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Dodgy 2nd hand Toyota's

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It seems like there is more than one person who bought 2nd hand a Hilux or Fortuner or other from reputable dealerships just to find out all is not what it's made out to be. :silent:

I read up on a couple of threads where the cars was supposed to be write offs but the dealers manage to get these cars back on their stands and sells it to unsuspecting customers.

My toppie took is brother in laws Hilux to Darryl's workshop to raise the suspension a bit. By taking the wheels off they discovered that this Hilux was in an accident which prompted a dodgy repair job. Worst of all, this car was bought from Automark. :shock: On inspection Darryl found that the shocks was extended by cutting the shaft at the bottom and extending it by welding in a spacer :? , and the left side coil did not match the right side. There is also some bushes that is completely worn and needs to be replaced. ( Cannot say if it is caused by the accident or normal wear and tear)



So the purpose of this post is to warn anyone that is in the market to buy a 2nd hand car. Go through everything before taking delivery! Get a report from the AA, or take someone who knows what to look for or even take the VIN number and check with insurance companies what is the history on the car.

I got caught by Auotmark, and don't want to go through it again! hopefully this does not happen with you!

PS. Once again Darryl and the team at Mikem delivered the best service you could imagine :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Glad you discovered this! Bloody scary to say the least. Doesn't Automark also have a 1000 point checklist on the vehicle? Dodgy! Will take them to court if I were you.
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Rianc wrote:Glad you discovered this! Bloody scary to say the least. Doesn't Automark also have a 1000 point checklist on the vehicle? Dodgy! Will take them to court if I were you.
I am sure he will go to Automark and take it from there, I just want to post it so would be buyers does not end up with the same problems :silent:

It is unbelievable, to say the least.
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Thanks for the heads up and advice.

Hope no one else gets caught out like that.
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Well, I bought a vehicle from them some years ago, and discovered that the km's was spinned back with 100000km. This was discovered when I asked for a 120k service, they said they need to do the 220k service at another dealer. The history was printed for me and low and behold, it was due for the 220k service well..........................
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Ons het my vrou se audi by toyota gekoop, sy het 7 weke vir haar plate/lisensie gewag elke keer net verskonings gemaak. Hulle doen ook hulle "eie checks" ens, maar ek dink ek moet motor ook by AA laat nasien net ingeval...
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Nasien by die AA gaan nie veel help nie. Net n mors van geld in my opinie.

Ek het die vol tegniese toets laat doen toe ek my bakkie gekoop het en hulle kon nie eers optel dat die uitlaat pyp los in die knaldemper boks gesit het nie, ten spyte van die ooglopende tekens.

Ek moes dit uitwys.
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Ek het 'n cruiser gekoop wat deur die AA nagegaan is. Hulle kon nie eers optel dat die regter voor lig nie gewerk het nie. Hy het nie eers 'n gloeilampie ingehad nie! Laat mens wonder...
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Dit lyk my ook alles het in verval gegaan, alles gaan oor geld en wins te jaag, diens staan laaste in die ry. Die enkele instansies, wat hulle sout werd is, is entrepeneurs wat op eie houtjie n bestaan moet maak teen die stroom.
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Cant you use consumer protection act to hep you there and force Automark to take the car back?
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Get a report from the AA
I relied on a AA report once in my live and nether again.
It is as useless as anything else.
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Die enigste verskil tussen Automark en die res is dat jy net baie meer by Automark betaal.
Die beste is om hom by iemand wat in daardie voertuie spesialiseer te laat nagaan.
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I bought my bakkie through Automark as well and when i got it, it was using a pint of oil a week. After a bit of forward and backward stories I found out it had broken rings and a hole burnt in one piston. They ended up overhauling it at their cost after I threatened to go to court about it because of their claim that every vehicle goes through the Automark checklist. If they did that they would have picked up the problem before selling the car to me.
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Janee met die aanvraag vir Toyota's is daar natuurlik geld te maak.....
Jy moet hom maar nuut koop as j die geld het....smaak my ek gaat my LTD nog laaaaank ry :lol:
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Many years ago a prominent auto group tried to flog me a bakkie that has been repaired after a serious accident also involving a roll.

They never expected me to stop at a panelbeater during the test drive for a quick inspection that i arranged beforehand. The look on the salesman's face was priceless as all the accident damages and (bad) fixes was pointed out - basically a code 3 car being disguised. Being a Toyota they normally find it easy to flog.

Trust an auto dealer or the AA at your own peril.
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Mikie wrote:Cant you use consumer protection act to hep you there and force Automark to take the car back?
Ek dink dis die pad om te gaan.
Word te vinnig oud en te stadig wys.
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WayneSchalk wrote:So the purpose of this post is to warn anyone that is in the market to buy a 2nd hand car. Go through everything before taking delivery! Get a report from the AA, or take someone who knows what to look for or even take the VIN number and check with insurance companies what is the history on the car.
How do you go about checking the VIN number with insurance companies? Is there a general data base that they have access to where a vehicle's history is stored?
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Maverick131 wrote:
WayneSchalk wrote:So the purpose of this post is to warn anyone that is in the market to buy a 2nd hand car. Go through everything before taking delivery! Get a report from the AA, or take someone who knows what to look for or even take the VIN number and check with insurance companies what is the history on the car.
How do you go about checking the VIN number with insurance companies? Is there a general data base that they have access to where a vehicle's history is stored?
If it was claimed through the insurance it becomes their responsibility to change the natis papers from code 1 or 2 to 3 and take the car off your name as they buy the salvage. So if said salvage finds it way back on to a showroom floor then the natis system should show it as a code 3.

You basically want to see that natis document. BUT I have it on good authority that this does not always happen. The salvage is sold on without the code of the vehicle showing it is now a code 3 (which means it is now a rebuild).

So there is ways around that. The best is like someone else mentioned is have a car checked mechanically and by a panel beater if possible. :crazy:
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Thanks Wayne. So basically hook them up to a lie detector test... :tongue:
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HAHAHAH, just about...
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