Removing Fuse

Have your Hilux just been stolen. Please report it here and let everybody help to keep an eye out for your Hilux.
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Mon May 14, 2018 1:40 pm

Would removing a fuse responsible for starting the engine help in preventing a theft?

I RTFM'ed and saw that fuse number 17 in the engine bay is for engine ignition (2014 Hilux). Would it be feasible for me to remove that in the morning when I get to work?

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Mon May 14, 2018 2:29 pm

Yes it should help. Considering the fact that the thieves are in a hurry to get out of there as quickly as possible they may think the ignition is not coming on due to a second immobilizer forcing them to "troubleshoot" which takes more time. The problem is that their troubleshooting involves breaking off the covers one by one looking for the other immobilizer.
In that state of hurry they might not think of looking for a missing fuse. Problem is that there are plenty of other fuses around to swap in should they realise that the fuse is missing.

Anything that wastes their time can serve to dissuade them.

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Mon May 14, 2018 10:54 pm

I used to do that and came back to an empty parking with the fuse still in my pocket. The thugs are a lot more savvy than we give then credit for. They either pick up on the missing fuse and just bridge it with a paperclip / wire or they run a jumper straight off the battery. A fuel cut-off solenoid valve (hidden) and a control switch in the cab (also hidden) may be more effective.
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Tue May 15, 2018 8:10 am

Oh that's disappointing. Anyway, I just checked the fusebox and it's too much hassle to do every morning to be a feasible solution.

A fuel-cutoff sounds like a better option. I do have an anti-hijack installed though.
does that perform a similar task?
would it be redundant if I added a fuel cutoff as well?

Someone suggested I remove the starter relay. Could that work?

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Tue May 15, 2018 9:12 am

Not sure that removing the starter relay alone will work that well either .... they'll just jump it from the battery and being a diesel won't make that much difference either if the ecu is live ..... a diesel does not need glow plugs to start if it's not a cold start like in the morning. If it has been running and the motor is warm it will fire up immediately, most often even a cold start in the warmth of the day.

The more "tricks" you use, the better the chances. You could check and see if your anti-hijack has a fuel cut-off function incorporated - if not, adding one can't do any harm.
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Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 am

what about a wheel clamp?

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Tue May 15, 2018 1:56 pm

:laugh2: That might be going a bit far but depends on what lock you use. I have already cut a clamp off one of my vehicles with a bolt cutter after an argument with a stupid security guard who then decided to be clever and clamp my vehicle while I was still there (huge-ass bolt cutter that I used to keep in my work bakkie) - long story, but in the end I got an apology from his employers after they contacted me and I gave them the full story. :D:
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Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 pm

Looks OK. Why not try it. Not expensive either.
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Wed May 16, 2018 7:56 am

Fair enough. I've ordered it. Let's see how it works...

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Fri May 18, 2018 8:21 am

Anywhere that fits car alarms sells solenoid operated fuel valves. Put one onto the fuel line, with a hidden switch.
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Fri May 25, 2018 8:24 am

StuckInTheMudd wrote:
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Fair enough. I've ordered it. Let's see how it works...
I'm watching this with interest. Would be mighty nice if you could give feedback, i.e. how strong / durable the unit is.
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Fri May 25, 2018 8:42 am

Anywhere that fits car alarms sells solenoid operated fuel valves. Put one onto the fuel line, with a hidden switch.
I've noticed that Autowatch have fuel solenoids as an extra. I already have their Anti-Hijack fitted.

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I'm watching this with interest. Would be mighty nice if you could give feedback, i.e. how strong / durable the unit is.
I got it and I'm not all that impressed. It's feels very flimsy. Almost as if a crowbar could easily bend it open. I haven't tried it, but it looks as if deflating the tyre would allow for the clamp to just fall off.

I wouldn't expect it to offer any security.

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Fri May 25, 2018 8:50 am

Thanks for the heads up. I'm terrified every time I park my beloved 1400 Nissan. It has a fuel cut off and gear lock installed but I'm not yet satisfied and looking to install a 3rd additional deterrent/device.
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Fri May 25, 2018 9:07 am

StuckInTheMudd wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 8:42 am

I got it and I'm not all that impressed. It's feels very flimsy. Almost as if a crowbar could easily bend it open. I haven't tried it, but it looks as if deflating the tyre would allow for the clamp to just fall off.

I wouldn't expect it to offer any security.
i think takealot got 7 day no questions asked return policy ??
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Fri May 25, 2018 9:12 am

dalkill wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:07 am
i think takealot got 7 day no questions asked return policy ??
if it is "undamaged and unused".
yotaman wrote: but I'm not yet satisfied and looking to install a 3rd additional deterrent/device.
I'm looking for a solution that locks my breaks.
Hopefully this will make towing more difficult. You can install every immobilizer that exists. Shit, you can even take your engine out, but it helps nothing if they just tow your vehicle away.

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Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am

Well even if the brakes are locked they can still winch it onto a low-bed.

There was a (local if I remember correctly) guy some time ago that invented a mechanism that locks the propshaft. That could also be worth looking at.

Any mechanism that locks your brakes will either use the handbrake mechanism to lock the rear wheels or apply pressure to the hydraulic system so that the brakes are engaged. If you cut the handbrake cable in the first instance the system will release and if you simply open a bleed screw on any of the wheels the excess pressure will be released, releasing the brakes. Plus I would be worried that the mechanism can inadvertently engage whilst I am driving.

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Fri May 25, 2018 11:13 am

Interesting. How invasive would such a system be? I am also very concerned about safety.

The handbrake is too weak to stop a 3.0 diesel engine. I know this because I forgot my handbrake on and went driving (I am not a smart man).

So I looked at something like a steering lock that jams the brake pedal. But that either jams it up, the opposite of what I want. Or there is no sturdy base to jam it against. I also don't want to drill bolts into my floor.

Winching onto a trailer is definitely still a problem. But they will need to bring said trailer. They won't be able to throw a rope to the back of a taxi and drive off.

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Fri May 25, 2018 11:39 am

Agreed. The bottom line is that one should adopt an approach of using several different mechanisms and deterrents to dissuade them. Sad as it is the only thing you want to achieve is to let them realise it is easier to walk to the next one.

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Sun May 27, 2018 7:50 am

I disconnected the solenoid wire on the starter, and ran it through a switch that I installed inside the glovebox. When I park the truck, I flip the switch and the starter won't engage even with the key. If you have a locking glovebox, it gives a second layer of security. Nothing will stop a real professional thief, but maybe you can slow him (her) down enough to get him caught.

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