When does a Hilux stop being a Hilux?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:20 am

I posted this on the Hilux4x4.co.za Facebook group... Some heated debate is expected there, as those guys dont hold their punches like you guys here on the Forum... But this is an interesting question, and I guess we can get some interesting responses here too...

When does a Hilux stop being a Hilux?

Listen to the scenario below and give you honest opinion.

You buy a Hilux (new or used doesnt matter, you still pay premium because of the good resale value)... First thing you do is fit an aftermarket suspension..(OME, Ironman, Tough Dog whatever).

After a while the rims go and you fit a snazzy set of A-Line mags and some even snazzier tyres (low profile/muds/A/T's whatever)...
You decide to rip out the headlight bulbs and replace with HID or similar aftermarket kit because one night on a dark side road you almost hit a guy on a bicycle..

You dent/scratch the bumper doing a light trail and decide to replace with ARB/TJM/Onca/Whatever bumper. They also throw in a set of rock sliders, as well as a rear bumper/towbar for a special price... More Hilux parts gone...

Your mates talk you into doing an upgrade to the engine... You decide to put in a chip (overriding Toyota's electronics which are now basically used to control the window winders and the ABS) and also replace the exhaust and cats with an aftermarket free flow system.

The chip and other upgrades do not tickle your fancy and you replace the engine with something else. Not a Hilux engine, Lexus v8, Ford V6, Isuzu V6, Lumina V8 or whatever. This leads to all sorts of upgrades, like side shafts, diffs, gearboxes and transfer cases. Mostly with non Hilux stuff....

At this stage basically the only real Hilux stuff left over are the body panels and the seats??? It looks like a Hilux but is it still a Hilux??

This is an extreme scenario, I admit, but believe it or not, there are people who do this, and they are here on this page...
There is nothing wrong with modifications to your vehicle if it is going to satisfy your needs, that is not what this post is about...
We are not going to go into long discussions about the advantages and disadvantages. We want to know:
AT WHAT STAGE DURING YOUR MODIFICATION EXERCISE DOES A HILUX STOP BEING A HILUX??

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:29 am

To me, a hilux is not a hilux when you have taken it's heart out and replaced it with an other brand engine.

antlo69 · Post by **antlo69** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:35 am

For me these things gets to me:
Low profile 20" mags.
Autostyle chrome grills
Fake air scoops
None Toyota engine.

Hilux 1 · Post by **Hilux 1** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:42 am

Thunder02 wrote:To me, a hilux is not a hilux when you have taken it's heart out and replaced it with an other brand engine.

+1000000

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:45 am

So the drivetrain then, Neil? But the suspension is also an integral part of the vehicle and its offroad capability?

Houkswyn · Post by **Houkswyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:49 am

I would say when the drivetrain has been changed.

I would even go as far as saying its not a hilux when a non hilux engine is fitted, even if it is a toyota engine.

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:08 am

Ek sien dit so. Ek is ek. Of ek nou 'n been verloor, in 'n rolstoel is, met krikke loop, vol tattoos is, 'n heup vervanging gehad het, vet is , maer is, 'n hart oor planting gehad het, lewer of niere, of ek tekkies of plakkies dra... ek bly ek.

'n Hilux bly 'n Hilux alhoewel jy dalk net nie meer so 'n betroubare Hilux het na al die mods nie.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:21 am

CasKru wrote:Ek sien dit so. Ek is ek. Of ek nou 'n been verloor, in 'n rolstoel is, met krikke loop, vol tattoos is, 'n heup vervanging gehad het, vet is , maer is, 'n hart oor planting gehad het, lewer of niere, of ek tekkies of plakkies dra... ek bly ek.

'n Hilux bly 'n Hilux alhoewel jy dalk net nie meer so 'n betroubare Hilux het na al die mods nie.

Okay Cassie... maar as jy 'n breinoorplanting gehad het en 'n hartoorplanting... is jy nog jy?? Of lyk jy nog net nog soos jy??

Derren · Post by **Derren** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:35 am

As long as the body still looks like a Hilux then it's a Hilux..

.. although changing the engine is a grey area.

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:43 am

If Toyota wanted to, and were willing to drop their profit, they too could fit a superduper suspension to their 4x4s. But, to keep production costs in check, they fit a pretty basic suspension setup that just makes the grade... so for me a suspension upgrade is all in order. When the engine gets changed... the heart beat of the vehicle is changed!

Maar ja... I haven't seen an oke's personality change after a heart transplant... haha! I say... do what makes you happy! You want a Ford V6 in... then put a Ford V6 in... who said you can't?

Ok... so if the chassis is Toyota... then it's still a Toyota!

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:45 am

Maklik!

Waneer die liksens papiere nie meer 'Hilux' lees nie!

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:47 am

Mr_B wrote:If Toyota wanted to, and were willing to drop their profit, they too could fit a superduper suspension to their 4x4s. But, to keep production costs in check, they fit a pretty basic suspension setup that just makes the grade... so for me a suspension upgrade is all in order. When the engine gets changed... the heart beat of the vehicle is changed!

Maar ja... I haven't seen an oke's personality change after a heart transplant... haha! I say... do what makes you happy! You want a Ford V6 in... then put a Ford V6 in... who said you can't?

Ok... so if the chassis is Toyota... then it's still a Toyota!

That is basically what it boils down to. In other words, if you find a vehicle in a parking lot, how do you determine what vehicle it is?

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:03 am

CasKru wrote:
Mr_B wrote:If Toyota wanted to, and were willing to drop their profit, they too could fit a superduper suspension to their 4x4s. But, to keep production costs in check, they fit a pretty basic suspension setup that just makes the grade... so for me a suspension upgrade is all in order. When the engine gets changed... the heart beat of the vehicle is changed!

Maar ja... I haven't seen an oke's personality change after a heart transplant... haha! I say... do what makes you happy! You want a Ford V6 in... then put a Ford V6 in... who said you can't?

Ok... so if the chassis is Toyota... then it's still a Toyota!
That is basically what it boils down to. In other words, if you find a vehicle in a parking lot, how do you determine what vehicle it is?

Get under it and inspect the chassis!

Honestly... who cares? Some okes love modifying the cr@p out their vehicles... be it VW, Toyota, Audo, Landy...

Here's an example...

It's called a VW Taro... but we all know it's a Hilux!

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:05 am

Oh.... an Audo is a heavily modified Audi!

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:09 am

Cosmetic changes like after-market rims/tyres, front/rear bumpers etc have no bearing in this debate IMO.

Almost all vehicles that are applied off-road undergo a suspension change/upgrade, the standard units being more for road use and the street legality thereof in some European countries - and as Bretton mentioned, production costs. So no real debate there either.

Looks like the general consensus is that things change when a non Hilux motor conversion is done, but to me it still doesn't mean it's not a Hilux .... more like a hybrid.

Generally I think we buy these vehicles because we know that they are built tough, and that goes way beyond the power plant, although a motor conversion could likely affect the reliability that the Hilux is so well known for.

ôita · Post by **ôita** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:13 am

Vir my sê ek wanneer die enjin en/of drivetrain verander word.Hoe kan dit nog 'n Hilux wees as altwee vervang is? Dit lyk vir my of meeste ouens daardie siening het of gaan hê.....Ek sien gladnie fout daarmee as suspensie,wiele,bullbars,tanks,EFI's/carbs ens. geruil word nie....

Mr_B · Post by **Mr_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:14 am

Mud Dog wrote:Cosmetic changes like after-market rims/tyres, front/rear bumpers etc have no bearing in this debate IMO.

Almost all vehicles that are applied off-road undergo a suspension change/upgrade, the standard units being more for road use and the street legality thereof in some European countries - and as Bretton mentioned, production costs. So no real debate there either.

Looks like the general consensus is that things change when a non Hilux motor conversion is done, but to me it still doesn't mean it's not a Hilux .... more like a hybrid.

Generally I think we buy these vehicles because we know that they are built tough, and that goes way beyond the power plant, although a motor conversion could likely affect the reliability that the Hilux is so well known for.

By the same token Andy, changing any part on the vehicle to an aftermarket one could have a detrimental effect on reliablity and longevity... oil pump, alternator, oil filter, fuel pump... etc, etc... at least thats what Toyota would have us believe! What Toyota don't say is that the vast majority of these auxillary OEM parts are made by 3rd parties anyways!

Obelix and Dogmatix · Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:24 am

Thunder02 wrote:To me, a hilux is not a hilux when you have taken it's heart out and replaced it with an other brand engine.

Exactly what i said on the face book page give or take a word or two

Obelix and Dogmatix · Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:26 am

ThysdJ wrote:
CasKru wrote:Ek sien dit so. Ek is ek. Of ek nou 'n been verloor, in 'n rolstoel is, met krikke loop, vol tattoos is, 'n heup vervanging gehad het, vet is , maer is, 'n hart oor planting gehad het, lewer of niere, of ek tekkies of plakkies dra... ek bly ek.

'n Hilux bly 'n Hilux alhoewel jy dalk net nie meer so 'n betroubare Hilux het na al die mods nie.
Okay Cassie... maar as jy 'n breinoorplanting gehad het en 'n hartoorplanting... is jy nog jy?? Of lyk jy nog net nog soos jy??

like +1,

Ek sien Thys se hout leppel is uit en in die pot vandag

Obelix and Dogmatix · Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:33 am

So if you put in a engine of a different pedigree, say a fix or repair daily (ford) v6 (don't know why you would want to do that??) would you still take it to a Toyota garage to repair? or more likely a back yard mechanic that is willing to work on the hybrid as someone said higher up??

Die$eL · Post by **Die$eL** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:38 am

Why specifically Hilux? This question would apply to any and all vehicles...

There is more to a vehicle that just the engine/gearbox/suspension

drive train, shell, interior, electronics (adding a chip only changes boost, ignition timing and fueling, there is still alot the ECU does) etc.

i'd say the vehicle itself remains a Hilux but the parts which are changed are not...

antlo69 · Post by **antlo69** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:02 am

Ek dink 'n mens moet jouself die vraag vra, wat beteken dit vir my om 'n Hilux te besit? Vir my gaan dit oor meer as net betroubaarheid, inruil waarde ens ens. Vir my gaan dit oor wat ek kan doen met my Hilux.

Die ander dag was daar 'n man by my wat sy Hilux "gedrop" het en hy kruip oor die spoed walletjies. Daai Hilux sal in sy lewe nooit 'n grondpad eers sien nie en nog minder 'n bietjie gewig laai. So vir my is dit 'n platkar met Hilux badge.

Ek het al baie gespreke gehad om 'n kampvuur oor die onderwerp en baie was al gese oor IFS vs. SFA, m-*-f-f-i-e knoppies vs. OLD school manual elbow grease ens ens. Maar ons hier op die Forum gaan ons Hilux's anders gebruik as die drywer van ons geliefde Eskom in hulle platkar Hilux.

As n man 'n 1987 Hilux het en sy engin is gedan, hy het toegang op n goedkoop Ford V6 en kan nie iets anders soos Lexus bekostig nie laat hom dit doen, dis sy Hilux, sy keuse en hy betaal vir dit.

Ek vir een het een groot reel....geen pirate parte meer in my Hilux nie.

Post by **Haboob** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:44 am

If it's yours, call it what you like... You pay the bills and remain responsible for the consequenses there-of...

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:12 pm

The other thing that also alters the vehicle is if you want a 4x4 machine for obstacles or an overlander, most Hiluxs can be used for overlanding without much mods.
So is a over modified 4x4 machine still a hilux and should Toyota get the credit

Thys, I think you scratching were it does on itch

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:07 pm

I think when you replace the engine with a non-hilux engine then it is no longer a hilux...... Those that attempt to sell Hilux's with anything but Hilux engines in them, mostly recommend putting the old Hilux engine back in the vehicle, because they do not sell readily with other non-hilux engines..... so I would think that the general (ie I said general), consensus I would say from the population, is that the engine that is running the body and its attachments is what defines the vehicle.... I.M.O.

And yes Thys, you and I have had this debate a number of times before. eg. If you took your Jeepie engine out of that body and put a Hilux engine in it.... well then you would have another Hilux disguised as a Jeep....

DawidT · Post by **DawidT** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:09 pm

Eish, I was hoping to get my hands on an ex Geniel de Villiers, Dakar model........ now it not a Hilux anymore.....

Sal maar n stock standard, ware Hilux koop....

Would you call your highly modified vehicle after the most expensive part fitted to it....??? :?

Very interesting topic

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:26 pm

Customizing or enhancing a vehicles capabilities to suit your specific needs doesn't mean you're changing it's name, it still stays a Hilux or whatever, it only means you are not one of the masses, you don't want to walk out of the mall and search for the correct licence plate, your vehicle has to stand out, it has to look the part and have superior capabilities, even swapping the motor for a different brand won't change it's identity.There are a many 110's, Jeep Cherokees and Range Rovers with Lexus V8's, Wranglers with Chevy V8's and Toyota Diesels etc. The main reason that there is so many Hiluxes with other engines is that the rest of the vehicle lasts so long and is still in good nick, but the engines becomes outdated, the same can be said for the Jeep Wrangler/CJ. The Dakar hilux Giniel drives (not the one with the chrome and stickers) has a modified Lexus V8 engine, (not Toyota) as toyota insists that Lexus uses no toyota parts, the frame is a tubular racing unit with all imported custom built suspension hubs and axle, the gearbox are built by a french company, but the composite body resembles a Hilux and it has the badge. Some engine manufacturers supply there engines to different makes, like Iveco that suplies the WL aka 2.5 and 3.0 Ford/Mazda engines, the Yaris shares it's engine with Peugeot and Citroen, in the eighties, Toyota Lancruiser used ADE engines and Yamaha still supplies the High performance Toyota engines, in the states Cumins supplies almost all diesel engines, rumor has it that the new Toyota Tundra will run with a Cumins engine, Landrover used there own, Rover, Jaguar, Mercedes, and now some Tata engine built by Peugeot. Jeep used Iveco and Mercedes diesel engines and the same v8's found in some Chryslers and Jeep manual boxes are suplied by AISAN (Toyota), the list goes on and on. So i think it's fair to say that the power plant is also not the "heart and soul" of a vehicle.

Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:37 pm

@Andy and Val,

What is a "non Hilux" engine?

The 22R was in a Hi ace, Hilux, Cressida , ect?

For me its the brand not the model that's important.

Kaspaas is a Hilux, it has a TOYOTA Cressida engine and for me that's all that counts.

I own a Toyota 4x4. Nuff said!

Onother thing: If you argue that a Hilux, is a Hilux, Is a Hilux, and is based on the unbreakable SFA Hilux, then a Vigo & Bullnose is not a Hilux??

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:47 pm

Hoppy wrote:Customizing or enhancing a vehicles capabilities to suit your specific needs doesn't mean you're changing it's name, it still stays a Hilux or whatever, it only means you are not one of the masses, you don't want to walk out of the mall and search for the correct licence plate, your vehicle has to stand out, it has to look the part and have superior capabilities, even swapping the motor for a different brand won't change it's identity.There are a many 110's, Jeep Cherokees and Range Rovers with Lexus V8's, Wranglers with Chevy V8's and Toyota Diesels etc. The main reason that there is so many Hiluxes with other engines is that the rest of the vehicle lasts so long and is still in good nick, but the engines becomes outdated, the same can be said for the Jeep Wrangler/CJ. The Dakar hilux Giniel drives (not the one with the chrome and stickers) has a modified Lexus V8 engine, (not Toyota) as toyota insists that Lexus uses no toyota parts, the frame is a tubular racing unit with all imported custom built suspension hubs and axle, the gearbox are built by a french company, but the composite body resembles a Hilux and it has the badge. Some engine manufacturers supply there engines to different makes, like Iveco that suplies the WL aka 2.5 and 3.0 Ford/Mazda engines, the Yaris shares it's engine with Peugeot and Citroen, in the eighties, Toyota Lancruiser used ADE engines and Yamaha still supplies the High performance Toyota engines, in the states Cumins supplies almost all diesel engines, rumor has it that the new Toyota Tundra will run with a Cumins engine, Landrover used there own, Rover, Jaguar, Mercedes, and now some Tata engine built by Peugeot. Jeep used Iveco and Mercedes diesel engines and the same v8's found in some Chryslers and Jeep manual boxes are suplied by AISAN (Toyota), the list goes on and on. So i think it's fair to say that the power plant is also not the "heart and soul" of a vehicle.

Now that you have stated it that way Hoppy, I tend to agree, It's the passion for the brand and the ability to modify it to suite our needs, they are basically giving us a great platform to work with.

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:48 pm

Kaspaas wrote:@Andy and Val,

What is a "non Hilux" engine?

The 22R was in a Hi ace, Hilux, Cressida , ect?

For me its the brand not the model that's important.

Kaspaas is a Hilux, it has a TOYOTA Cressida engine and for me that's all that counts.

I own a Toyota 4x4. Nuff said!

Onother thing: If you argue that a Hilux, is a Hilux, Is a Hilux, and is based on the unbreakable SFA Hilux, then a Vigo & Bullnose is not a Hilux??

Watch it........

Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:50 pm

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:51 pm

Kaspaas wrote:

I think Thys just wants to stir the forum up.............

Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:13 pm

Thunder02 wrote:
Kaspaas wrote:@Andy and Val,

What is a "non Hilux" engine?

The 22R was in a Hi ace, Hilux, Cressida , ect?

For me its the brand not the model that's important.

Kaspaas is a Hilux, it has a TOYOTA Cressida engine and for me that's all that counts.

I own a Toyota 4x4. Nuff said!

Onother thing: If you argue that a Hilux, is a Hilux, Is a Hilux, and is based on the unbreakable SFA Hilux, then a Vigo & Bullnose is not a Hilux??

Watch it........

Thats a topic for another day, Thys can use it in the future if wants to kick the hornets nest again!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:33 pm

Got you guys thinking a bit there...

I got bsuy, and couldnt join in, but I have replies yo just about every single one of you...

4x4BEES · Post by **4x4BEES** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:50 pm

Ek dink oom kort 'n vakansie

4x4BEES · Post by **4x4BEES** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:57 pm

Too add to the topic,

I think a Hilux stops being a Hilux when you can't recognize it anymore
from a vision perspective.

Hoppy · Post by **Hoppy** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:16 pm

a Hilux is what you want it to be, anything from basic transport to overlander, courier service, tow truck, race truck, moms taxi, etc. etc. You can turn it into anything you need and it will handle anything you throw at it. Modifying and or enhancing it will maybe change its character, but not its identity.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:28 pm

Kaspaas wrote:@Andy and Val,

What is a "non Hilux" engine?

The 22R was in a Hi ace, Hilux, Cressida , ect?

Cobus, I suppose it's more from a purist perspective ... although Toyota motors, Hilux's were never supplied with MGE / JZ / UZ motors.

@ Allan - The UZ (Lexus V8) is surely a Toyota motor if Lexus is a division of Toyota and the motor even has the Toyota emblem and name on the tappet cover.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:33 pm

4x4BEES wrote:Ek dink oom kort 'n vakansie

Kevin, lyk my jy't weer een van daai tik foute begaan ...... was seker veronderstel om te lees "Ek dink kort oom vat 'n kansie"

louis fourie · Post by **louis fourie** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:47 am

ThysdJ wrote:
CasKru wrote:Ek sien dit so. Ek is ek. Of ek nou 'n been verloor, in 'n rolstoel is, met krikke loop, vol tattoos is, 'n heup vervanging gehad het, vet is , maer is, 'n hart oor planting gehad het, lewer of niere, of ek tekkies of plakkies dra... ek bly ek.

'n Hilux bly 'n Hilux alhoewel jy dalk net nie meer so 'n betroubare Hilux het na al die mods nie.
Okay Cassie... maar as jy 'n breinoorplanting gehad het en...............??

Nee, dan is Cassie slimmer:twisted:

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Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:55 am

Looks like I'll have to put a Cressida 4x4 sticker on my tail gate like the Ranger guys with their Cortina branding.......

Post by **Baasvark** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:11 am

I see it this way, as long as the drive train, engine or whatever is of the toyota brand, it doesn't really matter.

Might not be a Hilux but is still a Toyota (albeit my modified version of what I would like a Toyota to be

)

Once the other engine makes etc are used it technically becomes a Hybrid.

Doesn't matter to me. I can still appreciate someone's passion and knowhow if he made the effort to modify his vehicle according to his needs/likes.

Suspension, tyres etc are like shoes - different types for different applications - but not the heart of the vehicle.

Ultimately we all love 4x4ing and that's what it's all really about

Post by **LouisZ** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:25 am

Wanneer die Hilux meer kan nie en deur die Smelt oond gaan... nie dat dit baie gebeur nie.

Kaspaas · Post by **Kaspaas** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:42 am

Baasvark wrote:I see it this way, as long as the drive train, engine or whatever is of the toyota brand, it doesn't really matter.

Might not be a Hilux but is still a Toyota (albeit my modified version of what I would like a Toyota to be )

Once the other engine makes etc are used it technically becomes a Hybrid.

Doesn't matter to me. I can still appreciate someone's passion and knowhow if he made the effort to modify his vehicle according to his needs/likes.

Suspension, tyres etc are like shoes - different types for different applications - but not the heart of the vehicle.

Ultimately we all love 4x4ing and that's what it's all really about

Give that man a Bells!

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:24 pm

Isn't the name Hilux related to a Make and Model aka a Toyota with a specific shape. Doesn't any car make and model work like this.

Using the old Corolla and Conquest as an example. Although most models were identical in the front and under the bonnet, because the one is a hatch back and the other is not they got different names...

So when is a Hilux not a Hilux? When you put another body on the chassis.

When does a jeep stop being a jeep? Think the same applies...

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:28 pm

peetvdw wrote:Isn't the name Hilux related to a Make and Model aka a Toyota with a specific shape. Doesn't any car make and model work like this.

Using the old Corolla and Conquest as an example. Although most models were identical in the front and under the bonnet, because the one is a hatch back and the other is not they got different names...

So when is a Hilux not a Hilux? When you put another body on the chassis.

When does a jeep stop being a jeep? Think the same applies...

When it gets to the first obstacle, then becomes a sheep

3UZ-BLOUES · Post by **3UZ-BLOUES** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:34 pm

Die oomblik wat jy n Ford enjin in hom sit

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:40 pm

Thunder02 wrote:
peetvdw wrote:Isn't the name Hilux related to a Make and Model aka a Toyota with a specific shape. Doesn't any car make and model work like this.

Using the old Corolla and Conquest as an example. Although most models were identical in the front and under the bonnet, because the one is a hatch back and the other is not they got different names...

So when is a Hilux not a Hilux? When you put another body on the chassis.

When does a jeep stop being a jeep? Think the same applies...
When it gets to the first obstacle, then becomes a sheep

4x4BEES · Post by **4x4BEES** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:48 pm

Mud Dog wrote:
4x4BEES wrote:Ek dink oom kort 'n vakansie
Kevin, lyk my jy't weer een van daai tik foute begaan ...... was seker veronderstel om te lees "Ek dink kort oom vat 'n kansie"

Ek wens ja

Maar, daai oom is langer as ek

Thabogrobler · Post by **Thabogrobler** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:27 pm

Maak dit saak watter badge jou kar op het?

As jy lekker ry en kom waar jy wil wees is dit mos reg?

Oupa Stig · Post by **Oupa Stig** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:00 pm

^^^
Sê die ou met die LR in sy driveway...

A Hilux stops being a Hilux the day the bits that are left over after it has been stipped for spares gets squashed at the scrapyard.

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:10 am

Eish.... and Thys, is sitting back (probably in his Jeep), reading this thread, wooden spoon in hand, laughing his butt off....

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:19 am

CasKru wrote:Ek sien dit so. Ek is ek. Of ek nou 'n been verloor, in 'n rolstoel is, met krikke loop, vol tattoos is, 'n heup vervanging gehad het, vet is , maer is, 'n hart oor planting gehad het, lewer of niere, of ek tekkies of plakkies dra... ek bly ek.

'n Hilux bly 'n Hilux alhoewel jy dalk net nie meer so 'n betroubare Hilux het na al die mods nie.

Ja maar dis die siel wat tel. Die Siel bly nog altyd jy, al dra jy plakkies..... So die vraag is eintlike wat is die siel van die Hilux....as jy die siel verander dan is dit nie meer n Hilux nie.... en ek glo die siel is die enjin...

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:02 am

Is die siel van 'n Hilux nie die man agter die stuur nie?

GI Jane · Post by **GI Jane** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:31 am

peetvdw wrote:Is die siel van 'n Hilux nie die man agter die stuur nie?

of die vrou....

peetvdw · Post by **peetvdw** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:54 pm

GI Jane wrote:
peetvdw wrote:Is die siel van 'n Hilux nie die man agter die stuur nie?
of die vrou....

Jammer

of die vrou...

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:43 pm

Jeezz Louizze. You are getting really deep now. Youre right Val I did have a good chuckle here and there.

This is how I see it. A Hilux is a Hilux as long as you want it to be a Hilux. So there is no right or wrong answer to this question... The purists will tell you the moment you install a pirate oil filter that it is no longer a true Hilux. So we can deduct from this that most, if not all of the respondents are not purists.....