VIGO and IFS SUSPENSION LIFT SPECIAL

Francois is the Hilux specialist in Cape Town. Any problems with your Hilux, take it to him, he will sort it out. He also developed a super downpipe for the KZ-TE which greatly enhance performance.
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Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:07 am

Hi guys

I am running a special on Vigo's syspension lift for front and rear.

Front we fit 30mm spacers which gives it about 50mm lift

and then retension of the rear springs with a extra blade in each pack to lift it according to weight of load.

We have huge success by doing it.

On the IFS we do the same with the rear spring packs and set the torsion bars toe give it its lift for the front.

VIGO Front: R1000 Rear: R1800

IFS Front: R0 Rear: R1800

Offer ends End of December.

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Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:37 pm

Why don't you do the spacers for the IFS?
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Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:59 pm

Francois.
Im dumbfounded as to see what you trying to do.Its a joke!Guys seriously this is a swindle of note!

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Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:00 am

Swindle?
Don't agree.
Even I, with almost zero knowledge, can determine for myself that upping front torsions and fitting an extra blade in rear is not really much of a suspension lift.
The man has advertised EXCACTLY what you get for your money.
I think just about everybody here knows of Mikem's work too, and most folk have had good experiences with Mikem (You'll be seeing me sometime in April), and I think we all understand the difference between what you offer and the advert for 4lux.
4lux also has a good reputation, so I seriously doubt "swindle" intentions, Darryl.

The only issue is that the ad should make clear the long and short term results. And that should only be an issue if it was an ad to the public. Here anybody is entitled to ask on the thread any questions they wish, and 4lux's reputation is at stake, so they'll be honest, because there are other guys here who can see their response (like Darryl) who will not hesitate to point out inconsistencies in order to protect fellow club and forum members.

So, I think not, swindle wise. Just like with ANYTHING it is up to me, the customer to check what will be done, and to research (2nd opinion and all that stuff) the results and effects on my vehicle. If you've done your homework, which is easy to do on this forum, you'll understand 4lux's offer exactly for what it is.
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:39 pm

We at 4xlux had 100% success by doing this syspension lifts.
All our clients are satisfied which we did it for, and everyone agree that they don't know why they did not had it done a long time ago.

Thank you.
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:12 pm

Francois uses the lift spacers suplied by 4x4 Direct and ads blades to the rear and charges a very reasonable price for it.
I have been doing that conversion for many years with great success, even my own vehicle runs with that conversion, obviously you can not compare it to a full Old Man EMU or similar suspension, but it gives the same ride height and load carrying capacity at a fraction of a price.
We have never criticized Mikem's work and i don't think it's fair to do so or for you compare a R2K suspension with R14K one and call it a "swindle".
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:03 pm

Agree with Hoppy. If you want to call it a swindle compare apples with apples.
You cannot compare a retension job with a set of new springs.
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:54 pm

Jip. I had my blade springs done by 4xLux.They added another blade and retension the pack with mikem shackles. I am very satisfied.If I had the money I would have upgraded to a new pack.For now I am happy and do not feel swindle at all.
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:34 pm

Darrell
Why are you saying it's a swindle?
Making such a strong statement, I would like to hear your reasons.

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Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:48 pm

4xLux explains what you get.

Where is the swindle in that?

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:05 am

Meaning of Swindle =" use deception to deprive (someone) of money or possessions."
I think everybody know what they are getting for the money they pay .
Francois has always bend over backwards for his customers with excellent service . He is not just a New part fitter like most of the workshops I know he actually fix things :applaud: :applaud:
I use to fit suspensions long before all this fancy brand names where on the market and there is nothing wrong with the less expensive suspension from 4XLUX.
Why don't you let everybody have their small piece in the sun?
Shame on you Darrell.
I think an apology is in order.

Thank you Francois for great service :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:21 am

WESKUSKLONG wrote:Meaning of Swindle =" use deception to deprive (someone) of money or possessions."
I think everybody know what they are getting for the money they pay .
Francois has always bend over backwards for his customers with excellent service . He is not just a New part fitter like most of the workshops I know he actually fix things :applaud: :applaud:
I use to fit suspensions long before all this fancy brand names where on the market and there is nothing wrong with the less expensive suspension from 4XLUX.
Why don't you let everybody have their small piece in the sun?
Shame on you Darrell.
I think an apology is in order.

Thank you Francois for great service :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:31 am

Mmmmm...I have done ecactly what these guys offer here a good 6 years ago tp 3 of my pickups.

Yes, the leafs did sag a bit but it is still higher than standard. Rides is a tad harder when empty but I always carry a load.

Lets call it the budget concious lift kit?
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:00 am

Hi Guys.
I apologise if I have offended anyone but I should explain myself better.
1)Easy to fit spacers but they over extend the downward travel of the suspension as they force the lower control arms downward and actually further down the line will cost more money to fix ie upper control arm with ball joint as it wears quicker costs R4500 each ex vat from agent.This also causes cv wear and wear on driveline components
2)Leaf packs re-tensioned adding blade if not done correctly will not last as they guys simply don't do it properely does anyone even use a load tester after to see what spec it becomes?
3)Shocks then also become too short and they also wear do you change them?
so basically you get what you pay for quick fix and later on you end up paying big time we had a vehicle in yesterday same story.
You also got to take the actual weights into account of how the vehicles are set-up in order to supply the correct components.

So what im saying is be careful of all of above as it costs much more to fix later than what it costs to give it this budget lift simple as that.
Once again apologise for not explaining it better in my first post.
Regards
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Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:30 am

I accept your apology, although doesn't explain the "swindle" bit.
If you fit aftermarket struts on a Vigo, most of them are 20 to 30mm longer than the std ones or they increase the rideheight by 40 to 60mm by stiffening the springs, exactly the same as a std strut with a spacer.
Any mods on a vehicle has pros and cons, if you lift it with spacers or special struts, it will increase the cv angles exactly the same.
If you lift a Hilux 50mm at the back you are still within working range and far from the maximum extended stops on a shock and fitting longer shocks will have a negative effect on propshaft angles when extended.
Fitting an extra blade at the back will increase load carrying ability and not add much ride height.
I've had more problems with vibrations and broken joints after fitting aftermarket suspensions than I've had after modifying std ones and i've seen many broken front struts on Vigos and most are aftermarket "stronger" ones.
We fit as many aftermarket suspensions as we do mods, in the end you do what the customer wants and can afford and i make sure to explain the pros and cons to the customer.
Don't get me wrong, if someone has the budget and they can use the full potential of a proper aftermarket suspension, i will recommend it any day.
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