Strike Action

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:50 pm

So which of you are also having problems with the staff. Factory empty and quite

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:12 pm

Thunder02 wrote:So which of you are also having problems with the staff. Factory empty and quite

ons sports kom as "julle produkte" uit stock raak en ons projekte vertraag ...

klaar lankal "keel vol" vir sekere produkte wat ons projekte nou al vir SES MAANDE rond mors - - - nuwe projekte sal na die ander "brand" oorskuif ...

Moonunit · Post by **Moonunit** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:15 pm

Had about a third of my crew in today and them some coming in for night shift. It is a pain tbh cause these people don't realize the negative long term effects they are causing. Wish I was rich enough like these guys to take a month off work unpaid.

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Pote · Post by **Pote** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:47 pm

I had 10 people in the factory today and only 7 of the 48 machines were able to run. None of my Night shift is coming in..................

Only a view days and we are going to stop Ford and Toyota with no parts...............................

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:09 pm

Depending on how long it lasts it may hold us up a bit with hot dip galvanising, but not a train smash either way, we have contingency plans in place.

Jaans · Post by **Jaans** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:20 pm

Our factory is also empty and quite.

Post by **pietpetoors** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:28 pm

I just love my team, I do not have that problem.

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:14 am

Today even less staff, just waiting for them to break down the front gate

Post by **Baasvark** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:30 am

Ironically when they eventually come back they expect you to carry on as if nothing happened...

The last strike we had I implemented a lockout. For 3.5 months we suffered and bled but at the end of it all the bad elements had been removed.
I don't understand the mentality behind it - don't think I ever will!

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:34 am

Baasvark wrote:Ironically when they eventually come back they expect you to carry on as if nothing happened...

The last strike we had I implemented a lockout. For 3.5 months we suffered and bled but at the end of it all the bad elements had been removed.
I don't understand the mentality behind it - don't think I ever will!

Can't agree more, the small companies take the harder knock.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:57 am

I see the idiots have RAISED their wage demand to a 15% increase! The mind boggles!

Post by **Baasvark** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:48 am

What they don't understand is that many companies don't even make close to that profit.

We are in the position where - if the owner had the value of the business in cash - he would do better to invest it in the bank rather than a business like ours.

The wage increase, as well as everything else, has made it difficult to still show a reasonable profit at the end of the day.
We are now investing in less labour intensive systems so that we can ultimately downsize our staff component.

I've just read on news 24 that many of the international companies have indicated that, should the strikes continue, they will have no other option but to close down their businesses and seek countries with less labour issues.

How's that for shooting yourself in the foot!

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:56 am

My shop is tripple BEE, only three whities working here, all present.

KOBUSL · Post by **KOBUSL** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:55 am

Hoppy wrote:My shop is tripple BEE, only three whities working here, all present.

Ons het ook al die B's en E's , maar slegs twee whities wat hier werk. Almal by die werk. Die BBEEE kom van die tyd toe ons nog van hulle in diens gehad het. Nou doen masjiene die werk. Geen stakings nie, werk op Saterdae en vakansiedae, en is altyd betyds.

Ons doen net GOEIE onderhoud, en die masjiene waardeer dit opreg.

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:00 pm

The worst for me is the customers at the end of the day......
All know there is a strike on but still phone you crazy for parts..

Paul Grobler. · Post by **Paul Grobler.** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:09 pm

Gelukkig al my mense by die werk vandag !! Hulle gelukkig lojale werkers en ons stap al n lang pad maar jy weet nooit hulle is so maklik intemedeerbaar

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:07 pm

Paul Grobler. wrote:Gelukkig al my mense by die werk vandag !! Hulle gelukkig lojale werkers en ons stap al n lang pad maar jy weet nooit hulle is so maklik intemedeerbaar

in 1984 staak die werkers by Corobrick Stellenbosch ... maar die ou hande kom in en hou die plek aan die gang.

toe "struikel" een van die ou manne mos en val voor die trein in ... TOE staak almal

AMCU het te veel lede gesteel by die ander unies .. so die ander gaan nou beklei om lede terug te wen - NIKS met salarisse te doen nie !! gaan oor die die unies se bank belans die ...

Paul Grobler. · Post by **Paul Grobler.** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:32 pm

Ja ek meganieseer meeste van my goed nou het vandag nuwe masjiene gaan kyk wat een ou 12 se werk doen en die produksie met 40% opstoot so JAMMER vir die ander 11

Post by **Baasvark** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:00 pm

Hulle laat ons met geen keuse nie.

'n Business survives on it's reputation and ability to deliver.

Unreliable staff make it difficult to deliver good service or products. Period.

The buzz word nowadays is social responsibility.

Well, social responsibilty to me is not giving out handouts because they are demanded. If that's what the politicians mean by the phrase then I don't have a "social responsibilty" and neither do I have a social conscience.

It's taking every effort to teach and train those who really want to better themselves and don't expect/demand anything other than a fair opportunity for them to work themselves up from the bottom, giving their all to better themselves in the process.

If I have to put up with constant theft, absenteeism, recklessness,drunk at work, stabbings at work, strikes, lack of respect etc. then machinery makes so much more sense!

Why would I want to take unnecessary risks?

My good employees get paid way more than the others on the same level.

Unfortunately they make up less than 10% of my total work force!

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:26 am

alrode and alrode south is a ghost town again
on the way in this morning , a couple of scouts on street corners stopping people from entering the industrial area
saw 8 of them , pack 1 guy with knopkirries .
you know the non violent way

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:37 am

Hulle is gister in n groot groep hier deur die fabrieke, hulle het die "Williewerkie-wals" gedoen en aan beweeg, dis koud vandag en dit reen, so hulle sal nie kom nie, hulle le nou by die huis en wag vir hulle pay, dis darem n f***n lekker land die!

Post by **Baasvark** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:14 am

Hoppy wrote:Hulle is gister in n groot groep hier deur die fabrieke, hulle het die "Williewerkie-wals" gedoen en aan beweeg, dis koud vandag en dit reen, so hulle sal nie kom nie, hulle le nou by die huis en wag vir hulle pay, dis darem n f***n lekker land die!

Dis sulke tye wanneer die "paymeester" ook op strike moet gaan sodat hulle ook kan voel waaroor dit gaan!

Daai skokkie as jy geld nie inbetaal is nie kan dalk 'n goeie uitwerking he!

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:34 pm

'n Honger maag en 'n neulende vrou is al wat party mense weer nugter laat dink!

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:53 pm

ChrisF wrote:
Paul Grobler. wrote:Gelukkig al my mense by die werk vandag !! Hulle gelukkig lojale werkers en ons stap al n lang pad maar jy weet nooit hulle is so maklik intemedeerbaar
in 1984 staak die werkers by Corobrick Stellenbosch ... maar die ou hande kom in en hou die plek aan die gang.

toe "struikel" een van die ou manne mos en val voor die trein in ... TOE staak almal

AMCU het te veel lede gesteel by die ander unies .. so die ander gaan nou beklei om lede terug te wen - NIKS met salarisse te doen nie !! gaan oor die die unies se bank belans die ...

daar sê die unie dit toe sommer reguit vandag - hulle moet hul lede terugwen ....

die "persentasie" het NIKS te doen met die staking nie !! Net n numbers game sodat die unie kan geld maak ...

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:21 am

2nd day of forced holiday

At least the lux is getting some attention.

IndianaJones7746 · Post by **IndianaJones7746** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:29 pm

Anyone else seen this press release from NEASA?

The following is a press release by Gerhard Papenfus, NEASA's Chief Executive, issued this morning:-

Following the NUMSA press conference yesterday, NEASA deems it important that all South Africans be informed of the real state of affairs.

A month before the commencement of the strike, NUMSA made it clear that industrial action was to commence on July 1, 2014. To suggest then that NUMSA wanted a swift settlement in these negotiations, is suspicious. It is clear that NUMSA always had an ideological agenda and that they could never sufficiently make that point without a strike. They made up their minds to strike even before the negotiations began.

From the outset NUMSA demanded a double digit increase. They've made this a mobilising slogan. The financial capacity of employers was never considered in making this demand, whilst at the same time NUMSA made it an emotional issue. I challenge NUMSA to immediately make available the 'scientific analysis' they boast off.

Not to be outdone by AMCU in the platinum strike, NUMSA is for quite some time now threatening employers with an indefinite strike. If that is not irresponsible economic blackmail, what is? NUMSA has a militant socialist agenda and they are clearly using this strike to promote that agenda. Addressing poverty and unemployment, sustainable economic growth, the rightful aspirations of the unemployed and even the real interests of their own members are sacrificed for short term political aspirations.

Whilst we as parties are negotiating within the bargaining council structures, there rests a responsibility on us to negotiate a dispensation that is sustainable, that will stimulate business, stimulate economic growth, attract investment and consequently create jobs; which is the only way that poverty and inequality can be addressed. But not only that - we need to create a business and social environment that at least create an opportunity to work for those not so fortunate to have a job at all.

NUMSA has made it very clear that they do not want to negotiate these issues at all. Whilst they create an impression of them fighting for the working class and the poor, their policies and actions achieve exactly the opposite.

The current collective bargaining model, which manifests itself in a far worse form within the Metal Industry, apart from those employees still fortunate to be in employment, and apart from being a powerful political instrument in the hands of super trade unions, is not at all beneficial to anybody or anything else in South Africa. Therefore, unless the collective bargaining model in South Africa is completely transformed in order to adapt to a competitive global environment, it will remain a destructive force in our economy. We encourage government to make bold decisions in this regard.

Government calls on the private sector to create jobs; it will however not happen if we, in these negotiations, continue with a dispensation that does exactly the opposite. So far the negotiating parties have simply kicked this pressing issue, now a national priority, for touch.

At the beginning of these negotiations NUMSA pointed out that this Industry lost 250 000 jobs in 5 years. The General Secretary of the MEIBC recently indicated that the Industry lost 750 000 jobs; I assume over a longer period. This is an accusation levelled against what the current bargaining council regime is doing to employment. My question to NUMSA is this: what do you propose will turn around the slaughtering of business and jobs in this Industry? Thus far you have proposed absolutely nothing.

Just as NUMSA does, NEASA also relies on a mandate from its members. NEASA's mandated position is an across the board offer of 8%, a lower entry level wage and measures to create a more flexible dispensation, all aimed at making the Industry more competitive and thereby to stimulate job creation. The dispensation NEASA proposes does not in any way 'down vary', a term often used by NUMSA, the conditions of employment of existing employees. It is a proposal for discussion to open the door to those who currently are not so fortunate to be employed in the Industry.

I fail to understand why anyone defending these positions is called a racist (by implication), 'backward' and a proponent of slave labour. Your intolerance of the employers' view, which obviously differs from NUMSA's view, is surprising; but perhaps not that surprising after all. Your intolerance is typical of the 'democracy' you stand for.

NUMSA makes an issue of the fact that NEASA is critical of collective bargaining and that we are supportive of the Free Market Foundation's challenge of one particular portion of the Labour Relations Act. This is no secret. Unless NUMSA presents an alternative which convinces us that it will give everybody an equal chance in South Africa, will improve the quality of living for everybody, not only its members, which is becoming fewer and fewer as unemployment increases, but also those desperately looking for work, we will pursue our current agenda. Not challenging the current collective bargaining model which NUMSA so dearly loves, will amount to a betrayal of South Africa. Bluntly put, South Africa cannot afford the current collective bargaining model and uncontrolled and rampant unionism.

Lastly, NUMSA threatens intensified strike action. What is meant by that? Does that mean more violence, more intimidation, more damage to properties, more assault of employees who wish to execute their constitutional right to work? Please tell South Africans what is meant by that? Let me put this to NUMSA: without violence this strike will fail. You do not have the popular support you claim to have, which is the reason for the violence and intimidation. However, NUMSA can prove me wrong by allowing those workers who want to return to work, to do so unhindered. This situation will be carefully monitored in the days to come.

Lastly, Mr Jim, I suggest you search your own heart for the evils you accuse others of. Avoid sowing the seed of racism and hatred, refrain from doing this in order to broaden your popular base; because when that flame starts burning, you may just find yourself very close to the fire.

Gerhard Papenfus

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:21 pm

This strike is going to be the beginning of the end of our Economy. Toyota SA het sopas op die nuus aangekondig dat hulle produksie van voertuie se vervaardiging staak agv die numsa vloerm@$r. Wonder wat gaan gebeur met daai wat nou gaan honger ly ...... al wat ek sien is Banana repukliek is ons nuwe voorland.

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:32 pm

Well,been home 14 working days now

Nearly running out of jobs to do on the hilux

tuff tralies · Post by **tuff tralies** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:35 pm

JohanM wrote:This strike is going to be the beginning of the end of our Economy. Toyota SA het sopas op die nuus aangekondig dat hulle produksie van voertuie se vervaardiging staak agv die numsa vloerm@$r. Wonder wat gaan gebeur met daai wat nou gaan honger ly ...... al wat ek sien is Banana repukliek is ons nuwe voorland.

Nou praat jy nie *a* nie wonder hoe lank ons besigeid sal bly staan met die.......

Post by **JohanM** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:02 pm

We are going now for 3 weeks with almost 0 production. Still suppliyng parts ect but think its time to mechanize the factory and get rid of these non compliant economical destroyers. Hoping for the best that lazy lame booma will mysterically appear and call a halt to this. But this is more dream than reality.....

dcsmax · Post by **dcsmax** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:17 pm

Two of my projects require a large number of solar geysers. Big hassle getting hold of them now.

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:58 am

Hello Deon

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I make the end domes for their geysers.

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:25 pm

Nou begin dinge vir my ook amper knyp!

As jy 110mm pvc pyp soek begin dit knor. EK verstaan nie dat die plastiek manne nou ook onder die staal vakbonde val nie. Dalk is my kop bietjie plat vir dit...

Volgende is geysers en dan koper pyp.

Die elektrisiens kan ook begin sukkel om kabel te kry.

Kom ons kyk wie word nou almal geraak:

1. Direkte staal verwerkers en groot ingeneurs maatskappye.
2. Motor bedryf
3. Konstruksie bedryf - re-inforcing, strukturele staal, ens.
4. Konstruksie/verwante instandhoudings bedryf - loodgieters en elekrisiens
5. Elke klein besigheid wat hekke en diefwering maak
6. Al die verwante bedrywe waar die mense in bogenoemde bedywe hul geld spandeer.

WELL DONE UNIONS!!!! YOU ARE BUGGERING UP A ONCE PROPERLY WORKING COUNTRY!!!

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:22 am

I received this communication from a community group I belong to in our area. Might be worth while sending the info... who knows... maybe we can make a difference

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:20 am

Thabo,sadly the injection molding companies fall under the steel industry(Tool & Die makers).They started with the engineering companies and now are trying to shut anything affiliated with it.Heat treatment plants,coating and so forth.I know of a few large scrap yards which are shut as well.

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:43 pm

this is my strike

although self not on strike

yes the extra money will be great as the more I earn the more likelihood that I keep driving my jeep and stay out of a hilux!!

however they have lost all my support, besides the well publicized violence, there are 3 incidents that stand out for me
they beat up a pregnant woman
they threw a student off the train
and they burned a dog alive

self feel that the right to strike is non negotiable, as IMO its the ultimate way of showing ones employer how strong one feels about what ever issues
further feel that the law also falls short
as the law should have a clause that the moment a strike gets violent then the right to strike should fall away

further, and know that there are many on here who have their own business and are affected by the barbaric nature of the strike
have a proposal for someone to start something

a list, almost like a credit blacklist, of employees who turn violent and destructive during a strike, so that when ones who have cozed damage and behave like hooligans get fired will be on that list and not get rehired into an industry that they try to destroy

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:44 pm

Stike is over,finally.........

Obelix and Dogmatix · Post by **Obelix and Dogmatix** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:48 pm

just as Dogmatix's started today!!!!!!!!!

ChrisF · Post by **ChrisF** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:02 pm

Thunder02 wrote:Stike is over,finally.........

uhm ja ..... ons klient is DIK die dinges in !!!!!!!!!

weens die strike is die projek nou meer as n maand laat klaar, EN nou is daar GROOT finansiele sports ....

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:46 am

en soos ek nou hoor gaan die vervoer nou staak, dis die vragmotors etc. WTH gaan aan met die land? wil hulle nie werk nie?? oops STUPID vraag ne................ alles is mos WE DEMAND

Obelix and Dogmatix · Post by **Obelix and Dogmatix** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:40 am

Hilux 1 wrote:en soos ek nou hoor gaan die vervoer nou staak, dis die vragmotors etc. WTH gaan aan met die land? wil hulle nie werk nie?? oops STUPID vraag ne................ alles is mos WE DEMAND

EN GIVE

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:59 am

Our strike is not over yet....
We fall under Nuasa and not Siefsa. Nuasa has not yet reached an agreement.......

Moonunit · Post by **Moonunit** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:30 am

We also with Neasa but my staff have come back. Unfortunately Neasa does not have enough power in the industry to dictate. They can continue as long as they like it will make very little difference this round, but i honestly hope they have the majority in 3 years time cause they do look out for the employers interest and ultimately the interest of creating jobs. Right now I have my targets set on a few problem staff and hopefully they will be without jobs by the end of the year.

I always play a long term game with these guys cause I know it is where I have the advantage because they will never see it coming.

Although in the same the hand I always look after the ones the look after me!

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:19 am

Moonunit wrote:We also with Neasa but my staff have come back. Unfortunately Neasa does not have enough power in the industry to dictate. They can continue as long as they like it will make very little difference this round, but i honestly hope they have the majority in 3 years time cause they do look out for the employers interest and ultimately the interest of creating jobs. Right now I have my targets set on a few problem staff and hopefully they will be without jobs by the end of the year.

I always play a long term game with these guys cause I know it is where I have the advantage because they will never see it coming.

Although in the same the hand I always look after the ones the look after me!

We had a very interesting day yesterday.
The striking workers wanted to come back to work yesterday (and not on Tuesday as supposed to).
When I told them since we are NEASA and have not agreed on a wage increase they can not come back to work as at the beginning of the strike we issued a "Lockout" to the union.

When they began getting agro we called our security company and within 5 Min and a view rubber bullets later they left the premises.....

We are now busy with dismissal procedures.

Moonunit · Post by **Moonunit** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:37 am

Good work! Already handed out 2 warnings in the past 2 days. Working these guys out one by one. Decided all new employees will remain on contract or use labour brokers. Gatvol of their bollie.

Pote · Post by **Pote** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:27 am

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