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by Ahari
Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Old Man Emu leaf spring noise
Replies: 5
Views: 1267

Re: Old Man Emu leaf spring noise

Thanks. I will try with a good clean followed by motorbike chain wax which is not sticky and quite slippery and see if that works.
by Ahari
Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Old Man Emu leaf spring noise
Replies: 5
Views: 1267

Re: Old Man Emu leaf spring noise

Thanks for your input. I have already triple tacked the sleeves on the one side (following advice from the local OME agents), but am feeling like I should rather use a punch on the other side or just one tack at the end of the eye. I will try your idea of just tightening up the clamps as well as lub...
by Ahari
Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Can I weld a loose shackle?
Replies: 4
Views: 860

Re: Can I weld a loose shackle?

These are press fitted in the factory (OME) and that is why I was cautious
by Ahari
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:43 am
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Can I weld a loose shackle?
Replies: 4
Views: 860

Re: Can I weld a loose shackle?

Wow! That was fast!!

Thank you for the very helpful response. I feel a lot better about welding the shackles now. Some good tips too!

Unless someone else contradicts what you just said, I'll be outside setting up my welder! :)

Thank you so much!!
by Ahari
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Old Man Emu leaf spring noise
Replies: 5
Views: 1267

Old Man Emu leaf spring noise

I have a SFA Hilux with Old Man Emu suspension. Most times when I turn a corner there is a clonk noise from the suspension and it's driving me nuts!! Apparently this is fairly common!? After much Googling and a lot of thought I think I have narrowed it down to 2 possible causes: 1 - Loose sleeves in...
by Ahari
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Can I weld a loose shackle?
Replies: 4
Views: 860

Can I weld a loose shackle?

I hope someone can shed some light here. I have an Old Man Emu suspension system in my SFA Hilux and the OME press fit shackle pins are loose in the plates. I want to just weld them in place, but don't want to damage any heat treatments. Does anyone know if this is okay to do? I don't want to spend ...
by Ahari
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Limited edition gearbox type?
Replies: 2
Views: 751

Re: Limited edition gearbox type?

Thank you!! :)
by Ahari
Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:55 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Limited edition gearbox type?
Replies: 2
Views: 751

Limited edition gearbox type?

Can anyone tell me what type of gearbox is fitted to my 1998 2.4 Double cab Limited edition Raider? Also where to get the appropriate workshop manual?

I think it's a G52, but am not sure! How to tell?

Thanks in advance for any help!
by Ahari
Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:32 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

I am also keen to hear any suggestions for improving the fan efficiency!
by Ahari
Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:30 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Long Range tank filler pipe
Replies: 7
Views: 1467

Re: Long Range tank filler pipe

Thanks Dawie. There is light at the end of the tunnel! I think it could fit or be made to fit.

I will phone Front Runner in the morning to confirm some other dimensions and prices.

Thanks for the help!
by Ahari
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:38 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Long Range tank filler pipe
Replies: 7
Views: 1467

Re: Long Range tank filler pipe

Dawie, thanks for the pic! I can't believe how similar the pipes are!

Have you fitted it yet?

Can I ask what the ID of the main rubber pipe is?
by Ahari
Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:14 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Long Range tank filler pipe
Replies: 7
Views: 1467

Re: Long Range tank filler pipe

Thanks for the tip Ali3n. I already have the y-piece for the filler cap - it came with the long range tank. It is a very nice one and it is electroplated! Nobody stocks a pipe anywhere near what I need - I guess the only other option is to make one up myself out of 90 deg and 45 deg bends, some stra...
by Ahari
Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:26 am
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Long Range tank filler pipe
Replies: 7
Views: 1467

Long Range tank filler pipe

I have an 89 Hilux SFA double cab with a Storm 4x4 accessories blue plastic long range tank under bin and above the spare wheel (I think it is a Storm) My problem is that the filler pipe (as well as the pipe joining the 2 tanks) is old and needs replacing. Does anyone know where I can get a replacem...
by Ahari
Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:10 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

I know it has been a while, but I thought I would post an update for anyone who is interested. I managed to get an aircon for my bakkie! My mechanic bought my old bakkie and didn't want the aircon, so I got it for free! Only cost R1500 to move it over to my "new" 89 Hilux - yay!! :yahoo: :...
by Ahari
Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:04 pm
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: 1988 Hilux Rebirth - Final
Replies: 21
Views: 3635

Re: 1988 Hilux Rebirth - Final

Looking good! :cooldude: Busy doing the same with my 89 model! Glad to see I'm not the only one that believes these old bakkies are worth it! I am only at the very beginning and getting the mechanics sorted out - cosmetics and mods are next! My 88 model rusted away quite badly, but my mechanic took ...
by Ahari
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:51 am
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Khutse Botswana
Replies: 30
Views: 5066

Re: Khutse Botswana

An inverter is much better for the laptop and you can then dispense with all the 12V chargers for the cellphones, etc... Make sure you get one that is powerful enough for your laptop - 500W should do it - and wire it direct to the battery, the cigarette lighter won't handle it! If you stick with all...
by Ahari
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:33 am
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Khutse Botswana
Replies: 30
Views: 5066

Re: Khutse Botswana

Never had a problem with taking meat in, but be prepared to lose it if they check! Safest is to buy there - the beef is generally excellent!

You can use your petrol card at the bigger petrol stations, but cash is always good to have for the smaller stations or in case it doesn't work.
by Ahari
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:29 am
Forum: Route Planning questions/discussions
Topic: Khutse Botswana
Replies: 30
Views: 5066

Re: Khutse Botswana

Take some Doom spray - last time I was at Khutse (25 years ago!) the ants were something else! They are the big black ones and come out when they sense you are there - swarm all over the place, up your legs and get in everywhere. Had to do everything while stomping my feet!! Lots of deep sand on the...
by Ahari
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:09 am
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: Center console.
Replies: 28
Views: 7178

Re: Center console.

I like - should take a beating! :)
by Ahari
Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:24 am
Forum: Meet the People
Topic: Hello everyone!
Replies: 18
Views: 2616

Re: Hello everyone!

Thanks everyone! You do know how to make someone feel welcome here! :)
by Ahari
Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:59 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Now that looks interesting. Never thought to look at how truck drivers aircon their vehicles. I just assumed they did it the same way as in cars. So it looks like there may be something in the electric way after all, but I do doubt as to how compact and out of sight it would be. Also repairs would p...
by Ahari
Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:28 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

No answer from the manufacturer yet. I did chase him yesterday and he assured me he hadn't forgotten about me, but it would take a little time to find all the bits. I will chase him up again on Monday. The condenser can be bought from Bosch and so can a compressor... Are you referring to the standar...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:10 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

Thanks Johan. Any reason why you don't just leave the panels connected flat on the roof or something permanently?

The LC looks very good. Pricey!!
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:51 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

I decided to get the Ctek D250 DC-DC charger in conjunction with a Discover EV31A 115aH Deep Cycle AGM battery. The battery was R2300 from bushpower which is a very good price considering its size and technology - only a few rand more expensive than a normal DC battery. Hopefully this combo will sa...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:37 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

Nice system! That AGM battery certainly seems to perform well with the Ctek. I like the solar panels giving a bit of a kick to the whole system - I must investigate further.... Another battery on your system looks like it would really kick some bu** Maybe I need to get me some solar panels 'till my ...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:03 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

Oh, I forgot - most important of all... insulate heavily and shield your fridge from the sun!!!
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:54 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

I think an alternator at 14.7 V will cook you battery! You are right - I think 14.7V constant will most likely cook the battery. You need an alternator that can control that the same way that a smart charger would. The ctek charge at 20amp flat till the batery is about 80% and then tappers off, whe...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:18 pm
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: New Project Started.... 90% Completed
Replies: 85
Views: 9442

Re: New Project Started.... 90% Completed

You need the Hiluxes to blaze the trail so you can get through.... ;)
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:21 pm
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

Thanks for the info on the marine use. It is helpful as i am contemplating putting a bank of batteries and an inverter together for back-up power at home and one of the things i am unsure of is how to properly charge multiple large batteries. Will go do some googling I can't find it now, but I also...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:50 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

My gosh! Forget 4x4! I want one of these 8x8's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GGrHhyw ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Try pull starting one of these!
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:41 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

I know it is not a Hilux, but it is a Toyota pulling out a 50 ton truck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3-ZiexEocI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A South African nogal!
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:29 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

Mud Dog wrote:This is even more amazing!!! YOH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy0B7M03 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I tried that once with my car and trailer. I forgot I had the trailer on the back. It was not pretty! :laugh2:
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:16 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

I didn't think of checking You Tune!

Here is another video - The guy ties the rope to the tyre! He's lucky it didn't jam up the wheel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEzpTuWRpQo

And one more - must be the same guy with another car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdNPbCc ... ure=relmfu
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:07 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

:cooldude: Cool! I never would have thought of trying it like that! I can't believe it worked with that big truck!! :cooldude:
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:22 am
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Power saving methods and ideas
Replies: 45
Views: 4113

Re: Power saving methods and ideas

I am saving about R500 per month on my bill with my heat pump (30%). Still have to get the pipes properly insulated and I don't have a geyser blanket for my 300L tank yet.
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:16 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

I just got off the line with the manufacturers and they said that if there was enough demand, they would consider doing a small run of SFA aircon kits. Bad news is that they would need at least 50 seriously interested (read committed) people to make it a viable proposition. So if there is to be any ...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:44 am
Forum: The Workshop
Topic: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what battery?
Replies: 31
Views: 7999

Re: Installing CTek D250S Dual DC-DC Charger, but what batte

Don't get me started on batteries! :frustrated: Oh too late.... :slap: I have been through the wringer with batteries. Here is my 2c worth. I will try to keep it simple. People generally don't understand batteries. If you understand them better, you will know what they need and they will serve you w...
by Ahari
Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:11 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Looks very nice. Anyone have any experience with these or any comments?
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:11 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Thanks, looks expensive! Will check it out.
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:24 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

all the new hybrids run electric aircon usuly a 110 v system at about 5000 btu so u need a power converter but they draw alot less power fron the motor compaired to the standerd aircon its like a viscus fann vs an electric fan Sounds interesting - where can I see/get one? I am still dubious, but wi...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:22 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

what about an electric aircon that wont suck power from the motor ??????? Never heard of such a beast? I assume that the power would still need to come from the engine anyway to charge the batteries and the alternator would just put the strain on the engine plus the added loss for the conversion fr...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:11 pm
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: Project X ( Front Runner Roof Rail Kit 99 FRXH02 )
Replies: 54
Views: 9085

Re: Project X ( Front Runner Roof Rail Kit 99 FRXH02 )

Kensykatro wrote: Will do yours in Winter 2014 ;o).
Ha haa! I await your call!
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:56 pm
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: New Project Started.... 90% Completed
Replies: 85
Views: 9442

Re: New Project Started.... 90% Completed

Plain and simple - I like :) Maybe before you repaint, you should run a router with a round over bit over all the corners to make them nice and round and less susceptible to chipping. If you don't have a router, some rough sandpaper followed by finer grits will do the trick. With Supawood (or any wo...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:46 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Pity - you got my hopes up there...

I suppose you could always get an engineering firm to make you one - at least the part that bolts on to the existing one.
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:42 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Borntofish wrote:I have all the parts, except the pulley on the crank. Anybody have one lying around?
@ Borntofish: Do you mean you want a pulley or are wanting to get rid of your aircon parts?
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:39 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Power saving methods and ideas
Replies: 45
Views: 4113

Re: Power saving methods and ideas

Brilliant idea. I heard they wanted to do that here, but needed to change the whole system to do it - probably will never happen!
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:31 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Thanks Family_Dog, I will look into the EFI in the future. Certainly something to think about. Still trying to find an aircon! If I find some at the manufacturers, I will post the details here - if there is enough interest, maybe they will run a batch.... you can only hope! So if anyone is serious a...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:57 pm
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

Let us know how it turns out!
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:56 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Power saving methods and ideas
Replies: 45
Views: 4113

Re: Power saving methods and ideas

What a mission, but I suppose it really is time we caught up with the rest of the world regarding energy standards. Does sound very expensive though.... It is a bit annoying that none of these fancy new standards will apply to the low cost housing designs, I assume. Those are the houses and people w...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:28 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Power saving methods and ideas
Replies: 45
Views: 4113

Re: Power saving methods and ideas

I'm sure heat pumps would be acceptable as well to the new standards as I got my rebate from Eskom when I fitted mine.
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:28 pm
Forum: Build your own:
Topic: Project X ( Front Runner Roof Rail Kit 99 FRXH02 )
Replies: 54
Views: 9085

Re: Project X ( Front Runner Roof Rail Kit 99 FRXH02 )

What a great job! You got a lot of time to burn!

I like your attention to detail.

My only suggestion, although it is too late now is to electroplate all those little bits and pieces - even the nuts and bolts if you want! No paint, no rust, easy!

Can you do mine now? ;-)
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:15 pm
Forum: Open Discussion
Topic: Power saving methods and ideas
Replies: 45
Views: 4113

Re: Power saving methods and ideas

I have a heat pump instead of a solar geyser. Uses less electricity than solar and it doesn't matter if it is cloudy. Solar is only better if it is HEAVILY insulated with huge capacity so that you can turn the electricity off totally and not worry about a few cloudy days. One day I will make a DIY s...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:54 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Johan, I must concur. On my old Hilux, I was happy to pay the small extra cost in fuel for the comfort - even more so now that I have a 5 year old on board! Of course the aircon would normally be off when in the bush anyway. Btw: This EFI conversion thing is a new idea to me. First heard about it th...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:53 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Thanks Zane!
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:59 pm
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Thanks Stubs, I am phoning around the scrap yards, etc here in Durban. The guy who is responsible for the retro fitting at Crisp-Air (after their factory fire) is trying to see what he can do for me - I am waiting for his reply. He says the only reason they stopped making the kits for these vehicles...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:45 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Re: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

Bummer! Maybe a few calls around the scrap yards will do the trick? I just worry about second hand....

Don't they know Hiluxes don't die!
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:58 am
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

MOFASA wrote:
But why?? All you would have done is given them a free SLIDE back to the vehicle..... :lmao:
Through a thorn bush!! :laugh2:
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:33 am
Forum: 1979 to early 1998 Hilux (Gen 3&4 aka SFA 4x4)
Topic: Aircon for 89 D/C SFA
Replies: 44
Views: 7895

Aircon for 89 D/C SFA

I hope this is posted in the right place! Can anyone help this newbie? I have a 89 D/C SFA and want to fit an aircon. The local aircon guys tell me that you can't get one for this model anymore! Is this correct? If so, where can I get one from? Any ideas on cost? I am in the Durban/ PMB area, but wo...
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:40 am
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

MOFASA wrote:
If you do tie the rope to the tyre you can winch the pullers back in.... :mocking: :mocking:
Ha haaa! That would have really had me deep in the brown stuff!! :aggresive: :blackeye: :alvarin:
by Ahari
Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:17 am
Forum: General Hilux Discussions
Topic: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!
Replies: 26
Views: 3964

Re: Tip: Starting with flat battery with no help!

Mud Dog is right. I think when we actually did it (this was about 15 years ago), the first attempt ended up with both girls flat on their backs! I had put the car in 1st gear and held my foot on the clutch. When I released the clutch, they were both running at full tilt! LOL! I nearly cried laughing...

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