Hilux 4x4 Forum

ToyX4 wrote:Het vandag my powerbrakes gekry, so more het ek iets om te doen.

Cool Riaan, nou is jou van unstoppable of is dit nou stoppable...?

Cassie, die instruksies is bietjie meer as net inloop, n hele prosedure, hitte siklusse deur sit en afkoel storie...

Mark, ekt iets ingesit wat hom unstoppable ook gemaak het....

ToyX4 wrote:Cassie, die instruksies is bietjie meer as net inloop, n hele prosedure, hitte siklusse deur sit en afkoel storie...

Mark, ekt iets ingesit wat hom unstoppable ook gemaak het....

Hmmmmmmmmm.......ons sal seker hoooooor.....ne?

Wiele

OOOOMS wrote:

ToyX4 wrote:Cassie, die instruksies is bietjie meer as net inloop, n hele prosedure, hitte siklusse deur sit en afkoel storie...

Mark, ekt iets ingesit wat hom unstoppable ook gemaak het....

Hmmmmmmmmm.......ons sal seker hoooooor.....ne?

Wiele

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ToyX4 wrote:

OOOOMS wrote:

ToyX4 wrote:Cassie, die instruksies is bietjie meer as net inloop, n hele prosedure, hitte siklusse deur sit en afkoel storie...

Mark, ekt iets ingesit wat hom unstoppable ook gemaak het....

Hmmmmmmmmm.......ons sal seker hoooooor.....ne?

Wiele

3 letters - A R B

Asjas Rook Boom?

Shimano wrote:Eric,
Are you still on the original pads since you did the upgrade? My only concern with this upgrade is will we be able to get these pads again when required in future.

Wynand

"Pads will always be available as it is also used on other Toyota models. Cost for a replacement set of Bendix Heavy Duty pads are R655,50 incl vat.

Regards,

Leon Duigan "

Riaan,
Have you managed to fit your upgrade kit as yet and if so what was the end result? Hopefully a major improvement.

Wynand, yes, fitted. But I still need to bed them in, according to strict instructions from Powerbrake. Still have about 200km's to do, but the Lux is not running now, waiting for parts.
Will get to it during next week, and then I'll report back.

Any new news from the power brake guys anybody
I am still waiting for an answer from them. :boredom:

Piet, ek gaan more gou myne deur hulle hitte siklus sit, dan kan ek dit gebruik. Sal more aand kom verslag doen.

Lekker Riaan, vra hulle sommer waar is myne man

ToyX4 wrote:Piet, ek gaan more gou myne deur hulle hitte siklus sit, dan kan ek dit gebruik. Sal more aand kom verslag doen.

Vertel bietjie hoe doen jy dit en hoekom, ek het gedink die goed sal reg wees van hulle ma af

Oom Jaco, die manne van Powerbrake se daar moet n hitte siklus deurgaan en dan afkoel, sodat dit nie "thermal shock" nie, want dan kan die discs "warp"

Vir 300km dorp ry moet jy liggies op die brieke wees. Dan doen jy so ses stops van 80km/h af tot by 30km/h, maar nie te hard briek nie, dan weer so ses stops van 100km/h af tot 30km/h, maar dan kan jy hard op die briek pedaal trap. Dan ry jy vir 10 km sodat lugvloei die discs afkoel, dan stop jy die kar vir so halfuur dat die discs kan afkoel tot ambient temperature. Dan blykbaar is dit reg vir harde gebruik.

Ek het myne so gedoen, en daai outjies het warm geword, dat die rook by die pads uittrek.

En ek moet se, ek dink dit was die geld werd. Die Powerbrakes vat mooi vas en my bakkie met sy 33 muds op, stop BAIE beter as met die standaard discs. Ek het nou nie voor en na afmetings gevat nie, maar briek afstand is beslis beter.

Die Powerbrakes vat mooi vas en my bakkie ...<snip>..., stop BAIE beter as met die standaard discs.

I rest my case! ;)

The stopping power is greatly improved.


-F_D

Thx Riaan

Has anyone heard from Powerbrake about the December batch

Why did they stop making them?

Not enough sales.
They started again, Should be here next week

Any idea on price?

Gunta, here is a big write-up on powerbrake, and should answer all your q's
Cheers
viewtopic.php?f=92&t=12311&hilit=powerbrake

Bushwacker wrote:Gunta, here is a big write-up on powerbrake, and should answer all your q's
Cheers
viewtopic.php?f=92&t=12311&hilit=powerbrake

The topics have been merged into one.


-F_D

I received my discs yesterday. Somehow I thought they would be ventilated discs
I started to install them, but soon I realized that I will have to service the whole lot. The grease at the bearings flows like hot syrup,so I will replace everything. Nice job for a monday

Bushwacker wrote:Nice job for a monday

Sterkte

Eric, have they got stock yet? I am thinking to get me some.

Me two might now seriously consider this seeing that SWAMBO is now going to make use of Kaskar.

Mark & Cassie... they did get stock in last year, not sure whether they still have stock though. I can only reiterate that I am very happy with Bulldog's brakes still, have no issues with them whatsoever!

Email them and let us know their reply, please.


-F_D

I have sent them an email, will let you gents know if they do, and how many.

Big D wrote:I have sent them an email, will let you gents know if they do, and how many.

Thanks Deon

I also sent them an email, no response yet.

Thanks Mark

Phoned Leon from powerbrake on friday.
Good news they have stock and there was a slight decrease in price!!

Excellent! Guys, grab them while you can!!


-F_D

Van wrote:Phoned Leon from powerbrake on friday.
Good news they have stock and there was a slight decrease in price!!

What is a set going to set you back at the moment?

To be honest he just said that there was a drop in price.
I THINK he said R2370.00

I apologise if this is not correct as I have the memory of a "siff" that's been used for target practice.

But am 100% sure that the price has gone down

Van wrote:To be honest he just said that there was a drop in price.
I THINK he said R2370.00

I apologise if this is not correct as I have the memory of a "siff" that's been used for target practice.

But am 100% sure that the price has gone down

No problem.... thanks for the feedback and goodluck with the condition

That's less than I paid four years ago!


-F_D

I got an email from them. The cost is R2730.30 + R39.90 for postage.
I thought it was a vented disc that replaces the OEM but he informed me it has some grooves in. You can also use their pads: Bendix Ultimate FRONT pad set only - DB288HD @ R678.30 VAT incl if you dont want to change the discs.
Francois said they will still make a big difference in your braking power.

I got this reply from Leon regarding a kit for my van:

Leon from Powerbrake wrote:Hi Cassie,

I'm assuming your Hilux is the petrol engined model, not the diesel? Some diesel models used a different brake system to the petrol models.

The kit consists of a pair of (front) Powerbrake All Terrain Series high-performance slotted discs as well as a set of (front) matched high-performance Bendix Heavy Duty brake pads that have been extensively tested by us to provide the maximum performance and durability, when used in conjunction with the discs in the kit, on the car in question. The kit will offer strong, quiet, fade-free braking and excellent disc and pad life. You can expect a substantial improvement in brake performance, with far better fade resistance during emergency stops or mountain descents as well as improved wet weather braking. In terms of durability, you should get very good disc and pad life. Our kits utilize the standard calipers on the vehicle and fitment is as simple as a normal disc and pad change. There are no modifications to the vehicle.

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Please see the following links on our website:
All Terrain Kits - http://www.powerbrake.co.za/prod_kits/k ... errain.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pricing:
Powerbrake All Terrain Series upgrade kit (front AT discs & pads) - AT932288HD @ R2730,30 incl VAT (in stock now)

Copied below is an email sent me from Leon, at Powerbrakes:

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I just wanted to give you some feedback on these kits since we last corresponded.

After the first batch we produced September last year, we literally sold out on the kits within 2 days. We then cast a 2nd batch towards the end of 2010 which was also sold out immediately. At this time we noticed that many owners of SFA Hilux's that were requesting a brake upgrade were in fact running a Lexus V8 under the bonnet. This obviously puts serious strain on the brake system which is marginal even with the standard Hilux engine. Although our regular All Terrain upgrade kit would provide a noticeable improvement over OE brake parts, we felt it wasn't ideal for those models fitted with the powerful Lexus engine. We have thus put together a serious upgrade kit to suit SFA owners who run Lexus engines. This kit still uses our same All Terrain slotted performance discs, but instead of matching them with the Bendix heavy Duty pads, we match it to ultra high performance CCA compound pads from Endless Japan. The CCA pads do raise the price of the kit, but it would provide unmatched braking performance and pad life compared to any other brake kit worldwide. Due to demand we have cast a 3rd batch of discs and will make them available with both the Bendix Heavy Duty pads as in the past, as well as with the new Endless CCA pads. Below is some more details on the CCA pads, including full kit pricing. For reference I have included the latest pricing on the original All Terrain kit with Bendix pads as well.

Endless CCA:
Endless CCA is a Ceramic Carbon Metal compound manufactured by Endless Japan. Endless are a high-performance and race pad manufacturer who’s products are widely considered to be of the very best that money can buy. The Endless customer list includes a large number of leading GT, Touring Car, Endurance, Open-wheel, WRC and Rally Raid teams worldwide. While Endless pads are expensive, their unmatched performance and wear life have earned Endless an extremely strong following in high-level performance and race circles around the world. The Endless CCA compound is designed to offer unrivaled performance for high-performance street vehicles. CCA provides a particularly firm pedal feel and very strong initial 'bite'. Friction levels remain very strong across a wide temperature range. The CCA compound will offer substantially upgraded brake performance from cold to disc temperatures of 550 deg C, while being able to handle peak temperature spikes of up to 650 deg C for short periods. As with all Endless Ceramic Carbon Metal compounds, pad life is class-leading, often outlasting competitive performance street pads by 2-3 times, which offsets the purchase price considerably. Also important is that the CCA compound is kind to discs, hereby reducing long-term running costs.

Pricing:
Powerbrake All Terrain upgrade kit (front discs and Endless CCA pads) for SFA with Lexus V8 - AT932059CCA - R4303,50 incl VAT (in stock now)
Powerbrake All Terrain upgrade kit (front discs and Bendix Heavy Duty pads) for SFA with OE engine - AT932288HD - R2844,30 incl VAT (in stock now)

As usual, pads are also available separately for replacement purposes.

Best regards,

Leon Duigan
Powerbrake | South Africa
T) +27 12 803 0155 / 0092
F) +27 12 803 0200
sales@powerbrake.co.za
http://www.powerbrake.co.za
http://www.powerbrakeusa.com

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Good to see Powerbrakes still support our SFAs!! :)


-F_D

Eric, how much are the pads on there own?

Mark, probably double the price of the normal pads which are pretty effective oin their own. Please email Leon (or Clive Murphy) and ask them, I would also be interested in knowing.

I have no ties with these chaps at all other than being thoroughly convinced that there is nothing better for a SFA. After fitting their "All Terrain" kit conversion to Bulldog, the difference in braking was simply incredible, I became an instant convert! :)


-F_D

I am using the pads only not the discs and I can also feel the difference.

lets ask clive how many kits (min) he needs to import to make it worth while, the scary moments we have had pulling a boat!!!!! I will buy a kit

Ek sien die gesprek kom al 'n hele ruk aan en ek het nou nie al die kommetaar gelees nie, vergewe my as ek dalk iets gemis het. My een hilux is 'n grey import, die reeks tussen die 22R box shape en die 2.7 reeks wat SA gemis het. Groot was my verbasing die dag toe ek brake pads loop koop en my sample is nie van 'n lux nie ,maar van 'n Land cruser, die agterste skoene is ook van 'n cruiser, net sowat bietjie smaller. die skoene het ek sommer nuwe sool opgesit. Hy briek baie skerp. Ek is ook reeds in 'n finale staduim met disks agter op die import diff van 'n lux. Die konsep idee het ek van Allen gekry. Die calipers is van die Audi A4. Die lekkerte van die calipers is dat die handbriek werk met 'n kabel op elke caliper. Geen briekpedaal vastrekkery nie. Ek het ook die voorste discks van die hilux gebruik. Kortom het ek die volgende gedoen. Strip diff geheel op alke kant. Haal backplate af van side shaft. Sny binnekant van sideshaft skoon op draaibank. Fit disck aan binnekant van sideshaft. Vat 'n u.s shideshaft en sny flange gedeelte af. Sny die flange op draaibank voor en agter. Sny die flange so dat hy aan die buitekant van die sideshaft pas . Gebruik die voorste wheelstuds van die YN series hilux, nie die ou RN series nie. Press die wheelstuds van agter deur die disck,side shaft en flange. Trek vas met wielmoere. Sit sideshaft op draaibank en skim disk tot sowat 9 mm. Bou sideshaft met bearing terug. Maak bracket vir caliper en bout bracet vas op binnekant van diff cassing (4 bolts) vas. Maak shims sodat disck mooi senter in caliper gleuwe loop. Het non nie die diff fisies onder 'n lux gehad nie. Al wat nog pla , moet daar nie dalk 'n effense aanpassing op die brake master cylinder gedoen moet word nie ?

jammer, iets belangrik vergeet. Dit is die AGTERSTE calipers van die Audi, nie die voorste nie. Die rede hoekom ek 'n u.s toyota side shaft se flange gebruik is omdat die wheelstud gate presies match met die sideshaft en disck.

Willem, you need yo post pics so we can see what you are doing mate.

Ek sal eers by 'n kundige moet aanklop hoe om die foto's af te laai.

Hey Oom's en guys,

Are there anybody (since Oct 2011) that bought a set of these?
Seriously looking for a upgrade, past weekend we had heavy rain, and I could not make a sharp turn. Went straight down a small decline. Nothing serious, but could have been a different story on a 4x4-trail.

Kaspaas wrote:Hey Oom's en guys,

Are there anybody (since Oct 2011) that bought a set of these?
Seriously looking for a upgrade, past weekend we had heavy rain, and I could not make a sharp turn. Went straight down a small decline. Nothing serious, but could have been a different story on a 4x4-trail.

Ek het laasweek juis weer 'n prys gekry...

302mm solid disc set-up:
Pricing:
Powerbrake All Terrain Series FRONT upgrade kit (front AT discs and front Powerbrake Heavy Duty pads) - AT932288HD @ R2844.30 incl VAT (currently in stock)

289mm vented disc set-up (Legend 35 Hilux):
Pricing:
Powerbrake All Terrain Series FRONT upgrade kit (front AT discs and front Powerbrake AT2 pads) - AT9281149U @ R2907.00 incl VAT (currently in stock)

Okay, dankie Cassie!

Die pryse lyk baie goed!


Al gesien op nuwe Hiluxes en die ouens is baie gelukkig!

im in better brakes sound good. some hand brake even better

Put in cruiser disc's and pads up front, they work much better. You use the 2.7 hilux calipers .

can you they supply rear disc conversions for the sfa.. if so how much

No they dont but if you use the cruiser discs in the front you can use your discs and calipers on the back. Speak to Ronald Hairbottle 082 376 5378 he will be able to do it for you.

I spoke to the guys at Power Brake directly.
they do supply for the rear - but they do not recommend fitting discs to the rear. When Im back from the wekend I will dig up the email conversation i had with them and copy you if you are interested.....

It is actually saver to have drum breaks at the rear than discs on load carrying vehicles.

CasKru wrote:It is actually saver to have drum breaks at the rear than discs on load carrying vehicles.

Hi Guys -
Yes - that is basically what Powerbrake said to me.
Also my apologies - i said earlier that they DID have a REAR disc set for SFA's - i was wrong - they do not have one - only front.

FYI - a copy of Francois Duigan's email to me below - he was very helpful:

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Hi Jim

We do not manufacture a rear kit for the SFA.

We would recommend leaving your rears as is (ie not upgrading them). The manufacturer has carefully set the brake balance on the vehicle (remember that the fronts do the majority of the brake work - anything up to 85%. The harder you brake, the less pressure is sent to the rear) and increasing the brake torque at the rear can lead to an overall decrease in braking efficiency and worse still, the car can become unstable under braking. So, we recommend that you leave the rears as is - ensuring that they work correctly as intended - and concentrate your upgrading efforts at the front.

If you have poor braking, fitting rear discs will not improve the matter, since the rear wheels are unloaded under braking (i.e. weight is transferred forward) and will do very little in terms of stopping the vehicle in a hard braking situation.

Regards
Francois Duigan

Powerbrake | South Africa
T) +27 12 803 0155 / 0092
F) +27 12 803 0200
sales@powerbrake.co.za
http://www.powerbrake.co.za" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.powerbrakeusa.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spoke to Francois this morning.... NO STOCK...... Delivery date +- 14 days..........