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Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:56 pm

Looking good Chris. I will be in the Cape area from about the 9 th Dec till about just after Christmas, maybe will try and see the new addition to Elders.
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Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:07 pm

Roger that would be nice :)

Should be back in the Cape by 20 December, THEN the work starts to fit the pre-manufactured bits, AND to manufacture the last bits .... gaan n besige tyd wees :)

sal my moet ROER, wil in die nuwe jaar n paar dae gaan kamp :) :)
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:35 pm

Time for some feedback.

Before the Joburg trip I did an intercooler + exhaust + chip and dyno tune to Elders.

Nothing like 3 000 km to TEST the effect of this. :)

Cape Town to Joburg was done with the old high level canopy, and the solar panel bracket. Speeds varied between 105 and 115 km/h, GPS speed, on the cruise control.

NICE to be able to PASS a truck :) :) Elders now PULLS, and with the EGT gauge I can SEE the effect of the over fuelling that provides this amazing pull.


The average fuel consumption on the way up was 9,1 and 9,9 km/l. The last 200km up and the first 400 km down was at 9,99 km/l !! :)

Then we hit a thunderstorm and a STRONG head wind. Even at 115km/h on a level I could SEE the EGT climbing ! Even at 105km/h the EGT was about 40 degrees higher than the normal at 115km/h .... Understandably the fuel consumption dropped to 8,33 km/l. (might also be a combination of a slight under fuel on the previous tank....) The last tank was again 9,46 km/l.

bear in mind that on the way down I had a substantially larger canopy on ..... more about this in the next post .... :) :) :)
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:50 pm

14 December we left Bellville at 3:00. There was ALREADY a geue at the Engen Winelands !! Jip, that early in the morning there was already a good bit of traffic. Thankfully everybody, well almost everybody, drove sensibly, and mile after mile passed by. The last week at work was HECTIC, and I was way too tired for this long drive .... regular stops did not help, and the time was passing faster than the miles .... Just after 15:00 we booked into a guesthouse at Bloemfontein - Heidi's.

on the 15th we continued up the N1, and tollgate after tollgate until we got to Johannesburg. Here I got off the highways before we hit the e-Tolls. We took a leisurely drive through Johannesburg - never drove through Johannesburg before, so it was an experience .... Then off to Delmas.

On the morning of the 16th the old canopy was taken off Elders, and Elders got a new Blinkgat camper canopy - http://www.blinkgatproducts.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Should mention here that Sarel makes these camper units on his farm outside Delmas. Sarel broke his leg 6 weeks back ! He spent a few days in hospital, got a plate inserted, and was back in the workshop - in a wheel chair, directing the operations ....
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:58 pm

Sarel finished off 5 or 6 projects WHILE in the wheel chair !! :shock2:

One was an IVECO double cab unit - http://4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=169251" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A removable camper unit for a Land Cruiser single Cab - http://4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=168712" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WHILE fitting my camper canopy another removable camper unit was finished. I knew the owner of this unit and jumped in and helped. :)

Yet another unit stood in the corner and was finished the afternoon of the SAME day. Left the farm after sunset. Think of an off road trailer, the size of a QUEEN size bed, top pops up to access this massive bed. Below it ample packing space..... 36 hours later this unit was in Botswana !
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:00 pm

ONE PROBLEM - I need a HILUX Club sticker for the new canopy .... (must search the study to see what I did with the one that came with last years renewal pack ..)




would it be possible to get another "Been there DUNE it" sticker ??
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:03 pm

Wow :o: :o:

That canopy looks amazing!!!!
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Back at home, now to fit out the canopy (I ordered it BARE on the inside)

hehehe ..... my 2,6 m high garage roof is TOO LOW. At least I CAN stand upright inside the camper while fitting it out. :)


First the water tank, inlet pipe and breather pipes were installed.

Then the packing system.


Now the water reticulation is being done.

Then the bench on the left, including packing under it.

the fridge and gas plate on the right to follow

en natuurlik die elektries ....
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:13 pm

Jissie Chris.Jy sal moet meer foto's gooi :beg:
Sover lyk dit goed.Ek is rerig mal oor Blinkgat se campers.
Gaan jy 'n filter stelsel inlyn met jou water tenke sit.Dis iets waaraan ek al gedink het vir my volgende tenk
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:48 pm

George ek gaan nou n 40 liter tenk hê, met nog 20 liter in n jerry kan (kan nog jerries saam ry as n trip dit vereis).

Op die oomblik gebruik ek net huis water, met n klein bietjie jik. dit bly goed vir maande.

Ek is nou besig om n SureFlow pomp te monteer - sukkel nou om die "supply" en "suction" kante van die pomp te indentifiseer ..... sal gou eers google, dan eksperimenteer ...


dit is n druk pomp, en beheer die water vloei soos jy n kraan oop en toe draai. LAE VLOEI, met n redelike hoë druk.


Ek sit ook n T-stuk in met nog n kraan - dan kan ek met gravitasie water na buite gebruik, en ook die tenk flush.
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:52 pm

George jy moet sien hoe werk Sarel en sy span !!


Onthou hul plaas is so 50km van al die verskaffers, so jy kan nie vir elke boutjie dorp toe ry nie ....

Die een kamer in die huis is n VOLLEDIGE stoor van als wat hulle gebruik.


Sarel en sy span van 5 doen die aluminium werk, en Elize doen al die seil werk.


Nog nie een eenheid is dieselfde gebou nie !! Elkeen word gebou volgens wat die klient wil hê.


met my eenheid is n plaas bakkie gebruik as "doner" om die kappie op te toets - wragtig is die wydte van die tailgate WYER op my een !! Inderwaarheid is my bak taper, wyer agter as voor ....
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:25 pm

Looking very good Chris. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:45 am

Oh :!: :!: very nice Chris
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:52 am

Thanks
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:55 am

Ek het nou die verhaal van Elders gelees saam met 2 koppies koffie, begin tot die laaste update!! Wow, wow, wow!!!

Ek merk die thread vir enige updates!!
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:19 am

Hi Chris,

Looks very nice. Maak 'n man lekker jaloers. Wanneer word hy nou behoorlik getoets.


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:01 am

Louis ek moet my ROER !

Wil van 2 tot 8 Januarie gaan kamp ....
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:10 am

Chris wat se spec pompie sit jy in jou tenks.
Ek het gedink om dalk een van daai H2O filters wat 'n mens aan jou kraan koppel in te sit in so 'n stelsel.So as 'n ou water op "dodgy"plek ingooi dan loop jou maag nie dadelik nie :twisted:
Hoe sterk pomp daai pomp van jou in vir gelyking met die drukking van 'n kraan.of kan mens dit nie rerig so vergelyk nie
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:52 pm

2,4bar pomp, maar LOW flow. Surgeflow FL 2202 - http://www.surgeflo.com/products/FL-22x.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


huis kraan is normaalweg so 3 bar - na die druk verlagingsklep om die geyser te beskerm.


Die pomp is deur Frontrunner versprei. Sarel het die een vir my aangekoop, by 4x4 MegaWorld (terwyl dieselfde winkel hier in die Kaap sê hulle stock nie die pomp nie ....)



Drinkwater vs bad/was water ....

jy kom VER met 40 liter DRINK water ! Dus geen filter nodig nie. MAAR as jy vir n paar weke gaan toer het jy n tweede tenk nodig vir die bad/was water ....


en as jy MOET "local" water gebruik - kook dit eers, dalk selfs n bietjie Milton in die water. dan behoort jou maag langer te hou ...



laas wat ek gekyk was die filter stelsels te groot .... moet dalk weer kyk. Laat weet asseblief as jy iets kleiner kry.
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Ek het aan so iets gedink http://www.h2o.co.za/Products/Water-Pur ... UE-RCT.htm
Weet nie of dit sal werk nie,maar gaan in die toekoms probeer.

Jy moet nog 'n foto wys van jou bed.
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:08 am

George ek gaan vanoggend kyk by H2O wat hulle het ....

Om die bed reg af te neem moet ek die bakkie buiten toe vat. Sal dit doen wanneer ek die Solar opsit - vroeg volgende week.



die yskas beacket is AMPER klaar, vat nou eers n break. Dan die kas vir die gas stoof en wasbak .....
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Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:20 pm

Die werk vorder :)


nou net lekker oor-moeg..... sal more weer die support brackets vir die gasbottel oor maak ... mens maak simpel foute as jy moeg raak ... :slap: :shock2: :surrender: maar niks wat n grinder nie kan reg maak nie :tease: :siffler:



kan more die verskillende brackets/rakke verf. Dan voort werk aan die elektriese installasie.

Dinsdag oggend gaan Elders mooi form kry !! :cooldude: :cooldude:

Sal Dinsdag BAIE fotos neem soos die dele geïnstalleer word.
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:15 am

Lekker man, dis interesant om te sien hoe so 'n projek vorder, gee 'n mens hoop om ook dinge te wil doen.

Kan nie wag vir die foto's nie. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:22 am

Baie mooi kappie daai Oom Chris.. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Se gou wat weeg die hele kontrepsie?
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:14 pm

ThysdJ wrote:Baie mooi kappie daai Oom Chris.. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Se gou wat weeg die hele kontrepsie?
Thys 4 manne tel hom maklik op (weens die lengte is dit raadsaam om meer te wees).

As ek kyk na die suspensie is daar MIN verskil tussen die ou glasvesel dop en die nuwe aluminium dop.



die binnegoed word die keer ligter gemaak, so ek glo die finale produk sal minder weeg as Elders V1. (ek sal die suspensie mooi dop hou, en terug voer lewer)
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Dis goeie nuus Chris!! :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:04 pm

Dit was n BESIGE paar dae, maar uiteindelik kry Elders V1.1 FORM ... :cooldude: :dance1:

Onthou ek kon n paar goed maak voor die kanopy op was, maar moes wag tot die kanopy op is voor ek die laaste mates kon neem ....

meet, sny, sweis, pas, meet, grind af, meet weer, pas weer, sweis nog n keer, .... en die resultaat is n uitleg met MILIMETER spasiering !! :shock2:

en vanoggend kon ek die rame verf.

die water uitleg klaar gemaak - sal dit more toets

gas stelsel is ook 90% klaar, behoort dit more in te bout en op te koppel.

Elektries - so bietjie begin peuter, maar ek moes wag vir die rame voor ek die drade kan uitlê - die trunking gaan aan die rame vasgeheg word.

en toe is die verf droog genoeg dat ek kan begin installeer ... :cooldude: :cooldude:
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Dit begin nou al mooi form kry :thumbup:
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Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:42 am

Looking good Chris, I will most likely come through on Friday. We are waiting for swambo glasses to get finished as I dont want to drive through twice, will give you a call. :thumbup:
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Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:02 pm

verdomde filler pyp vir die water tend donner my rond vanoggend ..... :( :(

was nou al 5 keer by die hardeware winkel - maak nou sommer n NUWE filler pyp .....


o-well, so gaan dit mos as mens custom bou !! vir die wat idees het om so iets aan te pak - hoop jy het baie geduld vir die dae wat dinge net nie reg wil loop nie !!!!!!!!! :)
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watter dikte pyp gebruik jy Chris?
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Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:38 pm

Thys die "Filler unit" (wat buite vas bout) vat n 28mm pyp.

Die 28mm swart pyp is dan weer gekoppel aan n 3/4'' koper pyp - ek het n straight-coupler gebruik om die diameter groter te maak, maar die swart pyp wou net nie lekker seel nie ....


oorgebou, weer die dik swart pyp, maar die keer die 3/4'' pyp TWEE keer dikker gemaak, toe die copper-to-copper sweis werk glad geskuur om seker te maak dit kan nou behoorlik seel. geen lekke nie :)


die breather werk nie 100% nie, maar dit is nie n groot probleem nie (net stadiger vol maak)




Gasbottel houer is mooi silwer geverf (daai swart bracket het darem net nie gewerk met die alu-dop nie).

Elektriese werk vorder stadig, maar daai water lek het regtig my tyd gevreet vandag.
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:11 pm

ons peetkind :) :)
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:15 pm

en uiteindelik is Elders REG vir die eerste kamp :)
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WOW . . .lyk goed . . . !!!
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Waarheen is julle, kon sweer jlle iewers verby hermanus
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Dankie JJ
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:46 pm

Hilux 1 wrote:Waarheen is julle, kon sweer jlle iewers verby hermanus
Tertius ons is nog by die huis


Die plan is om 1 Januarie Onrus toe te gaan, van daar wil ons n paar dae by Bontebok gaan kamp.


maar NOU juik my gat vir n kamp !! :drool:
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:22 am

Eerste toer is aan die gang :)


op die Hemel en aarde pad gestop vir piekniek en toe eers so bietjie gerus ...

In Onrus sommer in Elders geslaap :)

en nou is ons in Bontebok park. kyk net al die spasie in die wa ....
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:12 pm

Wow, lyk awesome boet :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Geniet die kamp
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:32 pm

Well done Chris!!
Ek reken jyt ons almal se gedagtes aan die rol gesit met die camper van jou! :think:

Respek vir Sarel ook, wat met so min arbeid , so baie verrig! :clap:
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:17 pm

It's looking good, Chris. how about an outside shot with the roof up?

Hmmm... giving me ideas for Hound-Dog!!


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Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:36 am

Baie nice Chris :thumbup: Dis nou wat ek nodig gehad het vir my trippie.
Hoe ry die wa op die pad?
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:14 pm

Great rig, :thumbup: :thumbup:
Keep us updated on how the trip went as well as the rig.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:46 am

george wrote:Baie nice Chris :thumbup: Dis nou wat ek nodig gehad het vir my trippie.
Hoe ry die wa op die pad?
hy ry LEKKER :)


met al die ekstra "drag" ry ek nou so 7km/h stadiger op die oop-pad, om die brandstof verbruik reg te hou.

maar as jy voet neersit om verby te steek .... hy loop glad teen 130km/h.



wel n bietjie wind geraas bygekom.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:51 am

Thunder02 wrote:Great rig, :thumbup: :thumbup:
Keep us updated on how the trip went as well as the rig.
Thanks Niel

The rig WORKS ! :) Really looking forward to our next long trip.



this trip was a bit of a bust - "swart muggies" het my opgevreet !!! I have lumps and bumps all over my body where I was bitten. Just above my right ankel I scratched until it started bleeding .... RED and inflamed ! Got some meds from the pharmacy on Sunday, actually need to apply some cream now. Meds have starting working and the worst of the itch has subsided, but lumps and bumps are still there, thankfully the area above my ankle is not "hot" any more.

net result - we cut our trip short and is now back home
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Sorry to hear,i usually spray Peaceful sleep onto my ankles after washing off the sweat.Works well :thumbup:
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:02 am

same critters bit everybody else - yet I was the only one to react like this ....


previously, my wife reacted to insect bites.



o-well, thats life :)
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:07 am

Eric sorry it took so long, but here goes -

even the skilpad approves .... :)
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:53 pm

Thank you Chris, just what I wanted to see! Obviously stacks of space and loads of comfort. Does your "peetkind" travel with you as well, or is it strictly a two-seater vehicle?

I would also like to see a photo taken a few steps back from the rear with the tent erected, if you have one.


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Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:36 pm

Eric strickly 2-seater ...... THAT was the most difficult desision .....

Wth the IFS models the door panels are so thick that one cant even replace the two seats with a bench .... Daar is net nie spasie vir n derde een voor nie.




Ek sal later n foto neem van agter.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:28 pm

Wow!! Dit lyk awesome!!
Jy het seker niks meer nodig as dit nie.
Jammer om te hoor van die goggas wat gepla het :blackeye:
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:35 pm

Looking very good Chris. I am sorry that I did not get to see you, am back at home now. Will be back at beginning of April for a wedding and will try again.
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:41 pm

Reg so Roger. :)
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:26 pm

So the rain let up for a while, and I took the opportunity to take some more photos.

This is what Elders looks like with the lid down (if you look closely you will note the latches on the four corners had been loosened by the time I took these photos)


A couple of details you can note on the outside pics:
- there are C-channels under the bed (above the cab), these double to house an aluminium table
- you can see the table above the passanger door
- The canopy was made to fit the inside dimensions of the bak (due to the width of the bak it would have been possible to go wider)
- I requested a taper of about 5 cm from bottom to top (I did not want a "square" box, yet did not want to sacrifice too much space due to an aggressive taper)
- the steps of the ladder has a tread depth of 100mm, and anti-slip has been added ontop of it.
- the ladder was made slightly too long, to be trimmed once the canopy was loaded. On our first camp I realised that you sometimes encounter ground that slopes lower at the back of the vehicle, then this extra length comes in HANDY :)
- the door can be locked, yet opened from inside providing safety at night
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:40 pm

Lyk baie goed Chris.Dit heel vaart belyn.
Het jy toe die filter idee vir die water eers gelos
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:49 pm

How to lift and lower the "lid" ....

Lifting :
- loosen the four clips on the corners
- get in, and lift the back section (slight lift, then the gas lifts takes over)
- undo the rope catches
- lean forward (over the bed) and push up with one hand, again a slight lift required then the gas lifts take over
- undo the cross-ties
- for longer stays - insert the pegs to open the outside "afdakke"


Closing :
- remove pegs from "afdakke:
- apply cross-ties (this helps to pull the canvas inward when closing)
- take hold of the two ropes, and PULL it back ward. The nose section is now 50% lowered.
- apply the rope catches - to hold the nose section down
- turn around, and take hold of the back bracket. PULL it towrds you, lowering the back part of the roof ... remeber to duck ...
- stand on the back step, slightly lift the roof and push the back canvas in.
- use the pull-stick, lower the front further, leaving it open by about 100mm. Now walk around the vehicle and make sure all the canvas is "in".
- pull the front down, and close the four clips, insert the safety pegs
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:55 pm

george wrote:Lyk baie goed Chris.Dit heel vaart belyn.
Het jy toe die filter idee vir die water eers gelos
jip, "vir eers" .... :)


die appies wat tussen Kersfees en Nuwe jaar op diens is, is NIE slim genoeg om ons te help nie .... :siffler: :siffler:



so paar jaar terug was daar n houer, amper die groote van n elektriese ketel - jy het die water bo ingegooi, en dit het STADIG deur gesypel en is in die proses "gefilter" ..... wil bietjie meer hieroor uitvind ....



Intussen het ek maat "druppels" wat slegte water kan suiwer.

as ek NOU rivier water moet drink sal ek dit net eers kook, steeds die mees effektiewe manier om dit te STERILISEER.


ons gaan oorhoops oor "filter"m maar tipies verwys dit na "solid particles" wat verwyder word - en dit doen NIKS aan bakterie, wat juis daai loop maag veroorsaak !! Vir bakteriee is dit KOOK, UV, Osmosis, of BAIE hoê druk filters (maar dan kyk jy na die "drie in n ry" ... R12k...)
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:57 pm

Kyk nou hoe lekker lyk DIT :) :)
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Dis baie gerieflik. Jy het n goeie keuse gemaak :thumbup:
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