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Temporary load carrying capacity for SFA

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Hi guys

I've found out that I cannot use Firestone Air Suspension on my SFA since the chassis is too close to the wheel and the wheel will damage the air bag. This is quite a problem for me, since I need serious load carrying capacity for my overlanding trips with a family of five, but I don't want to loose articulation for when we play over weekends.

Someone suggested Camil shocks, but the people at Camil says I cannot use their shocks with my Old Man Emu blades - the shocks are too short.

Any other ideas? I already have the so-called "load-suspension" from Old Man Emu (with Gabriel Safari's), and my gat is sagging significantly when I load up. I don't want to go the route of another blade in the leaf springs.
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Speak to Mikem - They designed a pack for my SFA - 50mm lift with 450kg load....
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Ali check die uit..

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SuidWes wrote:Speak to Mikem - They designed a pack for my SFA - 50mm lift with 450kg load....

+1. Anything else is just putting too much strain elsewhere where it's not wanted, go with the correct suspension system from the beginning.


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Family_Dog wrote:
SuidWes wrote:Speak to Mikem - They designed a pack for my SFA - 50mm lift with 450kg load....

+1. Anything else is just putting too much strain elsewhere where it's not wanted, go with the correct suspension system from the beginning.


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ThysdJ wrote:Ali check die uit..

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Ja, maar Thys, daai is dieselfde as om nog 'n blade in te sit. Jy kan dit nie vinnig verander nie, soos mens met lugsakke sou kon maak nie. Jeez, ek is vies dat ek nie lugsakke kan insit nie. Dis die ideale oplossing.
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Alibaba wrote:
ThysdJ wrote:Ali check die uit..

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6625" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ja, maar Thys, daai is dieselfde as om nog 'n blade in te sit. .
Nie heeltemal dieselfde as 'n ekstra blade nie Ali. Hy werk net as jy vrag oplaai, en dan werk hy al hoe meer hoe groter die vrag raak... So as ou Lucky leeg loop gaan jy nie weet hy is daar nie... :shock:
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Ali, doen jouself 'n klein guns. Laai jou lorrie, gaan na 'n scrap metal plek toe, weeg jou lorrie, drink 'n pilletjie voordat jy na die skaal kyk....... :mrgreen:

Dan gaan jy vinnag op 'n diet.....glo my :!:
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OOOOMS wrote:Ali, doen jouself 'n klein guns. Laai jou lorrie, gaan na 'n scrap metal plek toe, weeg jou lorrie, drink 'n pilletjie voordat jy na die skaal kyk....... :mrgreen:

Dan gaan jy vinnag op 'n diet.....glo my :!:
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Alibaba wrote:
OOOOMS wrote:Ali, doen jouself 'n klein guns. Laai jou lorrie, gaan na 'n scrap metal plek toe, weeg jou lorrie, drink 'n pilletjie voordat jy na die skaal kyk....... :mrgreen:

Dan gaan jy vinnag op 'n diet.....glo my :!:
Ek probeer lig bly Oooms, ek probeer
As jy dit reg kry....laat my weet hoe saaaamblief :!: :beg:
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Hi Ali,

Just want to know, who told you that? There have to min 250 mm between the chassis and the top of the axle, not between the bumpstop on the chassis and the top of the axle. If one fit the Air Suspension the bumpstop get removed.

Then if you already have Ome Leafsprings in, how many blades are there in the pack? The heavy duty leafsprings have 7 blades in total. Ome make provision to add another blade 3rd from the top that one can handle more weight. To add one have to also fit the longer Centre bolt aswell, it might also be that one have to get longer u-bolts, it depends if the original Ome suspension fitment they included it or not.

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Ali,

Soos Louis se hierso kan jy defnitief nog "upgrade" op die OME suspension. Myne is soos daai een gedoen en het die naweek gaan toets op n rotsbank en ek kon nie sien dat daar n verskil is nie.

Hier is die link van my SFA wat ek nou daai 8vere Pack agter ingesit het. Ook moet ek se dat omdat myne meestal met baie van die gear heeltyd in rondry het ek nie opgemerk dat my artikulasie sleg benadeel is nie.

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Here is photo of my late departed Hilux with heavy duty OME leafsprings. At the back there was:
1. Rear Bumper Replacement
2. Spare wheel
3. 65lt Aux tank
4. 60lt Water tank
5. Drawer System
6. Canopy Ali
7. 60lt Fridge
8. Camping equipent & recovery gear
9. Biscuit sparewheel under Aux tank.

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4x4megaworldpta wrote:Hi Ali,

Just want to know, who told you that? There have to min 250 mm between the chassis and the top of the axle, not between the bumpstop on the chassis and the top of the axle. If one fit the Air Suspension the bumpstop get removed.

Then if you already have Ome Leafsprings in, how many blades are there in the pack? The heavy duty leafsprings have 7 blades in total. Ome make provision to add another blade 3rd from the top that one can handle more weight. To add one have to also fit the longer Centre bolt aswell, it might also be that one have to get longer u-bolts, it depends if the original Ome suspension fitment they included it or not.

Take photos, like to see what is going on.
Louis - Ciske at Gomad 4x4 (Gysie on the forum) and Norman Furcey at the Air Spring Supply Company (who import the Firestone Air Springs) told met that I didn't have enough space between the chassis and the wheel is too close together.

When my leaf spring were fitted, I was told that it was the Load Suspension. I have four leafs, two thick ones at the bottom and four shinner ones on top. See pictures:
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Alibaba wrote:When my leaf spring were fitted, I was told that it was the Load Suspension. I have four leafs, two thick ones at the bottom and four shinner ones on top. See pictures:
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Die OME suspension met 6 blades in soos op jou Hilux is vir light constant loads (medium/comfort Setup). Die Heavy duty Load (constant 250Kg rating) het nog n extra bladveer in wat 3rde van bo af op die springpack bykom en dan dit 7 maak.

MY SFA het ook die selfde probleem gehad met as ek hom laai, totdat ek vir hom die extra blade laat insit het.
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OK, ek het nou net met die ouens by Megaworld in Paardeneiland gepraat. Hulle sit Maandagoggend vir my 'n ekstra blade in.
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Ali,

Daais 'n Medium bladveer. Net nog 'n ding, airsprings se afstand meet mens van die chassis(Bumpstop uitgesluit op chassis) tot as(weereens bumstop rubber uitgesluit). Myne meet so 290mm.

Ek is bly hulle kan jou help. :thumbup:
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Also, Don't forget that you must not overload the axel as the RTI are getting very strict now and are not only pulling over trucks but also sedans and 4wd's and weighing them at the weigh bridge. Rather invest in a trailer for the longer trips where you will take the family.
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4x4megaworldpta wrote:Ali,

Daais 'n Medium bladveer. Net nog 'n ding, airsprings se afstand meet mens van die chassis(Bumpstop uitgesluit op chassis) tot as(weereens bumstop rubber uitgesluit). Myne meet so 290mm.

Ek is bly hulle kan jou help. :thumbup:
Louis, ja, maar hulle praat van die afstand tussen die chassis en die wiel. Hier is die ou se woorde:

"Die minimum spasie toelaatbaar is 80mm (A) vanaf die buite kant van die chassis tot die binnekant van die wiel. Op U voertuig is die afmeting 55mm dus gaan die lugsak deur skuur teen die wiel.

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