Gauteng e-tolling

Sebata · Post by **Sebata** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:38 am

its quite sickning how SANRAL just wants to impose its authority on most of the unregistered users, including me ofcoz & i'm not planning to register, they can send thier bill & it'll only end up in a pit tolilet somewhere

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Niel · Post by **Niel** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:59 am

In my opinion this toll roads are all a load of hog wash. We pay enough tax as it is, to maintain the roads and since 94 the tax paying base has increased enough. It is time we get government to do the fundamentals correct and not just keep adding to the tax burden of ordinary South Africans. I hope people will stop using the toll roads so their plan can fail and we show them a finger (no not that one) this one

arnize2 · Post by **arnize2** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:07 am

I wonder how it is going to work when visitors drive on the E-toll roads??? This is how I look when driving in Gauteng.

Post by **george** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:10 am

If no-one register and they need to use snail-mail the system will surely crash.Also if you need to pay an invoice that was posted to you then pay 20c more.There admin is going to be a nightmare

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:26 am

I heard on the news this morning that the total amount of money lost / stolen due to corrupt tenders etc is now at about R640 Billion. So if all the taxes we pay went to the correct avenues and not into the corrupt officials pockets, they could have paid for these road improvements 32 times

Borntofish · Post by **Borntofish** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:39 am

This whole fiasco is all about that wheel that always slowly turns. We have come full circle. Enough is enough.

jacques kotze · Post by **jacques kotze** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:48 am

I have heard that something like 25 000 people have registered for e-tolling. The thing is, they are just gonna make skelms more skelm in the sense of fake number plates and things like that, and what will happen is they will fake they're own number plate by using your number plate. . .

Rebel 4x4 · Post by **Rebel 4x4** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:15 pm

What wrong having the e-toll system..... I thinks it is a good idea, it's work creation... By the way, I'm from PE

Sebata · Post by **Sebata** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:15 pm

jacques kotze wrote:I have heard that something like 25 000 people have registered for e-tolling. The thing is, they are just gonna make skelms more skelm in the sense of fake number plates and things like that, and what will happen is they will fake they're own number plate by using your number plate. . .

me say all those 25000 people that have registered are SELLOUTS bowing down to idle threats.... if the COSATU strike on 30th is on they can count me in...nxaaaa

Dodging · Post by **Dodging** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:27 pm

Rebel 4x4 wrote: it's work creation...

That's what they tell us... I'd like to see them explain it to all the people who lose income (domestic workers, gardeners etc) due to Joe Public no longer being able to afford them coming in every second day and change it to once a week...

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:40 pm

The 25 000 vehicles registered to date are probably mostly all government vehicles like the municipalities, police, health, ngo's etc...

4x4Maniac · Post by **4x4Maniac** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:55 pm

I've read somewhere that the government used the gov employment fund to invest in sanral, that is why they are pushing it as hard as possible, otherwise you will have a depleted fund.

Borntofish · Post by **Borntofish** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:37 pm

The 25 000 vehicles registered to date are probably mostly all government vehicles like the municipalities, police, health, ngo's etc...

I have not seen a etag in real life. Over the last two weeks I have paid attention to all the bumper to bumper traffic between Malibongwe and Rivonia off ramps in th morning. Not one......

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:46 pm

4x4Maniac wrote:I've read somewhere that the government used the gov employment fund to invest in sanral, that is why they are pushing it as hard as possible, otherwise you will have a depleted fund.

That is in fact correct as the pension from the SANDF and other govemerment funds have been used. Problem is now that their own people that work in these places will not have a pension fund. Maybe its time to stop having "conferences" of over R 600 Million and start actually paying attention to what mayhem their absurd luxurios lifestyles have landed them in and start fixing it from the inside and also not by milking the pucblic for that money.

Goverment should actually be taken to court for this as this IMO is basically fraud that is just covered up by their own schemes.....

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:47 pm

posted earlier on, however my post is Miami

any case the 25 000 that have registered, is the government vehicles that have been registered
over and above that doubt that anyone has registered

on the post office not being able to prosses all the invoice, yes they are slow, however they more then have capacity
over the years the mail volumes has dropped, so they have capacity

Donkey · Post by **Donkey** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:55 pm

Donkey will not register for etoll, simple. (I wish this was not a family forum

I'd be more expressive). Almost spoilt my day yesterday when I got thinking of this ... (sensored)

Tax on wages,
tax on food,
tax on petrol,
tax on ....

C'mon gimme a break

Sebata · Post by **Sebata** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:25 pm

JohanM wrote:
4x4Maniac wrote:I've read somewhere that the government used the gov employment fund to invest in sanral, that is why they are pushing it as hard as possible, otherwise you will have a depleted fund.
That is in fact correct as the pension from the SANDF and other govemerment funds have been used. Problem is now that their own people that work in these places will not have a pension fund. Maybe its time to stop having "conferences" of over R 600 Million and start actually paying attention to what mayhem their absurd luxurios lifestyles have landed them in and start fixing it from the inside and also not by milking the pucblic for that money.

Goverment should actually be taken to court for this as this IMO is basically fraud that is just covered up by their own schemes.....

Apparently there's a court case pending RE: the use of pension fund to finance this whole project....

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Stef · Post by **Stef** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:26 pm

Etoll = DOMPAS

KOBUSL · Post by **KOBUSL** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:08 pm

One speedcop at one stopsign in Soweto ( and doing his work ) for one day will generate enough revenue to satisfy SANRAL ( and me )

Popmar · Post by **Popmar** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 pm

Verskoon maar dat ek die Afrikaanse taal gooi. Was in die Vrystaat op skool en het ek net geleer om Yes en No te se en as ek kwaad was "go to hell"

Die feit dat die Staatsdiens amptenare se pensioenfonds blykbaar op een of ander wyse plus minus 15 biljoen rand bele het in die bou van die tolpaaie veroorsaak natuurlik `n geweldige finansieele probleem vir die hele land.

Die persone wat tans met `n staatsdiens pensioen afgetreed is, is meestal van die blanke bevolking. Sou hulle pensioene netsoos die afgetrede spoorwegamptenare jaarliks met 1% jaarliks groei terwyl mediese uitgawes met 10% vermeerder gaan dit chaos vir die afgetredenes skep.

Cosatu het die afgetrede staatsdiens pensioenarisse en sal min van hulle huidige lede regtig geraak word deur die 15 Biljoen wat moontlik verlore kan gaan. So vir hulle sal dit `n tipe van regstelling wees as die gelde verlore gaan.

Hoeveel van die forum se lede of deelnemrs het ouers wat staasdiens-pensioenarisse is. Hoop hulle is bereid om dit wat hulle aan die tolgeld sou betaal aan hul ouers of familie gee.

Ek se nie die regering het die regte ding gedoen nie maar twee "wrongs" maak nie `n saak reg nie.

Agri forum wil `n hofbevel kry - hoeveel van hulle lede loop doie gevaar om swak pensioenvoordele te kry?

Post by **Polarbear2008** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:15 am

Martin

By wie het SANRAL toestemming gekry om pensioengeld in die eerste plek te gebruik? By die lede van die fonds? Ek twyfel! Hoe kan hulle droogmaak, ons probleem word? Ek het simpatie met die mense wat daardeur geraak wor, maar SANRAL moet skuld aanvaar vir die inplimentering van n\'n stelsel SONDER publieke deelname! Dis 'n tiranie dat hulle eenvouding die storie op loop gesit het met die houding van BETAAL OF ANDERS!!?? Watse demokrasie is dit??

Rebel 4x4 · Post by **Rebel 4x4** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:52 am

Dodging wrote:
Rebel 4x4 wrote: it's work creation...

That's what they tell us... I'd like to see them explain it to all the people who lose income (domestic workers, gardeners etc) due to Joe Public no longer being able to afford them coming in every second day and change it to once a week...

They (gardeners, domestic workers) won't be affected (unless they drive their Merc to work) because taxis and busses will be subsidised.

Mikie · Post by **Mikie** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:54 am

Thomas, I think you misread that statement

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:57 am

Rebel 4x4 wrote:
Dodging wrote:
Rebel 4x4 wrote: it's work creation...

That's what they tell us... I'd like to see them explain it to all the people who lose income (domestic workers, gardeners etc) due to Joe Public no longer being able to afford them coming in every second day and change it to once a week...
They (gardeners, domestic workers) won't be affected (unless they drive their Merc to work) because taxis and busses will be subsidised.

The employers won't be able to afford these employees anymore

Piesang · Post by **Piesang** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:57 pm

Ek sit nou wel hier onder in die Kaap, maar kan nie sê dit raak my nie.

Ek het hulle nie toesteming gegee om my pensioen geld vir die saak te gebruik nie

VIVA

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:17 pm

Polarbear2008 wrote:Martin

By wie het SANRAL toestemming gekry om pensioengeld in die eerste plek te gebruik? By die lede van die fonds? Ek twyfel! Hoe kan hulle droogmaak, ons probleem word? Ek het simpatie met die mense wat daardeur geraak wor, maar SANRAL moet skuld aanvaar vir die inplimentering van n\'n stelsel SONDER publieke deelname! Dis 'n tiranie dat hulle eenvouding die storie op loop gesit het met die houding van BETAAL OF ANDERS!!?? Watse demokrasie is dit??

en wanneer laas het jy iets gesien in die land wat jou laat dink dit is n demokrasie.

en ek praat nie nou van n verkiesing nie, wanneer laas het die oorheersende party enige iemand geraadpleeg oor wat die beste is vir die land ?

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:23 pm

sanral now claims 325 000 registrations

wonder how true those numbers are, we might never know

Wegbreek · Post by **Wegbreek** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:17 am

Also large corporations, like the motor manufacturers. VWSA has compelled all their employees who have a leased vehicle to register and of course all the car hire companies have to register as well.

pietdevs · Post by **pietdevs** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:05 am

SA is the ONLY country in the world where a majority has implemented affirmative action to protect them against a minority! Welcome to true democracy! E toll is a typical example of this.... The 25 000 that paid is not true but merely a plot to "force" you to pay. Cameras at the various pay booths proved this.

Popmar · Post by **Popmar** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:13 pm

Vandag (20 April 2012) se Beeld meld die storie van die staatsdiensamptenare se pensioenfonds.

:evil:
Amper R16 miljard bele in die tolpaaie maar die staat waarborg dit darem blykbaar.

Sit toe my Afrika gedagtes aan die werk hoe ek die tolgelde kan omseil.

Almal kla daaroor maar niemand het nog met `n plan voorendag gejkom nie.

Dit is veral vir die mense wat die pad baie gaan gebruik wat ek `n bietjie raad wil gee.

Aangesien taxis blykbaar nie gaan betaal nnie - registreer jou motor as `n taxi. Miskien sal die hele proses jou `n maand se tolgeld kos maar dan ry jy vir `n jaar lank verniet.

As jy meer as een voertuig het ruil net altyd jou nommerplaat om sodat jy net vir een voertuig hoef te registreer. As jy registreer by Sanral moet jy blykbaar `n deposito gee. Hoekom 2 depositos as een kan werk. :wink2: :roll:
Ek het `n slim vriend wat my vertel dat dit goedkoper is om tolgelde te betaal as wat jy `n uur langer op die pad sal wees. Jou petrolverbruik is volgens hom (seker `n feit) baie meer as jy ry en stop. Vernaam nou waar daar honderde robotte is wat nie wek nie.

Het van julle nog planne hoe `n mens die tolpad kan gebruik en nie betaal nie. Dit is nou behalwe om jou buurman se nommerplate te gaan leen en daarmee rondry.

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:55 pm

now that could be a plan

wonder how much it will cost to register my cars with one of the local taxi association

any thing not to pay the tolls

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Stef · Post by **Stef** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:29 am

Build your own tag that uploads a nasty virus, or one that randomly changes it's serial #

When they eventually catch on, you present your legal, working tag..will baffle them all over again

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:34 pm

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Friday 20 April 2012
SANRAL - From an Australian Newspaper on South Africa E-Tolls

"The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden.

Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen.

The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients.

So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination.

How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees.

Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

Sebata · Post by **Sebata** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:53 pm

..... as expected

Borntofish · Post by **Borntofish** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:33 pm

wonder how much it will cost to register my cars with one of the local taxi association

Not going to help to register your car as a taxi

Fresh from the press....

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ ... w-20120424

Now that is good news!

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:25 pm

Wonder if the meant "Austrian Newspaper"...?

-F_D

Post by **george** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:04 pm

Some people :roll: eish

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:24 pm

george wrote:Some people :roll: eish

oxydog · Post by **oxydog** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:22 pm

E-toll mayhem as people rush to buy tags

Sebata · Post by **Sebata** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:28 pm

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:02 pm

george wrote:Some people :roll: eish

and my wife says I like to stir

this guy makes me look very mild

he has guts, think the cops saved his bacon, or maybe he lost a bet or something like that

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:25 pm

just something else

Post by **george** » Wed May 09, 2012 3:56 pm

Excellent Fernando