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Manne,

Ek het so bietjie advies nodig my bakkie wat ek gekoop het het so klein probleempie op as hy staan en idle drop die revs os nou en dan dit is sonder airco naan maar hy vrek nie sodra ek aircon aansit doen hy dit meer en hy drop da nso laag dat hy vrek.

Louis het na die bakkie gekyk en voorgestel en vervang die petrol filter dit het ek gedoen probleem nog daar,hy het ook gese dit kan die aircon relay wees nog nie daarna gekyk nie.

Ek is redlik skrikerig oor baie geld spandeer so het ook na Toyota toe gegaan hulle se dit is definitief die Idle control sensor wat net onder die throttle body sit wat probleme gee,ek het op Hoppy se advies alles oop gemaak en goed skoongemaak met carb cleaner maar nogsteeds is die probleem daar.

Het iemand anders hier al dieselfde probleem ervaar?Kan dit wees dat dit die sensor is wat oppad uit is?Toyota vra R3400 vir die sensor sonder insit kan ek hom iewers goedkoper kry?

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As jy dit al skoon gemaak het sal jy die valve moet vervang. Daar is geen ander menier...... SoRrY
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AM Racing wrote:As jy dit al skoon gemaak het sal jy die valve moet vervang. Daar is geen ander menier...... SoRrY
Wat sal dit kos of moet mens maar net die nuwe senor unit koop en klaar kry?
Ek is net bang ek koop die nuwe sensor en dit los nie die probleem op nie?
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Dit is wat Toyota seg die probleem is die swart boksie deel met die plug.Sorry kry nie 'n beter en groter foto nie

Dit reguleer blykbaar die idling as mens bv aircon aansit moet hy automaties idling adjust maar in my geval begin my bakkie se revs dip sodra aircon aangeskakel word en dan vrek hy
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is dit nie dalk n idle control valve nie?
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Pora wrote:is dit nie dalk n idle control valve nie?
Dit is wat hulle vermoed.

Die bakkie ga nvrydag oggend gou in hulle wil hom nou eers op die diagnostic masjien sit en seker maak wat fout is want hulle se dit kan baie dinge wees wat dit veroorsaak
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Iets wat jy kan probeer is gaan net al jou vakuum pype na wat van jou plenum chamber af gaan. 'n Kraak of een wat nie mooi af geseël is nie kan ook met jou idling rond neuk. m2cw
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CasKru wrote:Iets wat jy kan probeer is gaan net al jou vakuum pype na wat van jou plenum chamber af gaan. 'n Kraak of een wat nie mooi af geseël is nie kan ook met jou idling rond neuk. m2cw
Cassie geen probleem sal dit ook na gaan op die stadium probeer ek eers als voor ek geld uithaal is klaar redelik platsak na die koop van die hilux so ek probeer enigeiets.
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Het jou bakkie 'n chip in? Myne het dieselfde gedoen, toe haal ek die Dastek chip uit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
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Bazzer wrote:Het jou bakkie 'n chip in? Myne het dieselfde gedoen, toe haal ek die Dastek chip uit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
Eerlikwaar het ek nie 'n idee nie het geen info van vorige eienaar nie en kan ook nie sien of daar een is nie waar en hoe kyk mens of hy gechip is?
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Bazzer wrote:Het jou bakkie 'n chip in? Myne het dieselfde gedoen, toe haal ek die Dastek chip uit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
Eerlikwaar het ek nie 'n idee nie het geen info van vorige eienaar nie en kan ook nie sien of daar een is nie waar en hoe kyk mens of hy gechip is?
gewoonlik op die 2,7 sit dit agter die " glove box"
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george wrote:
SWARTLUX wrote:
Bazzer wrote:Het jou bakkie 'n chip in? Myne het dieselfde gedoen, toe haal ek die Dastek chip uit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
Eerlikwaar het ek nie 'n idee nie het geen info van vorige eienaar nie en kan ook nie sien of daar een is nie waar en hoe kyk mens of hy gechip is?
gewoonlik op die 2,7 sit dit agter die " glove box"
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Ok lyk my die kan die probleem wees het gou die cubby agter bekyk en die dastek unichip computer box gekry.

Nou is die vraag kan ek hom laat regmaak en waar of is dit beter om 'n nuwe een te koop of moet ek kyk na 'n ander sisteem as dastek en wat sal die prys vir iets anders wees?
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SWARTLUX wrote:Ok lyk my die kan die probleem wees het gou die cubby agter bekyk en die dastek unichip computer box gekry.

Nou is die vraag kan ek hom laat regmaak en waar of is dit beter om 'n nuwe een te koop of moet ek kyk na 'n ander sisteem as dastek en wat sal die prys vir iets anders wees?
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SWARTLUX wrote:Ok lyk my die kan die probleem wees het gou die cubby agter bekyk en die dastek unichip computer box gekry.

Nou is die vraag kan ek hom laat regmaak en waar of is dit beter om 'n nuwe een te koop of moet ek kyk na 'n ander sisteem as dastek en wat sal die prys vir iets anders wees?
Ek sal sê stuur vir Legend35 'n PM en noem vir hom jou bakkie se Dastek chip het gegroet of is nie lekker nie.... Noem vir hom ek het jou gesê om hom te kontak
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Het hom nou gepm sal hoor of hy kan help.

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To establish whether it is the chip or not, go to SAC and get a blank connector for about 50 bucks. This allows you to remove the chip and replace it with the blanking connector and you will be able to see the effect of removing the chip immediately.
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Trying to get hold of Dastek but there is no answer only a recorded voice telling you the operating hours
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Ok so ek i9s so 90% seker dit is die chip wat die probleem is na so bietjie search op die forum.
Dit is presies wat my bakkie doen en hy het ook die dastek chip in,Nou my vraag is moet ek die chip laat regmaak of meot ek eers begin by die idle control sensor etc... soos die mechanics my se of dink julle slim manne die probleem is ook by die chip?

This is a qoute from Eric: "When I bought hound Dog, there was a Dastek chip fitted to it. The chip was tuned for max power at low revs and it certainly did make a difference. There was not much difference in performance once the revs picked up, buit that was because the chip was optimised for power at low RPM. I had problems with idling and Hound Dog would stall if I had the A/C on. I found that one rubber hose that may have had something to do with this was disconnected at one end while another rubber hose was missing completely from the engine. I removed the chip because I did not really need it but in the interim it seems to have developed legs while Hound Dog was being serviced, as it is now just missing.

Removal of the chip entails fitting a blanking/shorting plug in its place, a one-minute job and the chap did it for me for free."
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Heh... I had just finished typing all that again and pressed "Send" when the above post came up!

Yep, 'tis so! ;)


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Brian as ek jy was sal ek daai chip eers "by pass" en kyk of dit nie jou probleem is nie. Hier is 'n hele paar ouens wat baie tevrede is met die chips en hier is 'n paar ouens wat hulle chips uitgehaal het omdat dit te veel probleme gee. Ek self het nie 'n chip nie en gaan nie gou een insit nie.Dis maar net ek.Ek het juis 'n 2.7 gekry omdat hy so betroubaar is so wil nie onnodige probleme he nie.
My chip sit sommer op my skouer :mocking:
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Family_Dog wrote:Heh... I had just finished typing all that again and pressed "Send" when the above post came up!

Yep, 'tis so! ;)


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Eric did you revs also dip even if the Aircon was off?Mine does it when the aircon's off as well but its not as noticable then and it doesn't stall when the AC is off.It onsly dips noticably and stalls when I turn on the AC.

Do you know where I can get the blank off plug near pta and for how much to test first before spending money and it turns out its not the chip giving problems?

As I have been told its the idle control sensor,aircon relay,feul pump etc.... So as you can see I want to be 100% sure as I cant afford to spend thousands on repairs and it doesn't solve the problem.
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george wrote:Brian as ek jy was sal ek daai chip eers "by pass" en kyk of dit nie jou probleem is nie. Hier is 'n hele paar ouens wat baie tevrede is met die chips en hier is 'n paar ouens wat hulle chips uitgehaal het omdat dit te veel probleme gee. Ek self het nie 'n chip nie en gaan nie gou een insit nie.Dis maar net ek.Ek het juis 'n 2.7 gekry omdat hy so betroubaar is so wil nie onnodige probleme he nie.
My chip sit sommer op my skouer :mocking:
Die probleem is waar kry ek iemand om hom te bypass hier in pta?Lyk my dit is net steves wat dit kan doen en net om te check vra hulle klaar R450 as daar enigeiets geoden moet word kom daar nog $$$$ by
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probeer vir Louis by 4x4 Megaworld.
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Brian, with the A/c switched off, the idle was very rough and jerky. But with A/C switched on, it would just stall. The local Dastek agent here pulled the chip and fitted the blanking plate for no charge, was about a 60-second job. I figured I would always go back and have it sorted out, but never actually bothered to.

Are all your vacuum pipes etc in order? I parked HD next to WF with bonnets wide open and traced every pipe/hose I could see before I discovered the missing pipe. Reconnecting that made a world of difference to idling, but by then the chip had already been removed.


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Family_Dog wrote:Brian, with the A/c switched off, the idle was very rough and jerky. But with A/C switched on, it would just stall. The local Dastek agent here pulled the chip and fitted the blanking plate for no charge, was about a 60-second job. I figured I would always go back and have it sorted out, but never actually bothered to.

Are all your vacuum pipes etc in order? I parked HD next to WF with bonnets wide open and traced every pipe/hose I could see before I discovered the missing pipe. Reconnecting that made a world of difference to idling, but by then the chip had already been removed.


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Can you maby take a pic of the vacume hoses?I only bought the bakkie 5 days ago so my knowledge on this bakkie is still vary limited so will need a pic to trace every pipe as I do not know woh they are supposed to be,but now that you mentioned it there was one pipe hanging loose that I dont know where it should go so maby thats the problem already also booked the bakkie to go to Dastek friday for a check and remap hope it makes a difference.

Is there maby a diagram for the vacum hoses?I have the new facelift bullnose shape hilux 2005 model I know Louis said its a different engin than the old 2/7 so dont know if its the same as yours but the way you describe your idling is exactly what mine is doing idles irratic without aircon and stalls when switching on the AC so I know now its definatly sometinhg with the chip :thumbup:
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Do you know where I can get the blank off plug near pta and for how much to test first before spending money and it turns out its not the chip giving problems?
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Will try take pics tomorrow, hope they come out OK, sometimes difficult to see from a pic.


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Brian give me a call, I am in Pta-North then you can come and compare the vacuum pipe routing and we can take the chip out and check - I have a blankout plug. I doubt that the chip is the problem since it doesn't have anything to do with the idle stabilisation. In 99,9% of the times they don't even enable the idle map on the chip, they just use the factory defaults.

I suspect you may have a vacuum leak or a vacuum pipe routing problem, especially since you just bought the vehicle and it went through a carwash/valet just before you got it.

The part you are reffering to is the ISC valve or Idle Stabilisation Controll valve, it just lets air bypass the butterfly valve at idle to increase or decrease the idle speed.

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Thanks for all the info guys will see what the problem is Bakkie is going in to Dastek tomorrow so if I dont come right I will be seeking some more advice here
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Re: 2005 2.7 Petrol hilux idling probleem

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Hope they can sort you out.

The reason why I am saying it is unlikely that the chip is the problem is because the ISC (idle stabilisation control) is still done by the OEM ECU. There are two wires directly from the factory ECU which controls the opening (RSO) or closing (RSC) and one directly to battery 12V+. These wires are not cut or affected by the Chip installation at all. My bet is on a faulty ISC valve, wiring, or vacuum leak/pipe.
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3RZ wrote:Hope they can sort you out.

The reason why I am saying it is unlikely that the chip is the problem is because the ISC (idle stabilisation control) is still done by the OEM ECU. There are two wires directly from the factory ECU which controls the opening (RSO) or closing (RSC) and one directly to battery 12V+. These wires are not cut or affected by the Chip installation at all. My bet is on a faulty ISC valve, wiring, or vacuum leak/pipe.
Can possibly be one of the vacuum pipes as when I bought the bakkie there was one pipe hanging loose wich I plugged into an opening where it seemed to fit?Can maby be this?But will have it checked at Dastek just to be sure.Will need some help on the vacuum pipes as I do not have any knowledge yet on the 3rz motors only know the 4y of that wich I learned from my dad he also doenst really know the 3RZ motor.
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Nou kom maak dan 'n draai by my vanmiddag. Die ouens by Dastek gaan ook nie weet of die vacuum pype reg gekoppel is as hulle nie 'n ander 2.7 Hilux het om dit mee te vergelyk nie.

Normall the only inputs to the factory ECU affected by the chip installation such as ours besides the power and earth is:

Road speed sensor - Cut
TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) - T-in
MAF/MAP sensor - Cut
Crank Angle Sensor - Cut
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Pm my net jou adress en tyd wat jy normaalweg by die huis is,ek is so half 6 by die huis so met traffic deur die poort gan dit my so tydjie neem om by jou uit tekom.

Laat weet ne hoe laat jou sal pas dan kom maak ek gou 'n draai,dankie vir die moeite :thumbup:
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Jy kan maar kom so vroeg as wat jy kan, ek sal by die huis wees van 16:00 af.
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3RZ wrote:Jy kan maar kom so vroeg as wat jy kan, ek sal by die huis wees van 16:00 af.
:thumbup: Dankie ek wardeer!Hoop nie ek hou jou te lank op nie
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In this case it it is definitely the Chip, nothing wrong with the ISC, at least you dont have to fork out R4500 for a new one like Toyota wanted you to do.

Me thinks the tuner did something wrong or the chip is faulty. I hope Dastek changes the chip for you for free Brian. Keep us posted.
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3RZ wrote:In this case it it is definitely the Chip, nothing wrong with the ISC, at least you dont have to fork out R4500 for a new one like Toyota wanted you to do.

Me thinks the tuner did something wrong or the chip is faulty. I hope Dastek changes the chip for you for free Brian. Keep us posted.
Willem,

Dankie vir die hulp vanaand darm weet ons nou vir 'n feit die probleem is by die chip en ek kan ophou geld op ande rdinge spandeer wat nie die probleem oplos nie.

Sal hoor wat Dastek more sê my pa vat gu more die bakkie vir my in.

Sal jou plug more weer terug bring,So by the way daar is 'n groot verskil sonder die chip ek het gevoel oppad huis toe die bakkie trek nou baie swak en voel of hy nie krag het nie.Hoop mar vir die beste en goedkoop oplossing more.

Was nice om jou te ontmoet dankie vir die lekker gesels en info wat jy so deel. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Dis 'n plesier, jy is enige tyd welkom as ek kan help met iets !
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3RZ wrote:Dis 'n plesier, jy is enige tyd welkom as ek kan help met iets !
Reg so baie dankie,Jy moet laat weet wat ek jou skuld vir jou moeite. :D:
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My pas het nounet laat weet dastek hou die chip by hulle om te toets wat fout is,hulle sal ons laat weet,het sommer dat my pa solank ook die bypass plug koop dat ek een het in die toekoms.

Hopelik kan als teen volgende week nog uitsorteer wees,so lyk my daar is nie veel 4x4 die naweek nie want die bakkie ry nie so lekker sonder die chip nie :thumbdown:

Willem laat weet net hoe laat jy tuis is dat ek sommer jou plug kan terug bring ek loop vandag 4 uur dis mos vrydag so sal darm bietjie vroeer daar kan wees.

Dankie weereens vir al jou hulp :thumbup:
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Nee wat jy skuld niks, net bly ek kon help en dat Dastek jou ook wil jou help en ek hoop hulle doen dit verniet. Enige tyd na 15:00 is goed, ek sal of in die swembad wees of agter die braaier - dis mos Vrydag soos jy se :D: :thumbup:
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3RZ wrote:Nee wat jy skuld niks, net bly ek kon help en dat Dastek jou ook wil jou help en ek hoop hulle doen dit verniet. Enige tyd na 15:00 is goed, ek sal of in die swembad wees of agter die braaier - dis mos Vrydag soos jy se :D: :thumbup:
Ja nee braaidag,gaan self na ek by jou was daar by my pa en ma gan vleisies op die kole gooi en seker maak hy ry nie tevel met my bakkie rond nie! :lol: :lol:
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Bly jou probleem is uitgesort :thumbup:
So jy se daar is 'n groot verskil met die chip?
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george wrote:Bly jou probleem is uitgesort :thumbup:
So jy se daar is 'n groot verskil met die chip?
Jip wag net om te hoor wat die skade is waarmee Dastek my gan slaan.

Daar is definitief 'n helse verskil me die chip,toe ek hom gekry het het hy lekker poeier gehaad en lekker maklik ge-overtake,gister se trippie huis toe sonder die chip heeltemal ander storie opdreandes is hy maar dood en overtaking nie meer so maklik nie.So ek hoop maar met 'n chip wat reg is en mooi gemap is trek hy nog beter as wat hy het.

Kan self nie glo die chip maak so verskil nie want ek het al gehoor mense sê jy kom nie regtig die verskil agter nie maar dit is seker so as jy hom nooit inghaad het nie en jy sit hom in.

Maar as jy hom eers in gehaad het en so gewoond geraak het is dit 'n ander storie as hy nie meer daar is nie kom vinnig die verskil agter.

Ek is darm bly ek het die forum en club gejoin sonder julle manne sou ek nou nog met my hande in my hare gesit het met die probleem. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Ek dink veral daar by julle met die dun lig maak hy seker meer van 'n verskil.En dan dink ek die 8 port is meer lewendiger.
Willem het 'n goeie thread hierso.
http://hilux4x4.co.za/views/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1420
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Het jou bakkie 'n chip in? Myne het dieselfde gedoen, toe haal ek die Dastek chip uit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
Jy moet ons laat weet wat dastek gese het, ek het my chip uitgehaal toe die idling probleem begin het, nog nie tyd gekry om weer aandag daaraan te gee nie. Sal graag wil hoor wat Dastek se verduideliking is, dan kan ek myne dalk weer terugsit.
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Bazzer wrote:Jy moet ons laat weet wat dastek gese het, ek het my chip uitgehaal toe ek die idling probleem begin het. Sal graag wil hoor wat Dastek se verduideliking is, dan kan ek myne dalk weer terugsit.
Sal so maak hulle het gese ek behoort teen vanmiddag van hulle te hoor andersins maandag eers.
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Ek is bly julle het die probleem gekry.Nou kan dit sommer vinnig opgelos word. :thumbup:
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So ja die chip is toe nou nie meer redbaar nie,Dastek sê ek kan hom maar weggooi so nou soek ek maar 'n ander een sal begin rondshop vir plekke wat die chip installs doen teen billike pryse.

So die wat chips het wat nie werk nie no weet julle julle kan maar weggooi en nuwes koop :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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Ok beste prys sover is Maus inpta noord teen R2500 vir nuwe chip en install,sien hulle charge ook R300 om ou bedrading te verwyder dit als is nosgteeds goedkoper as by Steves auto clinic wat my R4999 vra vir nuwe chip en install.

Sal nog rondshop maar lyk my dis Maus op die ou einde
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