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Are these units good to have as part of recovery gear?
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Weer jy wat die spece is? Pull rating?
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Haven't seen them in use, but a lot depends on the rating me thinks, :silent: unless if you're secretly training for world's strongman 2013 :mocking:
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Trek jy n' Dinghy op sy trailer of wat :laugh2: :laugh2:
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ROOFER wrote:Trek jy n' Dinghy op sy trailer of wat :laugh2: :laugh2:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

recovering a mountain bike? or a skateboad with a chubby outjie on? :lmao: (couldn't resist :mocking: :shock2: )
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I was thinking the same thing cos i have a 2ton one sitting at home.....
Thought of adding a block and tackle 3 / 4:1 inbetween the vehicle and the recovery point and using that as the hand winch......

Im sure it will work but will be a sloooooowwww process
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Jy wil mos nou tyd mors Tjom.Sit 'n ordentlike winch op en kry klaar :boss:
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MOFASA wrote:I was thinking the same thing cos i have a 2ton one sitting at home.....
Thought of adding a block and tackle 3 / 4:1 inbetween the vehicle and the recovery point and using that as the hand winch......

Im sure it will work but will be a sloooooowwww process
Thanks Johno, so it could be useful, I was thinking about a sideways pull where there is now way of another
vehicle to get in a side ways position to assist, something like that.........
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george wrote:Jy wil mos nou tyd mors Tjom.Sit 'n ordentlike winch op en kry klaar :boss:
Sal daai doen tjom, maar ek was ook al in n sywaartse recovery betrokke en dis moeilik as daar geen voertuig in posisie kan kom nie, in so geval kan mens n soortgelyke hand winch anker teen n boom of rots en sywaarts trek as dit nodig is?

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Johannes van die See wrote:
george wrote:Jy wil mos nou tyd mors Tjom.Sit 'n ordentlike winch op en kry klaar :boss:
Sal daai doen tjom, maar ek was ook al in n sywaartse recovery betrokke en dis moeilik as daar geen voertuig in posisie kan kom nie, in so geval kan mens n soortgelyke hand winch anker teen n boom of rots en sywaarts trek as dit nodig is?

Net idees......
Hoor wat jy se,maar met 'n paar snatch blokke behoort 'n ou ook redelik daar by te kom.Hang maar af van die situasie
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Ook waar, snatch blokke en kabel sal seker goedkoper wees as so hand winch........
Okay dankie, het my antwoorde gekry.
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Johannes van die See wrote:Ook waar, snatch blokke en kabel sal seker goedkoper wees as so hand winch........
Okay dankie, het my antwoorde gekry.
Bly weg van kabel en kry vir jou Dyneema 10mm tou http://www.southernropes.co.za/products ... es/dyneema
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george wrote:
Johannes van die See wrote:Ook waar, snatch blokke en kabel sal seker goedkoper wees as so hand winch........
Okay dankie, het my antwoorde gekry.
Bly weg van kabel en kry vir jou Dyneema 10mm tou http://www.southernropes.co.za/products ... es/dyneema
Wats foud met kabel, ek gebruik net "Load Tested" Galvanised kabel offshore........
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Johannes, daai ene is defenitief te lig.

Ekt een van die manne:
Word genoem n Trifor winch.

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Hierdie is al wat hulle in Afrika gebruik, om daai swaar oorlaaide trokke mee te herwin uit die modder. Ek sal gou n foto nog soek. :problem:
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Johannes van die See wrote:
george wrote:
Johannes van die See wrote:Ook waar, snatch blokke en kabel sal seker goedkoper wees as so hand winch........
Okay dankie, het my antwoorde gekry.
Bly weg van kabel en kry vir jou Dyneema 10mm tou http://www.southernropes.co.za/products ... es/dyneema
Wats foud met kabel, ek gebruik net "Load Tested" Galvanised kabel offshore........
Dis moeilik om mee te werk.As jy om opdraai moet jy 'n load opsit en dan as jy die load afhaal dan lyk dit amper soos 'n kraaines en as jy dan weer winch kry die kabel "knakke".As die kabel snap kan hy lelik seermaak.Die tou is net beter.in AUS se 4x4 kompetiesies is die kabel verban.
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Kaspaas wrote:Johannes, daai ene is defenitief te lig.

Ekt een van die manne:
Word genoem n Trifor winch.

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Hierdie is al wat hulle in Afrika gebruik, om daai swaar oorlaaide trokke mee te herwin uit die modder. Ek sal gou n foto nog soek. :problem:
Jy sien, hier kom die regte ding nou!, Ek weet jy gaan een he vir die RTH trip maar ek dink ook aan presies waarvan jy hier praat, wil so iets aanskaf net vir die in geval wat ek alleen travel want ek is dom genoeg om dit te doen.
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So ding is swaar :o: :o:
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OOOOMS wrote:So ding is swaar :o: :o:
Seker so maar as ek alleen is en in die moeilikheid kom gaan ek bly wees die ding is saam........
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Johannes van die See wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:So ding is swaar :o: :o:
Seker so maar as ek alleen is en in die moeilikheid kom gaan ek bly wees die ding is saam........
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Jy kan my eenigetyd bel, ek sal kom help as jy so diep inni K dubbel a nog 'n k is :wink2:
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OOOOMS wrote:So ding is swaar :o: :o:
Wat sal so 'n ding omtrent weeg?
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Doom wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:So ding is swaar :o: :o:
Wat sal so 'n ding omtrent weeg?
'n Redlike een / ordentlike handwinch van so 2.5 ton, so 30 - 35kg
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Ish! Dit sluit nou die kabel in?
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Ons het een hier getoets:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24733&hilit=nissan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seker so 35kg met kabel ek skat, die ding is nie net swaat nie maar jy kan nie bier drink en winch nie, so nee....nie vir my nie :thumbup:
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OOOOMS wrote:Ons het een hier getoets:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24733&hilit=nissan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seker so 35kg met kabel ek skat, die ding is nie net swaat nie maar jy kan nie bier drink en winch nie, so nee....nie vir my nie :thumbup:
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Ag ek bedoel koeldrank...... :oops: :oops: :oops:
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OOOOMS wrote:Ag ek bedoel koeldrank...... :oops: :oops: :oops:
Jip... glo jou.
Sien jou nie as 'n tafelwyn tipe nie, maar wel 'n tafel-bier outjie :think:
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Doom wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:Ag ek bedoel koeldrank...... :oops: :oops: :oops:
Jip... glo jou.
Sien jou nie as 'n tafelwyn tipe nie, maar wel 'n tafel-bier outjie :think:
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Yis Johannes,

Jy ry 'n Hilux... Los die winch :thumbup:

Ons het in April Baboons gedoen en koevoete, winches, crowbars en wat nog saam geneem en nooit gebruik nie - Erken die weer was goed en die roete droog.

Hou jou bakkie lig en vat dit rustig en as jy traksie verloor, stop en pak 'n paar klippe :thumbup: Ons is be rowwe plekke so uit - 2 SFA's en 'n IFS Pajero

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Doom wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:So ding is swaar :o: :o:
Wat sal so 'n ding omtrent weeg?
My 1.6 ton een weeg 21kg sonder kabel.
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SuidWes wrote:Yis Johannes,

Jy ry 'n Hilux... Los die winch :thumbup:

Ons het in April Baboons gedoen en koevoete, winches, crowbars en wat nog saam geneem en nooit gebruik nie - Erken die weer was goed en die roete droog.

Hou jou bakkie lig en vat dit rustig en as jy traksie verloor, stop en pak 'n paar klippe :thumbup: Ons is be rowwe plekke so uit - 2 SFA's en 'n IFS Pajero

Onthou handskoene en geduld :)

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Cheers,

PS. Wil volgende jaar RTH met die Prado aanpak :cooldude:
Ek is met jou, as mens dit rustig vat en elke lyn mooi beplan behoort dit goed te gaan, nou weet ek darem bietjie meer oor die tool, klink wel ongemaklik groot en swaar maar hy het seker sy voordeel die dag as jy hom regtig nodig het.

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Johannes : Los daai ding in jou prentjie . Ek sien buitendien nie waar jy die remote inprop nie.

Tirfor : Warn maak een wat jy enige plek kan haak EN hy werk met die battery van die bakkie. Kyk op hulle webwerf, dan sal jy sien wat ek bedoel. Ek dink hy kan 'n gewone wenas se plek inneem.m50c
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KOBUSL wrote:Johannes : Los daai ding in jou prentjie . Ek sien buitendien nie waar jy die remote inprop nie.

Tirfor : Warn maak een wat jy enige plek kan haak EN hy werk met die battery van die bakkie. Kyk op hulle webwerf, dan sal jy sien wat ek bedoel. Ek dink hy kan 'n gewone wenas se plek inneem.m50c
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Those little hand winches are quite handy, but not very strong .... OK to perhaps stabilise a vehicle, and the winching distance is small .... only about 1.2m at a time. I had one in the old lux that I kept behind the seat and used mainly to hoist carcasses into the load bin if I was hunting alone. Worked well for that.

The Tirfor (French brand name that is now generally used for these winches) is a proper winch with decent ratings, but they're heavy and bulky .... maybe the Warn equivalent is a bit better.

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Sorry, nou net aan iets gedink....... :o:

Jy kan jou hi-lift jack gebruik met die pully ketting sisteem anyway.....

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Lat so 'n brein moet vrot.Ek like OOOOmsie se plan :thumbup:
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george wrote:Lat so 'n brein moet vrot.Ek like OOOOmsie se plan :thumbup:
....ek soek nou nog net die kettings....

Weet iemand wat dit verkoop? Wa en wat dit kos ?
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Mark ek verstaan presies wat jy bedoel....

Maar ek ry liewer n naweek/vakansie met 35kg as heeljaar/permanent met 10/15kg op my voertuig.
PS, wat kla jy oor gewig met jou reeds 3680kg D4D! :tease:
george wrote: Dis moeilik om mee te werk.As jy om opdraai moet jy 'n load opsit en dan as jy die load afhaal dan lyk dit amper soos 'n kraaines en as jy dan weer winch kry die kabel "knakke".As die kabel snap kan hy lelik seermaak.Die tou is net beter.in AUS se 4x4 kompetiesies is die kabel verban.
Op RTH word toue n Straps nie voorgeskryf nie!! :blackeye:


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- Recovery van enige punt af.
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OOOOMS wrote:Sorry, nou net aan iets gedink....... :o:

Jy kan jou hi-lift jack gebruik met die pully ketting sisteem anyway.....




Mark, daai High lift jack trick is 'n 5 - Day Test
Die Trirfor is darem n 0ne day game
En n 12volt winch n T20/20!

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Cobus, dis maar net 'n alternatief......

Ons ry in elk geval rond met HLJ so dis net die ketting wat eksta is, seker nie veel meer as 10kg nie :?:

Die HLJ tested capacity 7,000 lbs, sal ek mee kan leef, maar om R4k + vir 'n ding wat ek seker nooit gaan gebruik nie leef ek ma met die '5 day test' en besides ek haat 5dag kriket, maar as ek moet....wel ja so be it :thumbup: :wink2:
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Die draad het baie interesant geraak.

Cobus ek stem saam alles wat jy se, en jy het reeds die regte ding wat n bonis is vir jou, wat my betref moet ek nou weer saam met Mark stem, om daai som geld te spend is bietjie kens, ek het reeds die HLJ so om n paar meter ketting te koop gaan veel goedkoper wees en net so prakties.

Dankie Mark, daai is nogal n gawe stukie inligting! :thumbup:
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Johannes van die See wrote:Die draad het baie interesant geraak.

Cobus ek stem saam alles wat jy se, en jy het reeds die regte ding wat n bonis is vir jou, wat my betref moet ek nou weer saam met Mark stem, om daai som geld te spend is bietjie kens, ek het reeds die HLJ so om n paar meter ketting te koop gaan veel goedkoper wees en net so prakties.

Dankie Mark, daai is nogal n gawe stukie inligting! :thumbup:
Ek het so 'n ketting gesien erens lank terug in 'n 4x4 winkel, (was in 'n sak gewees) seker mens kan dalk so iets opmaak, mits jy die regte geslote link ketting kan kry?

Idees dalk?
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Ja, die HLJ werk, en as jy nou over-land het jy hom mos in elk geval by jou. Kettings is altyd 'n bonus, maar 'n paar goeie toue werk ook en is ook nie so swaar nie. Met 'n tou kan jy ook 'n "flip-flop" winch opstel as jy rerig in nood beland (ketting werk nie so mooi nie) .... jy hoef net twee balke af te kap.
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Mud Dog wrote:Ja, die HLJ werk, en as jy nou over-land het jy hom mos in elk geval by jou. Kettings is altyd 'n bonus, maar 'n paar goeie toue werk ook en is ook nie so swaar nie. Met 'n tou kan jy ook 'n "flip-flop" winch opstel as jy rerig in nood beland (ketting werk nie so mooi nie) .... jy hoef net twee balke af te kap.
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Never heard of this flip flop rope method before, please elaborate......
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Jy haal jou flip flops af, tou oor die skouer en TREK! :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Mud Dog wrote:Jy haal jou flip flops af, tou oor die skouer en TREK! :laugh2: :laugh2:
:taunt: :taunt: :taunt:

Confused....waarvoor is die balke dan..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dat twee mense kan bystaan en vir jou slat dat jy lou gat roer en met alle erns trek. :laugh2: :laugh2:


Nee, spot maar net Johannes ...... lees bietjie hier ...... viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11769&p=260994" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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OOOOMS wrote:Cobus, dis maar net 'n alternatief......

Ons ry in elk geval rond met HLJ so dis net die ketting wat eksta is, seker nie veel meer as 10kg nie :?:

Die HLJ tested capacity 7,000 lbs, sal ek mee kan leef, maar om R4k + vir 'n ding wat ek seker nooit gaan gebruik nie leef ek ma met die '5 day test' en besides ek haat 5dag kriket, maar as ek moet....wel ja so be it :thumbup: :wink2:
Ja man, jy ken my mos! :D:
Ek het nou reeds die blerrie ding, so vir my is dit fine.
Ek het ook al met 'n HLJ + Ketting recovery gedoen.

Mark, onthou net, daai HLJ + Ketting is net vir reguitlyn recovery. Jy kan nie die ketting om snatch block/pully gooi nie. (Maar ek weet jy kry van hulle)
Tirfor kan jy wel! :twisted:

Dis nou wel n Landy site, maar wel die lees werd:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Terwyl ons oor pulleys en snatch blocks praat, kyk gou hierna:
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Ek weet dis n bietjie of topic, maar op hierdie thread het ons gepraat oor modder:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17860" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jy kan hoe 'n groot winch hê, geheim bly om jou "sucktion" te breek in die modder! :thumbup:
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Must be a LR thing..... :mocking: :mocking: :mocking:
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Hier is goeie info oor recovery:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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cprinsloo wrote:Hier is goeie info oor recovery:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheers,

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OOOOMS wrote:Must be a LR thing..... :mocking: :mocking: :mocking:
Wel, by wie anders om recovery inligting te kry as die ouens wat die meeste vassit! Dit maak hulle die experts! :twisted:
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cprinsloo wrote:Hier is goeie info oor recovery:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheers,

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Cleaner wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:Must be a LR thing..... :mocking: :mocking: :mocking:
Wel, by wie anders om recovery inligting te kry as die ouens wat die meeste vassit! Dit maak hulle die experts! :twisted:
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Kaspaas wrote:
cprinsloo wrote:Hier is goeie info oor recovery:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheers,

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cprinsloo wrote:
Kaspaas wrote:
cprinsloo wrote:Hier is goeie info oor recovery:

http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtalk/v ... covery.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cheers,

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Oops, sorry, missed it, read a bit fast!!
Its all good Oom! :thumbup:
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Or you could try one of these

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Koop 'n 4x4 om nie vas te sit nie, maar die vervaardiger wy die helfte van die handleiding aan hoe om uit te kom ? Eish.
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:[/quote]Ek het so 'n ketting gesien erens lank terug in 'n 4x4 winkel, (was in 'n sak gewees) seker mens kan dalk so iets opmaak, mits jy die regte geslote link ketting kan kry?Idees dalk?[/quote]

Hier is 'n artikel hoe om dit te doen met al die parte wat jy gaan nodig he.Dis van die nissan site :twisted: Hulle gebruik dit nogal baie :laugh2:

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/GH_ShowArticle.asp?HID=27
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george wrote::
Ek het so 'n ketting gesien erens lank terug in 'n 4x4 winkel, (was in 'n sak gewees) seker mens kan dalk so iets opmaak, mits jy die regte geslote link ketting kan kry?Idees dalk?[/quote]

Hier is 'n artikel hoe om dit te doen met al die parte wat jy gaan nodig he.Dis van die nissan site :twisted: Hulle gebruik dit nogal baie :laugh2:

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/GH_ShowArticle.asp?HID=27[/quote]

Dankie George :thumbup:

Sien die Nissan's het goeie anker punte.... :shh:
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george wrote::
Ek het so 'n ketting gesien erens lank terug in 'n 4x4 winkel, (was in 'n sak gewees) seker mens kan dalk so iets opmaak, mits jy die regte geslote link ketting kan kry?Idees dalk?[/quote]

Hier is 'n artikel hoe om dit te doen met al die parte wat jy gaan nodig he.Dis van die nissan site :twisted: Hulle gebruik dit nogal baie :laugh2:

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/GH_ShowArticle.asp?HID=27[/quote]
Dankie George dit lyk nogal na n lekker idee, al wat my pla is, as jy klaar is moet mens weer die Hammerlocks en kettings af haal of wat. Ek sal nie die Hilift met daai los goete aan wil mount nie!
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