Tire choices

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:51 am

I'f all goes acording to plan i'l take delivery of a 98 LTD SFA

Did some tire surching today and...
31/10.5/15
Coopers stt R1725.00
BF M/T MK2 R1700.00
Khumo KL71 R1750.00

Still wayting for other quotes, but think this prices are not to bad

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:53 am

I recon i'll go for the Coopers
as i'l do 50/50 off and on road
Any comments?

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:02 am

Cooper STT's are MT tyres and made more for off road than on road. THey tend to loose chunks of rubber if abused a bit. Of those listed I would go for Khumo. But my personal favourites will always be AT's - Bridgestone Dueler 694 and MT's Maxxis BigHorn

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:43 am

CasKru wrote:Cooper STT's are MT tyres and made more for off road than on road. THey tend to loose chunks of rubber if abused a bit. Of those listed I would go for Khumo. But my personal favourites will always be AT's - Bridgestone Dueler 694 and MT's Maxxis BigHorn

Thanks cassie

But when I go off road i want traction there for i didn't opt for the AT's
Prices on Maxxis any one?

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:59 am

GeorgeJvR wrote:
CasKru wrote:Cooper STT's are MT tyres and made more for off road than on road. THey tend to loose chunks of rubber if abused a bit. Of those listed I would go for Khumo. But my personal favourites will always be AT's - Bridgestone Dueler 694 and MT's Maxxis BigHorn
Thanks cassie

But when I go off road i want traction there for i didn't opt for the AT's
Prices on Maxxis any one?

IIRC the last price was R1650

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:02 pm

Cassie have you got a contact no for me?

jan30 · Post by **jan30** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:30 pm

Personally i would go for the Cooper STT if that is the prices. It will give you more mileage than any of the other.
The Kumho guy is overcharging you by about R150 per tyre.
Just my 2c

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:41 pm

jan30 wrote:Personally i would go for the Cooper STT if that is the prices. It will give you more mileage than any of the other.
The Kumho guy is overcharging you by about R150 per tyre.
Just my 2c

Yes George... keep in mind that the Maxxis gives excellent grip on road, wet road and off road. You will get more or less 45 000km on a set

Niel · Post by **Niel** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:08 pm

CasKru wrote:THey tend to loose chunks of rubber if abused a bit

Cas are you not thinking of the ST

and this was due to an incorrect rubber compound/mixture that was used in the ST for a periood of around 2 years

Post by **CasKru** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:21 pm

Niel wrote:
CasKru wrote:THey tend to loose chunks of rubber if abused a bit
Cas are you not thinking of the ST and this was due to an incorrect rubber compound/mixture that was used in the ST for a periood of around 2 years

Nope... dit was die STT's. Dit het nie met myself gebeur nie maar met Blom. Hy het na dit oor geswitch na Bighorns toe en was nog nooit so happy nie (tyres gewys)

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:49 pm

Again it will be personal shoices.
I've seen guys getting over 100 000km's on Coopers ST and STT
Any coments on the BF M/T MK2?

TJV · Post by **TJV** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:52 pm

George
I've fitted BF KM2's and they are not as noisy as the Bighorns, but they are hard on the road. I'am running them now on 1.6bar and it still feel if there is no suspension. They have covered only 5000km's and only start showing that they've been used. Still need to find out what's gona happen in the wet.

Tiger7 · Post by **Tiger7** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:33 pm

BF Mud KM2 kan jy nie verkeert gaan nie. Ek net self 'n stel 31 x 10.5 R15 op my Hilux.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:32 am

Stiil it stays on personal choices.......

Any coments on the Cooper STT's road noise?

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:48 am

Most noticeable at around 80km/hr, but when traveling at 100 it does not get any worse and the radio does not require to be on too loud to drown the noise out.

-F_D

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:07 am

Family_Dog wrote:Most noticeable at around 80km/hr, but when traveling at 100 it does not get any worse and the radio does not require to be on too loud to drown the noise out.

-F_D

Thanks compared to the BF M/T MK2's wich is the loudest noice?

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:38 am

My choice would be the STT handdown.

Apart from noise, the KM2 debeads MUCH easier when pushed around at low pressures. And a BF has nothing on a Cooper in the wet. BF probably use soap in their compound????????

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:44 am

............ another way of putting it, any vehicle of mine that will transport my family will not be fitted with BF.

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:46 am

Lets see If Andre can get those specials again, then STT's it is.

Animul · Post by **Animul** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:55 am

What A/T tyre gives most mileage if my split on/offroad is 80/20 with around 6000km / month?

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:19 am

Cooper ST Animul.

Then also worth considering GoodYear Wrangler AT/SA and Bridgestone D694.

I'm considering selling my set of Cooper ST's and putting the money towards Cooper STT's.

Animul · Post by **Animul** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:26 am

Tnx, I though about BFG's but since I read this string of responses it clearly shows that BFG's are not everyone's choice. But yet, I see so many vehicles with BFG A/T. Is it just cheaper or why is it so polular?

I will have to replace tyres in the next month or two and will have to buy right the first time.

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:12 am

Henry, it is due to a large sales network with TWT. The sales staff are selling them based upon the success on the Dakar Rally and selling them on the 3 ply side walls. And listening to the sales hype not even a 20mm HE shell will penetrate a BF.

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:59 am

Traveler wrote:Henry, it is due to a large sales network with TWT. The sales staff are selling them based upon the success on the Dakar Rally and selling them on the 3 ply side walls. And listening to the sales hype not even a 20mm HE shell will penetrate a BF.

In my unbaised opinion, only the lemmings and mis informed will think that BFG is the best tyre. There are many tyres out there that are better then BFG. The big sales pitch as mentioned earlier is the 3 ply side walls and the rim protector. Both these items in my own opinion are cause for some problems.

Firstly the 3 ply side wall means very little as far a puncture resistance is concerned. Again in my own humble opinion the 3 ply side wall may be the cause of the many BFG tyres I have seen wrecked. I feel that the 3 ply tyres cannot be aired down as low as a 2 ply sidewall because the tyre is too rigid. When travelling long distance with these tyres in an aired down situation they generate too much heat and thus result in faliure.

Secondly the rim protector has been the result of the tyre loosing air. This is because in a low air situation the dirt gets caught between the tyre and rim. Due to the protector this does not come out easily. Once the tyre is aired up again this dirt is trapped and eventyally results in slow leaks due to the seal of tyre and rim being compromised.

These are my own opinions.

Animul · Post by **Animul** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:04 pm

Mountain Man, which tyre, in your humble opinion, would you suggest? :|

andrevt · Post by **andrevt** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:05 pm

cooper bly maar die tyre .............vra ma vir MR holgate

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:17 pm

Animul wrote:Mountain Man, which tyre, in your humble opinion, would you suggest? :|

I think your choice of tyre needs to be made on what you want to do with your vehicle. I think there are many good tyres out there many of which I have no experience with however on my Hilux at the moment I have Cooper S/T. I am reasonably happy with them and I would use them again, however... I bought mine in 2006 for R950.00 each. Based on that I would say the 80,000Km I have driven on them so far and the performance on and off road they were good value for money. I believe they cost a lot more then that these days.

These tyres have done just over 80,000Km

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LouisK · Post by **LouisK** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:43 pm

I fitted Khumo KL71's to my Lux 2 years ago. Generally I am happy...the noise is deafening over 80. I have had 5 punctures whille driving on tar most of the time. They tend to pick up screws and nails more often than the other brands I previously had. They have done about 40 000 km's and looks good for another 40 000.

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:58 pm

On the subject of punctures, The Coopers never let me down until recently. I had not had a puncture in these tyres for the first 70,000Km or so. Only once did I get a puncture after that that I actually had to stop and repair. The other two had objects in the tyres which when I got round to it I removed and repaired but thoes two never went flat I just happened to notice the objects stuck in the tyres.

I have had tyres that seemed to always get punctures like the Good Year RT/SA and Good Year ATR. Do yourself a favour and don't ever buy the ATR for any vehicle.

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:04 pm

andrevt wrote:cooper bly maar die tyre .............vra ma vir MR holgate

En hy ry bietjie meer in die bos as wat ek doen.

As jy iewers GY se RT/SA iewers kry sal dit ou voorraad wees. Is vervang deur AT/SA. Sover ek weet is ATR sopas vervang met Dura-something.

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:46 pm

Traveler wrote:
andrevt wrote:cooper bly maar die tyre .............vra ma vir MR holgate

En hy ry bietjie meer in die bos as wat ek doen.

As jy iewers GY se RT/SA iewers kry sal dit ou voorraad wees. Is vervang deur AT/SA. Sover ek weet is ATR sopas vervang met Dura-something.

That is the problem with mentioning tyres that were used ages ago, they become redundant and new designs are marketed. I know the bad taste the Good Years left in my mouth (Have used the ATR, Wrangler and RT/SA) and maybe the newer ones are better but I dont fancy outlaying R6000.00 to have the same taste swishing back in my mouth. I must admit the Good Year's fitted on the Nissan Patrol in October 2010 Lesiure Wheels looks pretty good but I think I will wait and hear what others say before I decide to fit those on my vehicle. I'm always suspect when a manufacturer changed design of their tyres after only a few years. Good Year brought out the MTR in about 2004 and now they have changed it.

ismail · Post by **ismail** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:02 pm

@ Animul,Buddy of mine actually got 130 000km on a set BFG AT with mostly tar and some sand driving!!!!! with 1mm thread thread left before he replaced them.

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:08 pm

MTR went from an extremely expensive multi directional to an extremely expensive uni directional.

I have AT/SA's on as daily runners and I must say ther is no comparison to the old RT/SA's I had on my work Isuzu KB in 1997. I could not drive from here to Lusaka with at least 2 tyre repairs.

I am completely sold on Cooper. Want to trade up from ST to STT, but only because I want to......

Post by **george** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:10 pm

Must say I am very happy with my BF AT's. I have been testing it in the wet but so far the grip is good.

Maddoglips · Post by **Maddoglips** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:09 pm

I've fitted Cooper STT's and must say they are quite and I have never had a hassle in the wet.

If wanted, I can slide them, but then I could slide any tyre if trying.

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:27 pm

Me and my brother has got BF goodrich A/T tires on Yes it is a hard tire And i have never used mine off road but my brother has and he says that it is the best tire he ever bought he has done about 120,000 km on his tires now and you can see it is coming to a end so i would vote for the BF Goodrich tires always

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:06 pm

For a AT tyre I would recommend cooper ST. Definitely not BFG AT. I have a set of them at home with 40% tread left that I had to replace because there were chunks of rubber missing. They cut and chip just looking at rocks. And the side walls are very hard.

Normally I would recommend anyone with a SFA to fit muds. SFA is already a noisy vehicle that can (should) only do 120-140km/h. On a capable vehicle like the SFA you really need some MT tyres. People fit lockers and suspension kits and then fit AT tyres. Tyres make a big difference when going off-road.

I phoned around and bought the cheapest MT that I could find. I’m not going to spend loads of money on tyres again, just to cut and chip them when I go off-road. The best MTs are the cheapest MTs in my opinion. :shifty:

Remember that MT tyres normally have a low speed rating. So if you plan on speeding sell your lux and buy a BMW

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:57 pm

For Mud tyres, Cooper STT.

For AT tyres - Bridgestone Duelers is the wise choice!

(My choice, anyway!) ;)

-F_D

Petrusd · Post by **Petrusd** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:40 pm

Does anybody have an opinion of the Yokohama Geolander tires?
Where do they fit in price wise/performance?
Any reason not to fit them?

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:55 pm

Petrus Toyota tried to deliver my first D4D some years ago with GY RT/SA.I complained and refused to sign. So some days later got it with Geolander HT's.

At about 5000km changed them for BF's, aquaplaned once and put the Geolanders back and sold the BF's. Did about 30,000km with them and after cutting a sidewall sif fitted D694's. During that time only gave zero grip in mud, BUT they where HT's.

2 other AT's that are real nice Firestone Destination and Pirelli Scorpio ATR. Remember Pirelli is the only tyre sponsor of the WRC.

Some interesting tyres that I do not know is the Maxxis AT700, Hankook RF10 and Michelin LTX AT2.

FUDGES · Post by **FUDGES** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:13 pm

Hey you guys forgot about the bighorns!!

Yes the stt's are nice (my second choise) but the bigorns do so much better offroad.

And they say they do very well on wet tar (I haven't tested it properly though) but on wet rock you won't get better.

That's my 2 cents

HiluxJunkie · Post by **HiluxJunkie** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:25 pm

I have been using the BFG All Terains on my current IFS (30x9.5x15) and my previous SFA (31x10.5x15) for about 4 years now over all sorts of terrain, mud,beach,rocks and tar and never a puncture. The rim protector can be a female dog sometimes gripping sand when deflated to about 1 bar and causing slow flats.

But other than that....no complain in wet or dry.

I currently run them at 2,4 bar for daily empty load use front and back.

What is the consensus on pressure for my above mentioned daily use ?

Swart Baard · Post by **Swart Baard** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:40 pm

Vir daai prys van die Coopers sal ek gaan, was heel in my skik met hulle gewees vir n jaar, hoelank hulle vir my gehou het. So die nuwe bande wat ek op gesit het moet nogal baie bewys. Ek het nou die begin van die maand vir my die Yokohama M/T op gesit, oor die algemeen het dit meer greep, het al rofferig 4x4 gery, ma nie soos ek kan nie, so las die groot komentaar vir later, ma geniet dit op die oomblik. Pad geraas is effe meer as die Coopers.

Kassie is wel reg met die Coopers wat stukke rubber verloor, ma dis nie so erg nie, net 1 keer gedoen op my bakkie, Pype se bakkie, baie, gewig.

Bf A/T was my eerste band, Goeie band, nie dieselfde greep gehaat as die Coopers nie, en baas die heeltyd af, sand tussen die band en rim. KM2 op hulle sal ek nie vat nie, veral as jy jou bande wil af blaas.

Die Yokohama M/T het ek by twt gekoop, Prys was R2350, en af gekom na R2150, R5 goed kooper as wat hulle vra vir BF A/T. Dis nou vir die 31x10.5xR15.

Swart Baard · Post by **Swart Baard** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:49 pm

Simon, ek hardloop self 2.4 bar, vind maar die best of both worlds, loop gelyk af. Harder bande spaar wel op petrol, ma jou bande loop ook vinniger af. Hulle het nodie dag my bande 3 bar gepomp, en ek het hesukkel op site, vinnig die probleem agter gekom

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:00 am

I'm keen on trying the Maxxis Trepadore. Has anyone had any experience with these tyres, what are they like compared to the Big Horn and Buck Shot??

Traveler · Post by **Traveler** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:40 am

Friend of mine has Trepador on his F250, and his wife's Ranger.

He vows to never fit anything but Trepador. He loves the tyre.

Good looking tyre

Tjokkie · Post by **Tjokkie** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:08 am

Nog 5c...

Ek doen redelik baie 4x4 in gemende terrein wat insluit heelwat teer (om daar te kom teen gemiddeld 120km/h), sand (Mosambiek en Bots), klippe en modder met my Cooper STT's.

Na sowat 40 000km het ek nog absoluut geen probleme ondervind nie. Die bande lyk nog goed en het geen rubber stukke afgegooi soos wat vroeer in die thread na verwys is nie.

Daarbenewens ry my boet heelwat grond paaie (werk met agri rondom Middelburg Tvl) sowel as klip wereld (Loskopdam se berge) en sand (Mosambiek) en hy het ook 'n onwrikbare geloof in Cooper STT's nadat hy 2 stelle Bridgestone Duelers afgegooi het a.g.v. te veel punctures. Hy reken dis regte Sandton pavement 4x4 bande...

My opnie, ek sal nie eers verder twyfel oor Cooper STT's nie

GeorgeJvR · Post by **GeorgeJvR** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:35 am

My Coopers land vanmiddag by Mark(thanks)
Sal moontlik binnekort 'n BF A/T met so +/-tussen 6 en 8 mm loopvlak oor wil ruil vir 'n STT.
Ek sal 'n nuwe Post begin as ek daarby kom.

Thanks vir almal se info ek is seker ek is nie die enigste een wat hier gemoedsrus gekry het nie,
al bly dit steeds baie Persoonlike Keuse.

FUDGES · Post by **FUDGES** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:58 am

Hoe lyk die trepadore's dis die eerste wat ek van dit hoor?

Animul · Post by **Animul** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:05 pm

Ek dink my vrae is beantwoord. Aangesien ek my bande 2.4 moet pomp wanneer dit koud is (tyre pressure control en monitoring en warning ens) gaan ek vir my Coopers opsit.

Dankie vir almal se 5c's