from a 2.2 Gen1 Camry... and it was mounted on the intake plastic hose, on the clean air side of the air filter... I'm pretty sure the 3L would have used the same air temp sensor... on the MAF sensor... I've never acquired one of these, best your speak to Bennie for advise on that...

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Is there a company that would sell Airflow or MAF sensors?im in a bit of a hurry too need to get my truck on the road in the next 2 weeks!
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RustyRod wrote:Mine is hose until the last 600mm(or so) before the fuel rail banjo... the steel pipe/hose is overlapped 200mm... and secured with 3 good quality hose clamps for safety sake... Bennie forced the hose over the steel pipe with great difficulty... so it's really vas... remember this is the hp side of the fuel feed... so safety is a high priority!

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right just sourced a place to get me a sensor,yay! all i need to know is ow many pins the 7mge sensor has??..please help
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so its time to position my radiator,its hilux 2.7 aliminium.ive cut a notch out to be able to push it right up against the back of the front crossmember enough to give me 10mm clearance..!flip harder than i thought,anyway,i remember hoppy saying your engine flexes when under load,i would rather cut into that cross member if i have too but am not really keen on it
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So the radiator is 10mm away from the bottom pully
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pampoen wrote:So the radiator is 10mm away from the bottom pully
Not much room for error if you break a engine mounting and have body flex or the engine tilting when doing obstacles offroad 10mm is very small

Do a 50mm body lift and move the radiator forward underneath the slam tray
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move the engine back 40mm ask hoppy how to do it.. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Bennie how many mm off is yours?Also ive done a 50mm lift and am certainly not moving the engine again!!its almost ready for electrics now.Ive decided on spitronics,simply because of support.
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Non existent support?
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well considering dictator didnt wanna know me yes,i suppose...maybe the fact that i set fire to there shop has something to do with it?
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Luke, just yanking your chain... the Dicktator agents in CT are great... Robbie Ferroli... are you going directly to Dicktator or a local agent in Durbs?

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:twisted: local agent actually but its pretty much the same no matter what your fms is though,thats the felling im getting
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Good work Luke, you wont be sorry mate....
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What are your guys suggestions for getting the most power out ones fms?im putting a new exhaust system on now so open to suggestions.
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The reason why Spittronics give such "good" support is because teh product acttually needs a lot of support. Speak to Castos as well, he fell for it and now he is not getting proper support in anycase with all the crap he has had so far.

Dictator is solid, stable and don't need bug fix upgrades every 3 months. It has been running the same software revision for some years now whereas Spittronics has done how many (13-14 :? :shock:)bug fix versions in the last year or so.

Dicktator is accurate, interpolate both Fuel and timing maps and both are fully granular whereas spittronics's timing is just has two axis to tune just like mr turbo and that was the reason that caused my HG to go on the 7M the socond time round as we could never stop the pinging. If I had a Dicktator at that time my engine most probably would still have been running with the "high: compression.

My neighbour has had quite a few intsallations from those so called "local support guys: to fix up. Some of those go fast shops is exactly why guys like Pers Kers end Redhummer don't trust aftermarket systems, as they manytimes dont properly know what they are doing.

Then there is also the issue of the box itself, Dicktator ECU's are solid with a lifettime repair warrenty as long as you dont phisically damage the bord, you dont even pay for components even if the fault was caused by your wiring faults. Ihave heard of a few spittronics boxes that had to be replaced already as it was totally screwed. Dicktators boards are manifactured professionally via flowsolder processes and not soldered together by hand eliminating the chances of human error (dry joints)
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i like the fact that i dont need to use an airflow meter on the spitronics,they say too that you can just put the system in yourself
apparently?And they dont have to dyno either wich worried me
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pampoen wrote:What are your guys suggestions for getting the most power out ones fms?im putting a new exhaust system on now so open to suggestions.
Keep your stock manifold with its heat shields, from there 2x 63mm runners of equal length for at least 1m before the 2 into 1 collector, Make sue the collector has a long gradual reduction like a long cone rather then a sudden reduction that will cause a quick restriction that will heat up quickly. Decent custom made collectors that is more thean 100mm long on the reduction piece works much better then these short pre made bosal type collectors with a sudden decrease in size. From there on a decently flowed system, 63 - 76 mm in size.
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pampoen wrote:i like the fact that i dont need to use an airflow meter on the spitronics,they say too that you can just put the system in yourself
apparently?And they dont have to dyno either wich worried me
Dictator also use a map sensor, the diffs is the Dicktator ons is buit into the ecu so you will not have issues with faulty external units, another tghing I have seen with spittronics, not the ecu's fault but the extrenal map sensors and there wiring also tends to give problems.

The claim that you dont need a dyno is due to the fact that it rely on a lambda cencor to corect Air fuel ratio. problem with this is another device that can give problems, wrong AFR stuffs up lambda's quicker, the probe my neighbour uses on the dyno during tuning takes some strain as most cars initially arrive badly tuned and it normally last only 6 moths.

So ya maybe it does not have to be tuned if the guy that runs your local dyno is at a go fast shop that only worries about full throttle, but I can promise you will see a vast improvement if you get it on the dyno at someone who knows what he is doing and is not just into racing.

Once a Dictator is set up properly you do not need a Lambda sensor to constantly correct the inaccuracies of the ECU.

I recently did Wessel (PCH356 her on the forum)'s 7M I used the Dicktator Std ECU with a mag adapter on the OE distributor and it works like a charm. As soon as he gets little mechanical snags with the conversion sorted its going to the Dyno and then it will run like a dream.
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Well thanks for the advice,another thing,i would like the most power out of that engine i can,does it matter what system i get from dictator or are they all the same?
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pampoen wrote:Well thanks for the advice,another thing,i would like the most power out of that engine i can,does it matter what system i get from dictator or are they all the same?
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And for fuel efficientcy?
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Scorpion, I think what Luke means is that the vehicle has actually got to be capable of running.... ;) :twisted:


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Could someone tell me what a fuel regulator is?
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pampoen wrote:Could someone tell me what a fuel regulator is?
It's actually a Fuel Pressure Regulator, the aim is to deliver a constant pressure to the fuel rail and injectors. The pump will deliver anything from 4 - 6 bar, I gues you'll need about 3 bar to the rail. Also, it is connected to the plenum vacuum, if the engine is idling (throttle closed), the pressure will be lower and the corresponding fuel pressure must also be lower. There should be a return pipe that's going back to the tank. There are ways to test them. Do you have one? Mine is stuffed, have to source another one, you get in-line stand-alone FPR's. Mr. Turbo sells them, and also Autostyle, don't know the quality though, but I'm going to take a chance.

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pampoen wrote:And for fuel efficientcy?
MICROTECH! :twisted:
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You misunderstood, he wants a system that can let the engine run as effeciently as possible on as little fuel possible, not see how effeciently can it empty the tank in the shortes time :shock:

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Fuel effeciency has more to do with the guy doing the dyno then with the ECU brand you use eventhough certain brands will have you believe you do not need a dyno run
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cprinsloo wrote:
pampoen wrote:Could someone tell me what a fuel regulator is?
Mr. Turbo sells them, and also Autostyle, don't know the quality though, but I'm going to take a chance.

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The Auto style type gave us issues on Cassie's van we had to swap it twice. The Mr Turbo one I used on Engel's Safari is slightly larger and more solid even though they look very similar on a photo and that one worked much better, don’t know if it was only coincidental :? They did have a stock issue at the time we needed Cassie's though

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The FPR is the round thing at the edge of the fuel rail (front side of the engine) that connects the fuel pipe returing to the fuel tank to the rail.
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ok cool,thanks for the feedback guys,awsome!!...next question,i phoned dictator and got some very confusing answers,some guys said i need an airflow meter and others said i didnt :? are the airflow meter and lambda sensor for only tuning or do they aid the computer somehow?And another question i need a pair of electric fans for my rad,whats the best option?One more week and if everything goes acording to plan she should be running:shh: :thumbup:
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You need as Dicktator Standard ECU (http://dicktator.co.za/standardecu.html), a single channel ignitor module (http://dicktator.co.za/ignitermodules.html) and a magnmetic adapter mag adapter. I will instruct you how to modify the coil once you get to that stage to keep it as close as possible to the origional layout no need to do hall sensor conversions.

The AFR sensor (lambda) is a loose standing device that the dyno guy should have when he tunes your vehicle you do not have to buy one. No Mass Airflow sensor is needed as the Dicktator has a MAP sensor built in
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Well shes done!!!yay;0 picked my baby up from the depths of durban last friday night,holy cr@p this things fast!!!!.The okes Dyno tuned it for 180hp on the sheet.Dunno if thats on the wheels or flywheel,presume wheels though.I think it was worth the wait.The noise as well!!ive put a stainless one into two exhaust on now.Now the next thing is to sort out my gearbox,its so wierd,i think my syncromesh is slowly worn away cos even when i had the old motor i battled to shift.so ill be posting pics just so you guys dont think im lieing!
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The kw are 120 on the wheels i presume whic i think makes sense :think: .Now though i get a faint smell of unburnt fuel after pushing it hard,im wondering if perhaps it could be overfueling :oops: ?Is there any way i could plug a laptop with the dictator software and tune it to run a little leaner?I hear you need a lambda sensor to do thet though and i dont have one :shh:
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Parts list.

Front right fender
Bonnet
Front bonnet cowling
steering box.

Please if anyone has spare or would like to
help a young man keep his dearly beloved alive
dont hesitate!
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Luke wrote:Please if anyone has spare or would like to
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dont hesitate!
:lol: :lol: That's a new way of putting it!! :D: .... but what happened!!?? did you bend it already after the new power plant installation!! :o: :(
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Well it all started off with me trying to do a 50mm body lift! so i rented an engine crane and wrapped a strap around the front of the body after loosening all the nuts ETC.All went well till it was too late! i realized i bent my right front fender beyond recognition!And the bonnet was as a result of me not having a bonnet catch anymore and so on the way back from Durban thinking all was well and tied down,the bonnet came up,mangling the cowling with it :evil:
As for my steering box,its worn out quiet badly,loose and leaking oil out the pitman arm,so if anyone has a spare please let me know!! :thumbup:
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Eish! ... That's unfortunate! .... You could get pirate body panels at a fraction of the stealers costs .... check both though, they might be reduced now.
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Hi Luke, sorry to hear about your unlucky incident... a 2nd hand steering box in good nick is as scare as can be and can cost a small fortune... about 4.5K+... I managed to get a incomplete 2nd hand one, and out of the 2 I built one decent one... have you checked that it is the box that is worn? There is a gear 'play' adjustment screw on the side of the box, that allows you to take up play, as long as it's not totally worn... my box also started leaking recently... that seal is not too expensive, around R 80, but it is Toyota only part... it's a bit of a pain getting the box out, but it is do-able...

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how hard is it to get that seal you talk of installed?any special tools needed?
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i cant put pics on! :evil: help! :wth:
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