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Bacterial growth in Diesel
I've been meaning to start this one for a while now.
Who of you have ever considered (of course diesel only) that bacterial growth can be a problem for your fuel system??
Cladisporium Resinai is your enemy in this case.
Who of you have ever considered (of course diesel only) that bacterial growth can be a problem for your fuel system??
Cladisporium Resinai is your enemy in this case.
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Wouldn't it be the same as with water where if it stagnant you might get bacterial growth?
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Just found an article on this. It seems that if your Diesel at any stage get contaminated with water you can get Diesel bug. The bacteria grows in the water in the Diesel. This shouldn't be a problem with diesel in your tank of your vehicle but maybe in a jerrycan you store diesel for longs periods of time.
Contamination – Bacteria and ‘The Diesel Bug’.
Diesel fuel has an inherent bacteria and when water is added this bacteria is able to breed. This ‘bug’ will form a layer between the fuel and the water and as it breeds it produces waste which is usually evident as black or dark lumps.
Water can also encourage the build-up of microbes, algae and even fungi which can develop many types of sludge and residue within the fuel. This biomass may drop to the bottom of the tank or it may suspend in the fuel. Either way, it will clog up the filters and lead to expensive damage to equipment, with breakdowns in power supply.
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Water is the catalyst so you are on the right track.
You get both bacterial and fungal growth, and both can create up to 10kg of organic matter within 24hours when conditions are perfect. They also grow in tandem, as you get aerobic and anerobic organisms to some need oxygen and some can only live without oxygen. But they all need water. And they grow at their best where water and diesel meet. The problem is that a drop of water is a huge amount of water for an organism that might only weigh 1/1,000,000 of one gram.
These organisms (up to 27 different ones) can double their numbers every 20 minutes.
You get both bacterial and fungal growth, and both can create up to 10kg of organic matter within 24hours when conditions are perfect. They also grow in tandem, as you get aerobic and anerobic organisms to some need oxygen and some can only live without oxygen. But they all need water. And they grow at their best where water and diesel meet. The problem is that a drop of water is a huge amount of water for an organism that might only weigh 1/1,000,000 of one gram.
These organisms (up to 27 different ones) can double their numbers every 20 minutes.
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And I'm guessing this would actually be more of a problem if you use BioDiesel
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The shocking part is that Cladisporium Resinai and his buddies feed of hydrocarbons and sulfur. So normal diesel is the fair as well.
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But if they feed of hydrocarbons then most forms of fuel could get bacterial growth or does it need to be oil based?Traveler wrote:The shocking part is that Cladisporium Resinai and his buddies feed of hydrocarbons. So normal diesel is the fair as well.
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Yip die dinge is naar maar die waar. Dis glad nie goed vir 'n voertuig om lank te staan met 'n tank diesel nie. Op die plaas het ons altyd 'n punt daarvan gemaak om elke aand die trekkers en lorries se tanke fol te maak tot dit amper uitloop na 'n lang dag se werk dit help ook om die vorming van water te keer.
Toe ek my bakkie die dag gaan optel by Toyota was sy tank nutuurlik leeg, jy kry mos nie 'n vol tank met 'n nuwe motor nie. Ek het by hulle weg gery die Maandag aand en 4 myl na my huis toe gery, die volgende oggend het ek gaan vol maak en 12 myl later toe kom die water warning light vir die diesel filter aan, gelukkig was ek nie te ver van 'n ander toyota garage af nie. Hulle het toe die filter gedrain en reset en charge my toe £50. Hulle sê toe dat dit is die garage waar ek die diesel ingegooi het se skuld. Ek dink nog steed dat die bakkie het 'n paar maande hier in die UK by Toyota se depo gestaan voor ek hom bestel het en dis hoekom daar toe water in die tank is.
Toe ek my bakkie die dag gaan optel by Toyota was sy tank nutuurlik leeg, jy kry mos nie 'n vol tank met 'n nuwe motor nie. Ek het by hulle weg gery die Maandag aand en 4 myl na my huis toe gery, die volgende oggend het ek gaan vol maak en 12 myl later toe kom die water warning light vir die diesel filter aan, gelukkig was ek nie te ver van 'n ander toyota garage af nie. Hulle het toe die filter gedrain en reset en charge my toe £50. Hulle sê toe dat dit is die garage waar ek die diesel ingegooi het se skuld. Ek dink nog steed dat die bakkie het 'n paar maande hier in die UK by Toyota se depo gestaan voor ek hom bestel het en dis hoekom daar toe water in die tank is.
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Heel waarskynlik want kondensasie speel ook 'n groot rol
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Surely cannot fault that view. It seems from what I can read that sulphur is very important in their food chain. And then as a fuel, diesel is much more organic than your higher level fuels and also less stable. When diesel becomes cold you can see the waxes form, that will not happen to petrol (should not happen).CasKru wrote:But if they feed of hydrocarbons then most forms of fuel could get bacterial growth or does it need to be oil based?Traveler wrote:The shocking part is that Cladisporium Resinai and his buddies feed of hydrocarbons. So normal diesel is the fair as well.
Alcohol is the enemy of these bacteria and they things like methylated spirits is used to rinse tanks that has heavy infestations.
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Frikkie, jy is reg. Dit word aanbeveel om tenks so vol as moontlik te maak wanneer die voertuig gaan staan sodat daar minimale ruimte is vir kondensasie om plaas te vind.
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En funny genoeg... spirits is ook 'n hydrocarbonTraveler wrote:Surely cannot fault that view. It seems from what I can read that sulphur is very important in their food chain. And then as a fuel, diesel is much more organic than your higher level fuels and also less stable. When diesel becomes cold you can see the waxes form, that will not happen to petrol (should not happen).CasKru wrote:But if they feed of hydrocarbons then most forms of fuel could get bacterial growth or does it need to be oil based?Traveler wrote:The shocking part is that Cladisporium Resinai and his buddies feed of hydrocarbons. So normal diesel is the fair as well.
Alcohol is the enemy of these bacteria and they things like methylated spirits is used to rinse tanks that has heavy infestations.
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Edzackery.CasKru wrote:En funny genoeg... spirits is ook 'n hydrocarbon
Still trying to get my head around the fact that something can grow in diesel and feed of it.
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Nou wonder ek so by myself. Myself... kan parafien nie dan ook dieselfde oor kom nie?Traveler wrote:Edzackery.CasKru wrote:En funny genoeg... spirits is ook 'n hydrocarbon
Still trying to get my head around the fact that something can grow in diesel and feed of it.
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Goeie blikkies het dit nie geweet nie
Hoofkantoor elke keer as ons n drop kry
toets vir water met paste .
En die probes in die tank wys ook n water reading
Ons het al kliente gekry wat hier by ons hul luck kom
try het en se ons het het water in ons tenks .
as ek dan die stok indruk en vir die klient wys dat die paste nie pers raak dan kan hul dit nie glo nie . My Woorde aan hul is altyd : As ons water in gehad het , dan sou almal in ons omgewing se diesels gestaan het .
sodra ek n sample vat van die voertuig se tenk dan wys dit gewoonlik
waar die probleem is.
Manne met n duur bulldozer het eendag hier in n 25l kanne kom
diesel ingooi , kort voorlank toe is hul terug en se daar is water bla bla bla
toe ek hul kann bekyk en die laaste sludge in n glas gooi toe is daar nog chemicals oor van n vorige produk wat daar in was .
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Eish.... en dit is mos nooit hulle eie skuld nieBlumTRD wrote:
Goeie blikkies het dit nie geweet nie
Hoofkantoor elke keer as ons n drop kry
toets vir water met paste .
En die probes in die tank wys ook n water reading
Ons het al kliente gekry wat hier by ons hul luck kom
try het en se ons het het water in ons tenks .
as ek dan die stok indruk en vir die klient wys dat die paste nie pers raak dan kan hul dit nie glo nie . My Woorde aan hul is altyd : As ons water in gehad het , dan sou almal in ons omgewing se diesels gestaan het .
sodra ek n sample vat van die voertuig se tenk dan wys dit gewoonlik
waar die probleem is.
Manne met n duur bulldozer het eendag hier in n 25l kanne kom
diesel ingooi , kort voorlank toe is hul terug en se daar is water bla bla bla
toe ek hul kann bekyk en die laaste sludge in n glas gooi toe is daar nog chemicals oor van n vorige produk wat daar in was .
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Re: Bacterial growth in Diesel
Die ouens hier by ons met bote sit ook met dieselfde probleem.
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Bacillus spesies, Citrobacter, acinetobacter, falvobacterium..ect is almal baie lief om in Diesel te groei....so ook Candida, aspergillus en Penicillin spesies..... hulle word in ons omgewing HUMbugs genoem...hydrocarbon utilising bacteria. Daar is omtrent 27 soorte "bugs" wat fuels prefer as groeimedium
Ek kweek somtyd aspris die organismes om environmental spills skoon te maak.....
In Jetfuel gebruik die verskaffers baie keer biosied om die Mikroorganismes dood te maak....
O ja.... as jou fuel nie biosied in het nie sal jy altyd 'n baie klein populasie bugs he....al is daar geen water nie....
Ek het al mikroorganismes geisoleer vanaf ethanol- dit vorm spore in die ethanol....so ja enige vorm van "fuel" kan mikroorganismes in he....
Ek kweek somtyd aspris die organismes om environmental spills skoon te maak.....
In Jetfuel gebruik die verskaffers baie keer biosied om die Mikroorganismes dood te maak....
O ja.... as jou fuel nie biosied in het nie sal jy altyd 'n baie klein populasie bugs he....al is daar geen water nie....
Ek het al mikroorganismes geisoleer vanaf ethanol- dit vorm spore in die ethanol....so ja enige vorm van "fuel" kan mikroorganismes in he....
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Jy sien nê.. en hier dink mens nog al die pad mens kan alles dood maak met etanol / alkohol / metanol etc.Mammabeer wrote:Bacillus spesies, Citrobacter, acinetobacter, falvobacterium..ect is almal baie lief om in Diesel te groei....so ook Candida, aspergillus en Penicillin spesies..... hulle word in ons omgewing HUMbugs genoem...hydrocarbon utilising bacteria. Daar is omtrent 27 soorte "bugs" wat fuels prefer as groeimedium
Ek kweek somtyd aspris die organismes om environmental spills skoon te maak.....
In Jetfuel gebruik die verskaffers baie keer biosied om die Mikroorganismes dood te maak....
O ja.... as jou fuel nie biosied in het nie sal jy altyd 'n baie klein populasie bugs he....al is daar geen water nie....
Ek het al mikroorganismes geisoleer vanaf ethanol- dit vorm spore in die ethanol....so ja enige vorm van "fuel" kan mikroorganismes in he....
Klink na 'n interesante werk wat jy het so by the way
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Ek het oplossing vir die ding.
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Of turbine so die M1A1 AbrahmsTraveler wrote:Ek het oplossing vir die ding.
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..............daai is plan, 'n turbine klink beter as 'n kernreaktor.CasKru wrote:Of turbine so die M1A1 AbrahmsTraveler wrote:Ek het oplossing vir die ding.
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Probleem met die kernreaktor is dat jy kakkerlakke in jou reaktor gaan kry en nie fungi en bakteriee nie.
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Traveler wrote:..............daai is plan, 'n turbine klink beter as 'n kernreaktor.CasKru wrote:Of turbine so die M1A1 AbrahmsTraveler wrote:Ek het oplossing vir die ding.
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Yip yip , vind die microble growth heelwat in ons vliegtuie se tanks ( jet A1).
Daar is 'n produk wat ons gebruik om te help daarmee , Biobar.
Dit is hier by die lughawe beskikbaar (Lanseria),
As jul belangstel kan jul my kontak en ek kan vir in die hande kry....
Daar is 'n produk wat ons gebruik om te help daarmee , Biobar.
Dit is hier by die lughawe beskikbaar (Lanseria),
As jul belangstel kan jul my kontak en ek kan vir in die hande kry....