Power question on 2.7 and KZTE

[Neg10]

Does a fully laden 2.7 and KZTE have enough power to pull a 450kg boat though the ocovango delta in the wet season? my current vehicle (land cruiser) sometime battles and that has a 4ltr 6cylinder turbo diesel motor. its an 1985 model and kicks out just a tad more than a KZTE. BUT vehicle mass is more on the cruiser!!! ?? anyone pulled a boat through hectic mud with 2.7 or KZTE???

[OOOOMS]

Neal, the 2.7 petrol 4 cylinder does not really like towing, not sure of the KZ....the Cruiser is a much better towing vehicle imo

[legend35]

Also dont think its strong like a Cruiser.The 2.7 only makes 235nm.

[Neg10]

ok.... interesting..... what about the KZTE????
i have also had exp with a FJ62 3F cruiser, when i had this cruiser dyno'd, it gave 71kw and 194N.m. thats on the wheels. i dont know what my ^1 is doing but cant be far from the KZTE as as Future father-in-law's KZTE runs circles around my Cruiser. ??

[Polarbear2008]

Toyota says the KZ makes 85kw (not sure if this is supposed to be at the wheels?)

Checked the figures with the car magazine article that I have:

85kw and 315Nm torque.

Hope this helps.

Tv.

[Niel]

kzte vs 2.7 towing was discussed before.

Having towed with both I prefer the KZTE for towing more power low down. Tow an Echo 4 now and the KZ does 120 km/h easy.

It always felt that you have to really give the 2.7 stick in the first 3 gears (only my opinion)

[george]

kzte vs 2.7 towing was discussed before.

Having towed with both I prefer the KZTE for towing more power low down. Tow an Echo 4 now and the KZ does 120 km/h easy.

It always felt that you have to really give the 2.7 stick in the first 3 gears (only my opinion)

I tow with my 2,7 quite a bit and yes you have to keep the revs at over 3000/3500 rpm and then it tows quite well,but you can tow the whole day and the engine just love it

[Neg10]

are those power figures at the wheels or fly wheel for the KZ, TV.?
im not worried about on raod towing as 1300 tazz will pull on tar, (not that well mind you) :) but it will. im talking off road through mud, rocks and heavy thick sand... both 2.7 and KZ are brilliant with out trailer... i will be doing allot of over landing and need to know if i will be sorry and need more power/towing ability...

[Niel]

the figures are normally measurred on the fly wheel.

[Bazzer]

I do a trip every year in Zambia where we take boat/trailer across the Barotse flood plains. We do this mid August every year and for the last 3 years we have been doing it with a 3.0 D4D and a 2001 2.7. The terrain is water logged every year and we sometimes do stretches of 100m+ of deep water. The D4D tows the boat (20ft ski boat, 115 Yamaha) and the 2.7 a trailer loaded with about 1 ton of food and equipment and we have never had serious problems. 2 years ago we did break the bolts on the 2.7 that holds the tow bar drop plate in place, but that was because of driver inexperience. The 2.7 does have a full SAC conversion, chip, head redone, free flow and Camil suspension but it also weighs about 300-350kg more than standard(bullet proof cabin). IMO the 2.7 has ample power and has never struggled in these conditions.

[WayneSchalk]

I bought the KZ-TE with SAC inter-cooler and chip. Peak power I'd say is between 2500 to 3000rpm. So with my boat in 5th gear on 110KM/H it sits right in that range, not much need to gear down.

BUT as you say you cover long distances in deep water, not sure how that will effect the inter-cooler?

[legend35]

Here is what I got for the KZTE.

The 1KZ-TE is a 3.0 L (2982 cc), 4 cylinders, SOHC, 2 valves per cylinder turbo diesel engine with indirect injection. Bore is 96 mm and stroke is 103 mm, with a compression ratio of 21.2:1. Maximum output is 130 hp (97 kW) @ 3600 rpm with maximum torque of 29.3 kgf·m (287 N·m) @ 2000 rpm. Redline is 4400 rpm. First produced in 1993, it is still used in new model vehicles today. 1KZ-TE also adopt the electronically controlled fuel injection, ETCS-i (Electronic Throttle Control System - intelligent) technology which is similar in basic construction to a modern gasoline injector, although utilizing considerably higher injection pressures, it is an indirect injection engine which gives it a significant efficiency and fuel consumption penalty. It was replaced in most markets with the 1KD-FTV engine which uses common-rail direct injection and delivers more horsepower while using considerably less fuel.

Used in KZJ71W, KZJ78W, KZN160.

The intercooler equipped version of the engine increases the output of the engine 145 hp (108 kW) [Aust. 130hp (96kW)] @ 3600 rpm and maximum torque of 35.0 kgf·m (343 N·m) @ 2000 rpm.

[legend35]

And this is what I found for the 2.7

The 3RZ-FE 2.7 litre EFI engine is a twin cam multi-valve 4 cylinder engine that develops exceptional power (108kW/4800rpm) and class leading torque (235Nm/4000rpm) for a 4 cylinder petrol engine. The 2.7 litre engine with twin balance shafts delivers 6 cylinder power and smoothness but with 4 cylinder fuel economy and running costs.

Now I sound very clever

[Neg10]

Thanks Guys,
my main reason for stressing is that on tar, the KZ beats my HJ61 cruiser, but off road, my cruiser goes through mud and water where the KZ battles... while figures on paoer tell us the KZ and 2.7 does have enough, real world exp is more reliable.... towing a 1ton trailer through Barotse plains is what im talking about!
what tires are on the 2.7i.??

[legend35]

I have 30''x9.5''x15'' on my Hilux.Speedo is 10km faster than gps.

[legend35]

Neal,just one question.If you know all the answers,then why all the questions?

[Uys]

We used to tow trailers/ diesel cars/caravans with a 2.4D with 55kW and 190 NM(I think?) and they got us to where we wanted to be. The 2.7 will get you there and more importantly: get you back!

[kfxnando]

this topic come up over and over, so wont quote any specific post, just the info again!!

from flywheel to the wheels on a 4X4 power loss 39%
front wheel drives 25% loss, rear wheel drive 33% loss
from sea level to JHB another 18%
3% per every 1000feet above seal level!!

so a motor that delivers its power through a 4x4 system (excludes the AWDs) and starts off with 100kw at the flywheel off the factory (provided that due to mass production it does deliver full power) will only deliver 61kw at the wheels at sea level

-18% for altitude at JHB will have 50kw at the wheels in JHB
that is despite what SOME dyno operators will tell you!!
there are still some honest ones out there!!
and mods will change the numbers, however the losses are still there!!

yep half is lost!!

[Neg10]

I ask these questions Legend35 because on paper the stats are fine, a BMW 330d has more power than any 2.7 or kzte but i cant pull a boat through barotse.... even if was was 4x4!! its just to low. (not that i was questioning the clearance of the Hilux, merely the pulling power!)
does the gearing on the Hilux allow transfer of power to the wheels to be enough.... and how hard are you reving the motor to get through very tough, muddy sections....??
what Bazzer tells me is that he has done it pulling a heavy trailer and made it through. thats the real world exp/info im looking for. Have you driven through Barotse when wet? if you have, you would know what i mean.... so while i know all the figures and stats, i have NO actual exp with a 4x4 2.7 or KZTE.... thats why i asked here...

[Neg10]

thanks kfxnando.....
i am amazed at the power loss....

[legend35]

Thanks Guys,
my main reason for stressing is that on tar, the KZ beats my HJ61 cruiser, but off road, my cruiser goes through mud and water where the KZ battles... while figures on paoer tell us the KZ and 2.7 does have enough, real world exp is more reliable.... towing a 1ton trailer through Barotse plains is what im talking about!
what tires are on the 2.7i.??

Sorry Neal,misunderstanding :) .Your answer is above as YOU said it.The 2.7 is nothing stronger than the KZTE. Keep your Cruser as you know what you have.
m2cw

[Neg10]

Legend35,
while the Cruiser does have the edge, only in some places... the hilux has the edge in others... its a double edge sword really.... fuel consumption is the dictating factor here... and the only thing i think the hilux will be worse at, is towing due to power and gearing.... that said... and as you guys have pointed out, the Hilux will have the power... SO... the HUNT for a KZTE is on!! :):):)

[legend35]

Good luck You should find a real nice KZTE in the Eastrand.Will keep my eyes open in my area

[Neg10]