Bigger Battery in IFS

[pietpetoors]

I had to replace my trokkie's battery today. I think the standard is 646 but I asked what was the biggest we can fit in the same space without having to extend any wires or change brackets.

So it turned out that we fitted a 652 which is bigger.

I am also finished with Sabat. Had a Sabat which lasted 11 months, then they very reluctantly exchanged it for me and now 18 month later that one is also kaput

So I just went for a Willard this time. No use driving a reliable vehicle if you dont have a reliable battery.

[Donkey]

Cool, my Willard has been going strong now for over 2 yrs.
Hope you have better service this time around,

[OOOOMS]

Hoeveel Amp/h is die nuwe 652?

Min of meer prys deesdae?

[pietpetoors]

OK sorry, the old one was 646.
646 = 60 A/h
652 = 70 A/h

[Donkey]

[pietpetoors]

O and price, the 652 was R880.00

[pietpetoors]

Donkey what do you mean with ?

[Donkey]

Give us all the info at once not in dribs and drabs

[pietpetoors]

I had to replace my trokkie's battery today. I think the standard is 646 but I asked what was the biggest we can fit in the same space without having to extend any wires or change brackets.

So it turned out that we fitted a 652 which is bigger.

I am also finished with Sabat. Had a Sabat which lasted 11 months, then they very reluctantly exchanged it for me and now 18 month later that one is also kaput

So I just went for a Willard this time. No use driving a reliable vehicle if you dont have a reliable battery.

646 = 60 A/h
652 = 70 A/h

Price of 652 was R880.00

Installed at Supa Quick Vredenburg , salesman name = Basson, time 11h31.

Client = Happy
Trokkie = Start again

Better ?

[Donkey]

[Thabogrobler]

I had to replace my trokkie's battery today. I think the standard is 646 but I asked what was the biggest we can fit in the same space without having to extend any wires or change brackets.

So it turned out that we fitted a 652 which is bigger.

I am also finished with Sabat. Had a Sabat which lasted 11 months, then they very reluctantly exchanged it for me and now 18 month later that one is also kaput

So I just went for a Willard this time. No use driving a reliable vehicle if you dont have a reliable battery.

646 = 60 A/h
652 = 70 A/h

Price of 652 was R880.00

Installed at Supa Quick Vredenburg , salesman name = Basson, time 11h31.

Client = Happy
Trokkie = Start again

Better ?

Ahhhh....Much better!!

[Thunder02]

Sorry Pieter what was the weather like,and were the roads busy,did you pay with cash or card?

[Polarbear2008]

Pieter AFAIK the standard alternator on our bakkies only supplies around 50-55A on a good day. How is it going to keep your HUGE battery charged, while for instance the lights are on and maybe a second battery is also being charged?

Just asking, as I am investigating the option of upgrading to at least an 80A and possible a 120A alternator to take care of my charging needs.

[Family_Dog]

Hmmm, Pieter, AFAIK, WIllard & Sabat come out of the same production line...

Raylite is the Hiluxer's preferred power source.


-F_D

[pietpetoors]

Thanks Eric, I should have asked before I bought it. I'll set a reminder on my phone for next year this time to make sure I take it back if it have the slightest sign of problems at the time. Just shows you how a brand can stick to you. I grew up with Willard being the best there is and one keep on believing that. These batteries are so damn expensive one cannot buy a new one each year (or 18 months)

Theunis, I have no idea
I do not know much about batteries and as I understand, you have to replace what you took out. So if I take out the same amount of the big battery what I took out of the small battery I have to put back the same, in my opinion that should not be a problem unless I suddenly add more things which draws current.

For the second battery, I only use it on long trips and take it out the rest of the time and I use very little electrical things. Of course all the lights are LEDs so they do not use much.

My vehicle is used 95% for long distances, it have enough time to charge. For town driving I use my thoroughbred Chinese scooter or the Tazz.

[george]

This is the way I understand the charging.A Benton charger can only develop let say 8 amp.And it can charge a deep cycle battery to the full.The same with your alternator.A 55 amp charger can charge a 120 amp battery. Obviously a 120amp charger will charge it quicker. I hope this make kinda sense

[Mr_B]

George... that's very confusing... you can explain in detail tomorrow!

I recently replace my bakkie's battery as well, with a Willard! The Probe one didn't last more than a year, but it looks like a faulty diode pack in the alt was to blame!

On the choice of battery, my humble Uno 1100 town run-around has had to same Willard battery in for the last 4 years(+)... and it's still going strong!

[george]

George... that's very confusing... you can explain in detail tomorrow!

[pietpetoors]

After this battery also packed up in such a short time I wondered if the alternator was not a problem but I had that tested yesterday as well and they said the alternator is charging correctly, no problem with alternator.

[george]

After this battery also packed up in such a short time I wondered if the alternator was not a problem but I had that tested yesterday as well and they said the alternator is charging correctly, no problem with alternator.

Pieter just check if your alternator is putting out more then 14 volts

[pietpetoors]

It charges at 14.14 volt even if I rev the engine it stays at 14.14 Volt

Is that what it should be?

[OOOOMS]

It charges at 14.14 volt even if I rev the engine it stays at 14.14 Volt

Is that what it should be?

Correct It really annoys me me guys stand at a campsite reving their engines wanting to charge the battery..... :roll:

[pietpetoors]

annoys

Shoe, that is a very polite word Herr Schubert

[yotaman]

Hmmm, Pieter, AFAIK, WIllard & Sabat come out of the same production line...

Raylite is the Hiluxer's preferred power source.


-F_D

Eric - I have a std Dixon 646 in my truck which is going on for 22 months now without a problem. I use my truck very seldom (only if I go camping, out to a 4x4 excursion, annual vacations) hence its low mileage (115K) for 2002 model. The Dixon is put on the Benton from time to time (not on trickle all the time) to keep it charged. My wife's platkar (with Sabat) is due for a new battery and I'm tinking of getting a Dixon. whats your thoughts on the Dixon?

[Rebel 4x4]

It charges at 14.14 volt even if I rev the engine it stays at 14.14 Volt

Is that what it should be?

Correct It really annoys me me guys stand at a campsite reving their engines wanting to charge the battery..... :roll:

Dis soos kamakazi pilots wat helmets dra....???....

[Family_Dog]

Shane, I have no experience with Dixon batteries, have always been an Exide & Raylite fan.I replaced White Fang's Raylite battery a few months ago, it was just shy of its seventh year and had been drained flat three times in its life, before I got involved with Benton chargers.


-F_D

[yotaman]

Tks Eric - Hmmm I think I'm gonna give Exide or give the Raylite a try for a change.

[Family_Dog]

I must just add that I have a Netstar tracking unit in WF that drained the main battery completely if the vehicle stood for four days or more. Netstar eventually replaced the unit but the same thing happened. But I now use the Benton religiously when not using the vehicle and that has sorted out all my problems with flat batteries.


-F_D

[ChrisF]

Hmmm, Pieter, AFAIK, WIllard & Sabat come out of the same production line...

Raylite is the Hiluxer's preferred power source.


-F_D

F_D ek het Vrydag n kollega bygestaan met die koop van n battery. Die manne by Battery Centre het toe ook gesê dat Willard = Sabat.

Battery Centre smous die Raylite reeks - omtrent 50% duurder .....


maar as ek kyk wat Pieter van die Sabat sê is ek bly ons het toe maar vir die duurder een gegaan.

[rexx]

Had 2 Willards in my van, both died within 12 Months first was replaced under warranty, second was now expired. Replaced with a Varta 680 74ah, Best purchase thus far, never had a hassle and cranks fantastically even in the cold of lesotho. Willard just not what they used to be. Think i paid about R900 and 2 year warranty. Made by Johnson controls (Deltec/Enertec).

[kfxnando]

have just skimped through the thread, so, sorry if my points have already been mentioned!!

a batteries biggest enemy is heat
not saying its the issue, however think above 45*C then battery life is drastically shortened, things like branches build up extra heat in the engine bay, and depending on battery location, heat could again be an issue

depending on ambient temp, a battery can take up to 2.6V per cell = 15.6Volts

the one big difference that I have learned in the last 7 years or so, instead of getting a normal lead accid battery, rather spend the extra money and get the silver calcium, at the one stage as they went, (not by choice, it was what was available at the time) replaced all the batteries in all our cars with Raylites Silver Calcium, more then 7 years ago, the one let go, the one we sold the car with it, and the other two are still going

a higher voltage is actually better for these lead calcium

have written something before on this and have posted it on here before as well, loooong ago

http://www.kfxnando.com/viewtopic.php?f ... p=758#p758" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

hope it helps!!

[Quintus]

Managed to fit a 85Ah battery, only bending the fastening bracket to compensate for the added height.