ASPW 4WD

Post by **george** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:04 pm

Have you guys seen the program 4WD from Andrew St P White last night He did a solo up in the Kalahari but he lost a tyre and then abandoned the trip? :roll: He said he do not trust the tyres. The side wall gave in and was shredded without being punctured.

He was just driving in a sand track.IIRC it was BF Goodridge AT.

Anyway it is good to see something different on the Telly.It is not a great show, but is better than Egoli

Buff · Post by **Buff** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:14 pm

Yep, what a wally. All that way just to turn around. Wys net hoe raas jou kop as jy alleen en bang is

BTW, those were not BF's, they were Bridgestone Geolanders.

Post by **george** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:17 pm

BTW, those were not BF's, they were Bridgestone Geolanders.

That is good to know

Must say he was very nervous.He basically slept in the car

Buff · Post by **Buff** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:21 pm

LOL... that's an understatement. He certainly won't be following in Kingsley Holgate's footsteps.

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:30 pm

Bridgestone geolanders? Isnt Geolander, Yokohama?

Bushwacker · Post by **Bushwacker** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:36 pm

Big D wrote:Bridgestone geolanders? Isnt Geolander, Yokohama?

Buff · Post by **Buff** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:40 pm

... okay, let's put it this way then... They were Not BF's

Post by **george** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:00 pm

.. okay, let's put it this way then... They were Not BF's

I think we need to find out what it was then.On another forum I heard someone mentioning Duelers

I found this pic of his cruiser.Tyres are not to clear

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:07 pm

ASPW is a tonsil!!

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Yip def Duelers

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:27 pm

I think it is the same @#$@$ they had on the Fortuner, General Grabbers something

Post by **Family_Dog** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Sad to say, it appears that ASPW does not like anything that is not sponsored. If they were Duelers, this would be the very first negative thing I have ever heard about the Bridgestones. During last season's show, Andre Safari raved about them.

Anyway, I have just fitted four of them to White Fang, so

to Mr. White.

-F_D

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:42 pm

Tyres are only as good as it's looked after.

Wrong tyre pressures or not monitoring it regularly is the main cause in the Kalahari where the sand will easily reach 50deg +

Most locals there and in Namibia use truck tyres (750/16 12ply)

Post by **george** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:52 pm

Eric I share your sentiments.I just ordered a set for me. :?
But I am pretty sure it was not Duelers.The re-run is tommorow
4WD- TAKE A DEEP BREATH EPS. 2 16-Oct-09 09:30:00 10:00:00 SuperSport Five

Agteros · Post by **Agteros** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:17 pm

george wrote:It is not a great show, but is better than Egoli

No Egoli is better!

Post by **Family_Dog** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:13 pm

Thanks George, I'm not a fan of his, but I have set the VCR to record the program on Friday. Whether I bother watching the rest of the episodes or not largely depends on what I see tomorrow. For a bloke who literally grew up with 4x4s, I'm not impressed with any of his shows at all. I would expect better. This must be the second worst show on TV after Clipz.

-F_D

ToyX4 · Post by **ToyX4** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:18 pm

Bridgestone Dueller D694.

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:10 pm

Eeeish guys cut the guy some slack he's not such a bad oke.

Remember that it's not just him and his VCR there's a Production House calling the shots who rely on Income from Sponsors then there's the Saleable Entertainment Factor and so on and so forth, it's not as clear cut as you'd think. :roll:

Andrew is not that daft believe me.

Interestingly these are the same tyres that caused the Timbuktu to Cape Town Expedition (coincided with the launch of the Fortuner in RSA) to turn around and go back to base to fit Michelins.

:!:

Those tyres are not so lekker nê

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:50 am

Buff wrote:LOL... that's an understatement. He certainly won't be following in Kingsley Holgate's footsteps.

Just BTW, IIRC Holgate used Cooper STT's.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:09 am

Mud Dog wrote:
Buff wrote:LOL... that's an understatement. He certainly won't be following in Kingsley Holgate's footsteps.
Just BTW, IIRC Holgate used Cooper STT's.

I believe that would be BF's you are referring to... :)

Post by **Mud Dog** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:39 am

CasKru wrote:
Mud Dog wrote:
Buff wrote:LOL... that's an understatement. He certainly won't be following in Kingsley Holgate's footsteps.
Just BTW, IIRC Holgate used Cooper STT's.
I believe that would be BF's you are referring to... :)

No, .... Cooper's

See
http://landroversolutions.co.za/index.p ... &Itemid=44

and

http://www.dunlop.co.za/readonly/docs/C ... ochure.pdf

Post by **george** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:35 am

Interestingly these are the same tyres that caused the Timbuktu to Cape Town Expedition (coincided with the launch of the Fortuner in RSA) to turn around and go back to base to fit Michelins.

Now I (and Eric) am getting worried.

Personally I think he will iritate the cr@p out of me if I go on a trip with him,but I do salute him

He is doing full time what some of us dream about.So good to him.

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:04 am

He is doing full time what some of us dream about.So good to him

I fully agree George!

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:13 am

I will still recommend his first book and DVD to anybody. There he teaches 4x4 basics and he teaches it well m2cw

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:17 am

CasKru wrote:I will still recommend his first book and DVD to anybody. There he teaches 4x4 basics and he teaches it well m2cw

Like most things the Original Production was the best, thereafter the pressures of Commercial Ventures and influence of others downstream turn good things meadiocre.... as Robbie sings... Let me Entertain You :roll:

One on one he's a super guy and if you ever get the chance to hear one of his Lecture's you'll see a very different side to the one the Sponsors and Producers show you

Post by **george** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:53 am

It is Bridgstone Duelers A/T.

Now I am starting to think twice about ordering my set :problem:

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:42 am

george wrote:It is Bridgstone Duelers A/T. Now I am starting to think twice about ordering my set :problem:

Yeah I tuned in too George to double check for you, deffo Bridgestone Dueler A/T :wth:

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:51 am

george wrote:It is Bridgstone Duelers A/T. Now I am starting to think twice about ordering my set :problem:

I'll have to see check the program tonight (recorded it this morning) to give my opinion. I'm not sure what he said about the tyre but my guess the reason he turned back was that he had only one spare and did not want to tempt fate and not because he did not like the tyre.

The comment was made above that AdV raved about the Bridgestones. Yes that is true but to keep it in perspective, he is sponsored by Bridgestone.

PS: My brother toured the richtersveld, namib etc (8000km) in his Pajero and Conquerer offroad trailer and both of these vehicles had the Duelers fitted and he did not have one puncture.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:34 pm

George, I posted the question about new AT tyres on three forums and by far the consensus was to fit the Dueler 694 tyres. The tyre Dealer agreed, yet they were not that expensive and he stood to make more out of BFG KM2 from me. But I don't really need MT on White Fang, as that is more my touring vehicle.

The old Cooper HT tyres did me well too, only problem ever was a thorn puncturing the sidewall - but those horrid little white thorns would probably do that to practically any tyre - and they were a bit wanting on grip on sloping rocks. But they managed Sani Pass, Zeerust and Berakah without any problems.

I watched the taped episode about an hour ago, they were definitely D694s but it did appear that he ran the specific tyre very flat, as can be seen from the photos he showed during his lunch break before the side walls gave in.

All in all, I have never heard anything bad said about the Dueler D694s except from ASPW, and I think he over-played it a bit too.

-F_D

Post by **CasKru** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:06 am

Okay... now my "professional"

opinion. As Eric stated above, He ran that specific tyre extremely flat due to a slow puncture I suppose. When he realised that the tyre was flat it was to late due to the extreme heat in the parts of Africa he was travelling. But put that all aside.

Those that watch the show might remember that right in the beginning of the episode he tells of his "race" to make it in time to the camp before they close. He said the road in begin was a nice tar road which became increasingly worse as he got closer to the camp and closer to closing time. As he put it, he had to "gun" it over extremely bas surfaces. He talked about how everything rattled etc.

My guess is that in the racing to get to the gate in time, he hit an extremely bad pothole which did some damage which was maybe not notable at the time. And then when he drove with the overly deflated tyre this damage just got worse and let to the premature failure of the side wall. M1RW

esajoda · Post by **esajoda** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:49 am

IMHO, wrong tyre pressures(to low) will damage any tyre like that, the way the sides where cut could only have been caused by the sides of the rim.

ToyX4 · Post by **ToyX4** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:32 am

I agree Cassie. Something happened, that ASPW is not telling us.

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:26 pm

I was going to post a topic here on the forum. This was regarding my recent trip to Kgalakadi. It was regarding tyres and the amount they bulge. The 3 tyres we had on 3 different Hiluxes were BF Goodrich TA/KO AT and Bridgestone Deulers 694 AT and my Cooper Discovery ST. But having seen this thread I thought it would be of interest to include it.

We all let our tyres down to about 1.5 bar but what I noticed was that the Deulers and BF Goodrich's bulged a lot more then the Coopers. Infact I was able to let mine down a lot lower then the rest before it looked like the others. I went to about 0.8bar and only then dit it resemble the other 2 tyres. I'm sure the different loads of the 3 vehicles could of made some difference but I was only comparing the front tyres which should have not really been effected by the load in the rear. The BF Goodrich bulged the most with the Bridgestones not far behind.

I quote from Mud Dog's posting further up this thread http://landroversolutions.co.za/index.p ... &Itemid=44 The Cooper Discoverer S/T and STT is designed to maximise traction in mud and sand surfaces. It features a deep, wide tread pattern and a straighter, stiffer sidewall to minimise the risk of sidewall damage and punctures in severe off-road conditions.

Maybe the Bridgestone and BF Goodrich should not be aired down a lot, just a thought.

I don't have my truck with me because it in the process of being EFI'd but what I wanted to do was take a picture of my tyre at say 2 Bar and then again at 1 Bar to see the differende. Maybe a measurment of the tread contact could be included by pushing a sheet of paper in front of the tyre and one behind the tyre and measuring the different readings at different preassures. This could make an interesting topic if someone wants to start it I will include my findings when I get my truck back.

Who is up to it?

Wayne · Post by **Wayne** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:36 pm

Heres my 2c worth,
I watched the episode and noted the following:
Before he started out in the morning he lowered his tyre pressure to 1.5 bar. (As we all do before going in soft sand)
Then later in the day when he had been driving for awhile he checked his tyre pressure and the tyres were at 1.8 bar (No suprise there, the tyres a warmed up)
BUT then he lowers them back down to 1.5 bar (This I find odd, you only check and set your tyre pressure when cold)
This means his now Cold tyre pressure is probably 1.2 - 1.3 bar.
Add to that a slow leak that was not picked up and guaranteed the sidewall is going to overheat.

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