Toyota Automark
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Toyota Automark
It is my own fault that excitement gets the best of me, this is now the 2nd time that I am disappointed in Toyota Automark.
I have placed this thread here rather than in the Bad Service section as I am not using this platform to have a go at Automark, I am rather hoping that through my experience I can save someone else the heartache.
My first encounter was with PTA North Automark when I bought the Vigo D4D and shortly thereafter had to replace the clutch at my own cost after Automark replaced a noisy bearing via a 3rd party workshop, their specialists as they told me. Long story short, they damaged the oil seal on the crank shaft witch contaminated the clutch plate. So I had to do a clutch kit at the cost of R6000 (OEM) with discount. Let me tell you, not a lekker job if jou dont have a 4 post.
And now I have had a very bad experience at NTT Delmas Automark. I was so exited about the cruiser that I was blind to some minor details that at the end of the day cost me.
Lets start;
1. The delivery of the cruiser was way past the promised 1pm and arrived 6pm, according to NTT they were running late on the smash and grab. That Cost me R5000. But the fact is the cruiser had smash and grab and they never replaced it. I took a couple of picks the first time I saw the van and on that picks I can see distinct scratches and scuffs on the smash and grab. After lots of emails I had no response.
2. By friend who works in the insurance industry made me aware of the fact that the windscreen is a cheap fong kong that costs about R300 compared to a R3000 for OEM or Shatterprufe. This windscreen was not even the right size, and with the first rainfall water poured in. So I made a quick call to PG glass, when they arrived at my house they simply pushed the windscreen out by hand! No tools.
Also sent emails to NTT but at the end of the day I had to fit the bill.
3. One Saturday after taking delivery of the cruiser I washed it and then got to work on the dual battery system. I also checked the oil and opened the air filter box :wth: :wth: :wth: Unfortunately I did not take a photo, but what I found was shocking, the previous owner must have waded through very deep water as the air filter box was full of mud! I scraped it out by hand and luckily the mud did not reach the intake. So how was that missed after Automark's 27 point or 100 point check and a service as I was told by NTT
4. This must me related to the deep water crossing as I already replaced the aircon bearing and the tension bearing, and will have to check out the alternator also. The cruiser is only on 50 000km. Also at my cost.
5. I should have done a full service as the past couple of days the van is very sluggish and sometimes even starved. So I ordered a diesel filter, and as I thought the filter was very dirty. Confirming that this van was not serviced as I was told. In fact I have to check the service manual as I think it was stamped.
6. So there will be no rest this weekend, I am going to order an oil filter and oil, and while I am at it drain the diffs and replace the oil.
Most of this could have been spotted on the day I saw the van at the dealer. So don't make my mistakes and do the checks!
I have placed this thread here rather than in the Bad Service section as I am not using this platform to have a go at Automark, I am rather hoping that through my experience I can save someone else the heartache.
My first encounter was with PTA North Automark when I bought the Vigo D4D and shortly thereafter had to replace the clutch at my own cost after Automark replaced a noisy bearing via a 3rd party workshop, their specialists as they told me. Long story short, they damaged the oil seal on the crank shaft witch contaminated the clutch plate. So I had to do a clutch kit at the cost of R6000 (OEM) with discount. Let me tell you, not a lekker job if jou dont have a 4 post.
And now I have had a very bad experience at NTT Delmas Automark. I was so exited about the cruiser that I was blind to some minor details that at the end of the day cost me.
Lets start;
1. The delivery of the cruiser was way past the promised 1pm and arrived 6pm, according to NTT they were running late on the smash and grab. That Cost me R5000. But the fact is the cruiser had smash and grab and they never replaced it. I took a couple of picks the first time I saw the van and on that picks I can see distinct scratches and scuffs on the smash and grab. After lots of emails I had no response.
2. By friend who works in the insurance industry made me aware of the fact that the windscreen is a cheap fong kong that costs about R300 compared to a R3000 for OEM or Shatterprufe. This windscreen was not even the right size, and with the first rainfall water poured in. So I made a quick call to PG glass, when they arrived at my house they simply pushed the windscreen out by hand! No tools.
Also sent emails to NTT but at the end of the day I had to fit the bill.
3. One Saturday after taking delivery of the cruiser I washed it and then got to work on the dual battery system. I also checked the oil and opened the air filter box :wth: :wth: :wth: Unfortunately I did not take a photo, but what I found was shocking, the previous owner must have waded through very deep water as the air filter box was full of mud! I scraped it out by hand and luckily the mud did not reach the intake. So how was that missed after Automark's 27 point or 100 point check and a service as I was told by NTT
4. This must me related to the deep water crossing as I already replaced the aircon bearing and the tension bearing, and will have to check out the alternator also. The cruiser is only on 50 000km. Also at my cost.
5. I should have done a full service as the past couple of days the van is very sluggish and sometimes even starved. So I ordered a diesel filter, and as I thought the filter was very dirty. Confirming that this van was not serviced as I was told. In fact I have to check the service manual as I think it was stamped.
6. So there will be no rest this weekend, I am going to order an oil filter and oil, and while I am at it drain the diffs and replace the oil.
Most of this could have been spotted on the day I saw the van at the dealer. So don't make my mistakes and do the checks!
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Re: Toyota Automark
Jammer om te hoor van jou slegte ondervinding. Ek self het ook al 'n soortgelyke stel af getrap met 'n Corolla wat ek so 11 jaar terug by Automark gekoop het.
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Re: Toyota Automark
Pride
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Don't get that anymore
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Don't get that anymore
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The revised South African version of that definition is af sollows:Pora wrote:Pride
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Don't get that anymore
Pride
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from stuffing one's own wallet, or the wallet of one's close associates, by delivering goods and services of inferior quality to trusty unsuspecting clients and not feeling guilty about it.
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Re: Toyota Automark
Spot on ThysThysdJ wrote:The revised South African version of that definition is af sollows:Pora wrote:Pride
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Don't get that anymore
Pride
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from stuffing one's own wallet, or the wallet of one's close associates, by delivering goods and services of inferior quality to trusty unsuspecting clients and not feeling guilty about it.
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Re: Toyota Automark
Dienslewering le gou saam met die Dinosaurs
Hammer om te hoor
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Re: Toyota Automark
Hel dis pateties - veral as jy so baie betaal vir jou droomkar !
Het ongelukkig ook al dieselfde ervaring gehad. :evil:
Het ongelukkig ook al dieselfde ervaring gehad. :evil:
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Re: Toyota Automark
Automark - used cars you can be unsure off
Ek het ook n nagmerrie storie met een van ons Toyota Automark vriende gehad wat hulle hul dealer van die jaar toekenning gekos het.
Meer onlangs het ek die ervaring gehad waar beide Toyota se kamstige 101 point check en Dekra se tegniese toets albei gefaal het om op te tel dat my uitlaatpyp heeltemal los in die agterste boks gesit het.
Skerp ne?
Ek het ook n nagmerrie storie met een van ons Toyota Automark vriende gehad wat hulle hul dealer van die jaar toekenning gekos het.
Meer onlangs het ek die ervaring gehad waar beide Toyota se kamstige 101 point check en Dekra se tegniese toets albei gefaal het om op te tel dat my uitlaatpyp heeltemal los in die agterste boks gesit het.
Skerp ne?
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Re: Toyota Automark
Ai sterkte weet dit is n *a* gevoel en het nie eers by Automart gekoop nie, en dan kom die regs stelsel ook nog wat nie help nie gaan nou al amper vir 2jaar. n mens wen ook nooit. Maar dit gaan ons nie breek nie die bank dalk maat nie ons gees
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. Very upsetting that one normally pays more at AutoMark because you think they checked and serviced the vehicle and that they will not sell you a dud. So their quality promise is just another scam to let clients pay more with them than at normal dealers.
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It is a pity that we the buying public gets ripped off like that. I had a similar experience with McCarthy in Paarl, also an Automark dealer. Also supposedly a 110 point check but after I took possession of the Vigo I noticed the left CV boot was attached with a cable tie. Not on!! Also quite a few small niggles that should have been picked up and corrected under the 110 point check.
Eventually after 3 weeks they sorted everything out, BUT it took a lot of phone calls, complaining, moaning, threatening and complaining before they actually came to the party. Only after I threatened with an AA test and then going to the press with the results did they give in.
Will I ever buy a vehicle from them again? I dont think so, but then, where else can I go??? This is why I sometimes have a very negative view of TSA and their dealers/affilliates...
Eventually after 3 weeks they sorted everything out, BUT it took a lot of phone calls, complaining, moaning, threatening and complaining before they actually came to the party. Only after I threatened with an AA test and then going to the press with the results did they give in.
Will I ever buy a vehicle from them again? I dont think so, but then, where else can I go??? This is why I sometimes have a very negative view of TSA and their dealers/affilliates...
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Ha Ha, even that is a joke. When still staying in PTA we bought a 2nd had car from Zeda cars who sell the ex Avis cars. It came with road worthy and a AA test certificate. Fetched it in Kempton Park, drove back to PTA. On my way heard scraping sound every now and then, when I got to PTA the cover under the engine (like we have bash plates) was hanging loose, 4 screws were missing. Also saw oil pissing from an area close to the turbo, there was a patch on the ground within 30 minutes after I got home. Also other small things not working. And that after it passed road worthy and AA test.Only after I threatened with an AA test
In my opinion AA test is also useless.
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Shhht Pieter, the guys from McCarthy in Paarl doesnt know that..pietpetoors wrote:In my opinion AA test is also useless.
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Re: Toyota Automark
As ek al die str@nt so lees is ek baie bly ek het meer daai ekstra 60K betaal vir n brand spanking new trokkie... Ek huil nogsteeds elke maand oor die paaiement though...
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