Accident @ Moegatle - Koos se Klim /Tsogwe

[Kaspaas]

Dit kan maar n LR wees, maar kan met enige van ons gebeur.
Kry nogsteeds hoendervleis, en ekt dit al meer as tien keer gekyk!

[Andre du preez]

Ja,nee 'n man moet maar altyd jou self probeer reg hou vir so iets.

[OOOOMS]

Sjoe, daai ou was moebies luck gewees

[Johannes van die See]

Jis hoe nip ek nou vi daai man se part.....
Damit dit was close!

[Mud Dog]

Very lucky!! If that LR with it's weak superstructure had rolled it's almost certain that there would have been fatalities (don't see an internal roll bar either). Also, had that LHS front tyre de-beaded, he would have had less than no control. I know it's easy to say, but the reverse stall technique doesn't seem to have been used ... only brakes. It's a vital technique that should be practised regularly.

[jagermeister]

ek kry so koue rilling in my rug

[witmamba]

briekmerke in die broek is aanvaarbaar na dit!!!

[LouisZ]

The Rear sideshaft snapped on this one. Then all stress broke loose.

[OOOOMS]

The Rear sideshaft snapped on this one. Then all stress broke loose.

Normal procedure for LR.... :roll: :roll:

[Jaco Versfeld]

Would the reverse stall technique have helped. It didn't seem if there was any time to do it - handbrake up, reverse, etc?

The Rear sideshaft snapped on this one. Then all stress broke loose.

[SuidWes]

Daai klip is m@ers rof - Nie eers gedink om dit te probeer nie..... Die begin is 47 grade... Hoekom?

[THROTTLE-BOY]

A while ago 3 Rigs layed out Tsogwe....No7 was one of those 3 Rigs. It took us 3 the best part of a day to lay the new trail out and we had some casualties, Son of Tazz( also Team Outlaws) broke the rear third member and peeled all the teeth off the pinion.... :wth: leaving Him to do the last part of the trail in front wheel drive only. I blew a right hand side Longfield and a free wheel hub gear .....leaving only rear wheel drive for the last part of the trail. The weather then came up at about 17:30 that afternoon with some bad ass lightning and it began to pour. We decided to get off the Rock for obvious reasons and did this in the failing light at about 18:00 in the rain coming down Koos se Klim....Now only a Woman will understand the dynamics of a good washing powder.....because only a woman would be able to remove that "Briek-merkie" from your Jockeys....At the end it was all fun and a great Rush but for the average guy in his landlovertjie....dunno ....I don't have the nuts to wheel a Tinfoil rig up that Rock Stupid always Hurts !!!

[Mud Dog]

Would the reverse stall technique have helped. It didn't seem if there was any time to do it - handbrake up, reverse, etc?

The Rear sideshaft snapped on this one. Then all stress broke loose.

Probably not if the rear side-shaft snapped. The rear wheels are the ones that would be digging in and giving the better traction ... that dynamic would have been lost in this case and even though there would have still been 'drive' to the front wheels, they would just slip and slide anyway.

A rig with a cage is one thing but as Mark puts it, "a tinfoil rig" is a totally different ball game (no pun intended). Imagine rolling down there and landing on the roof at the bottom! Eish, I'd rather not.

[shakir]

Wow that's serious stuff man.... :!: :!: :!:

[Popmar]

Seker so 7 na 8 jaar gelede het dieselfde gebeur terwyl ons by Moegatle was. Weet nie of dit na dieselfde4 insidentr verwys nie. Dit was die eienaar Alec wat by daardie geleentheid agter die stuurwiel was die die "sideshaft" gebreek het. So lank gelede kan nie meer alles onthou nie maar dit was regtig "scarry" en het ons klomp ouens dadelik laat afsien om dit te probeer doen.
By daardie geleentheid het ek uit my eie voertuig geklim en saam met `n lid van McCarthy 4x4 klub wel Koos se klim gedoen. (Natuurlik voor die insident). Ja dit is nie `n maklike stukkie pad daardie Koos se klim nie en ook die ander moeilike een - God se pad.
Nog nooit weer by Moegatle gewees nie.

[jacques kotze]

n Bad spot om in te wees vir enige iemand

[LouisZ]

Martin dit was juis toe wat dit gebeur het. Onthou Alec het al hoeveel keer dit al gedoen.

[Popmar]

Sover ek weet was dit beslis nie sy eerste poging nie. Het dit in die verlede `n hele paar keer gedoen.
Baie ouens doen dit nou nog.
Ouens soos ek bly maar weg - lief vir die lewe

[OOOOMS]

Sover ek weet was dit beslis nie sy eerste poging nie. Het dit in die verlede `n hele paar keer gedoen.
Baie ouens doen dit nou nog.
Ouens soos ek bly maar weg - lief vir die lewe

.....en lief vir my voertuig. niks om te bewys nie...

[CasKru]

Would the reverse stall technique have helped. It didn't seem if there was any time to do it - handbrake up, reverse, etc?

The Rear sideshaft snapped on this one. Then all stress broke loose.

If he applied the brakes as the side shaft snapped maybe, but once you start rolling backwards, momentum and gravity determines your fate.

This is why they recommend that only vehicles with lockers attempt this. If you then break a side shaft you don't loose all traction and safely reverse down.

But even if you reverse down safely.... it is quite scarry

[Kaspaas]

Toevallig ook op die Video afgekom. Gelukkig het sy seuntjie uitgeklim.
Wat sal julle sê het die man verkeerd gedoen?



Nog n ampertjies:

[OOOOMS]

Gelukkig het die kind uitgeklim.....

Dit wil vir my voorkom of hy 'afgetap' het toe hy bo gekom het en dit het hom terug laat rol.....ek dink as hy die pedaal annhou trap het sou hy dit gemaak het :wink2:

[Kaspaas]

Mark, wys jou net, so leer ek ek uit die ongelukke uit.
Ek het nou gedink hy gee te veel "vet", en toe sy voorwiele lug vat, klim die Landy se agterwiele onder hom uit??

[OOOOMS]

Jong ek het daai clip x10 keer gekyk....en dit kyk klink of (toe sy voorwiele lug in is) hy die juice gelos het, en toe rol hy bietjie agtentoe. Dit is waar dinge verkeerd begin loop het, die rol agter toe?

[Kaspaas]

Jip, nou sien ek dit ook. Lyk asof hy geskrik het en toe petrolpedaal gelos het.
Wonder wat die experts sal sê? Thys, Hoppels, Louis en Toro toere? Hoe dink julle?

[THROTTLE-BOY]

Backed off too soon and the right rear wheel digs into the rut that threw the nose to the left.....had he hammered it the rut would have pulled the nose down and to the right. When in doubt .....Accelerate !

[JohanM]

Ek stem saam met wat gese word. Daai lepel moes hy vas getrap het daarso sodat hy die forward krag op die wiele kon gehou het en dit sou hom uit getrek het. Maar ek vermoed hy het geskrik van die hobbel en toe los hy die pedaal.

[Mud Dog]

It's easy to analyse and fault find with 20 / 20 hind-sight and the aid of a video to re-play over and over, but he didn't give it horns right off the bat, which had he done, his momentum may have carried him over. These things happen fast, and if you're not expecting it (most of the time you're not), you either have to think fast and clear (almost impossible at such a time) or you have to be so well practised that you react correctly before having to process thoughts.

At least he had the forethought to let the kid out ... if you watch closely towards the end of the roll, you'll see his leg coming through the torn roof at the back just before the vehicle rolls over his leg. That incident had a serious outcome!

Lessons to be learned from that clip?
I can think of a few .....
• Theory is one thing, but practice is king. (Start small ... whatever you're comfortable with and build from there - don't let bravado or peer pressure force you into making a bad decision).
• Assess the obstacle properly before attempting it and judge your capabilities against it honestly.
• Let your passengers out before attempting a hazardous obstacle like that (which that oke did ).
• Unless it's a water crossing, strap yourself in!!! (He obviously didn't do that) .... And if you roll keep both hands gripped on the wheel to prevent them flailing out through windows. It can help to keep your side window closed or half closed so that you don't stick your arm out in reaction without thinking .... be surprised how many times I've seen that ... even done it myself. (Otherwise you normally should not hook your thumbs on the wheel!)

[CasKru]

The whole problem started when he lost forward momentum when both left wheels on the left side lost traction. If he had diffloc he would also have gone over... no problem m2cw

[LouisZ]

Ok, all looks good. But remember!! Driving through mud and up a steep hill in 4x4 high(it seem if the L/R was not in 4x4 low) at that speed. NOT RIGHT! Seatbelts always, except for watercrossings. ALSO TYRE PRESSURE??

Sometimes better to go slow in 4x4 low on climbs like that on that surface.

Good for him for letting is son climb out.

[ThysdJ]

I have 1 golden rule.... Never drive up an obstacle if you are not prepared to reverse down it. Any steep ascent always in L/R, it gives you better throttle control, and it is easier on the drive train. Once the vehicle is running backwards freely, you become a passenger.

Unfortunately I cannot see the last 2 videos that Cobus posted, but the first one with the Landy I use in training to show the guys how quickly things can go very wrong, and how lady luck sometimes can smile on us.

[Christian Kuun]

I remember watching a clip on youtube where they showed a collection of rollovers at Moegatle...cant seem to find it now though.