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Ek weet n stupid vraag kry n stupid antwoord maar "as" hierdie n stupid vraag is soek ek asb nie n stupid antwoord nie :idea:
Almal sukkel met body lifts en suspension lifts, het nou gesit en wonder, kan mens nie tussen jou blad vere en jou as n spacer in sit nie? Dis tog baie makliker of nie?:crazy:
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Jy kan, jy kry ook sulke 4" kits te koop.

Dit vermeerder nie jou "travel" of "articulation" nie

Dit veroorsaak ook "axle tramp" veral in sand, ek het twee stelle hier wat ek moes uithaal.
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axle tramp
Jo Allan, wat de jorry is dit?
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Verduidelik bietjie meer en wat is axle tramp?
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Dis Jorrie se meisie wat onder die bakkie le, Mark... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Axle tramp
A form of wheel hop which is usually found in live rear axle cars. It occurs when sudden torque loads on the suspension cause the driven wheels to shake violently by slightly rotating the wheels and then springing back.
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Axle tramp used to be caused when leaf springs got wound up by the torque developed by a fast take off. This cause the springs to distort into an 'S' shape which is unatural so the springs tried to straighten out again thus causing a tramping effect of the wheels bouncing.
With the setup on a Supra this I believe shouldn't happen (but I'm prepared to accept differently) and what I believe is happening is similar but not the same.
As you try taking off quickly the wheels will lose their grip as noted by the spinning, the grip starts to come back as the road speed increases but not in a uniform manner so what you're getting is 'spin, grip, spin, grip' again causing a possible bouncing effect in the suspension. You should feel this. If you're not getting any bouncing at the rear then I would check all your bushes because theres some other movement in the drivetrain causing this thudding.
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Dankie :thumbup:

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unknown wrote:Axle tramp
A form of wheel hop which is usually found in live rear axle cars. It occurs when sudden torque loads on the suspension cause the driven wheels to shake violently by slightly rotating the wheels and then springing back.
That's what Bretton's van does on tar when you drop the clutch at 4500, afraid you can't see much though for the smoke pouring off those 33 muds :twisted:
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Axle tramp used to be caused when leaf springs got wound up by the torque developed by a fast take off. This cause the springs to distort into an 'S' shape which is unatural so the springs tried to straighten out again thus causing a tramping effect of the wheels bouncing.
With the setup on a Supra this I believe shouldn't happen (but I'm prepared to accept differently) and what I believe is happening is similar but not the same.
As you try taking off quickly the wheels will lose their grip as noted by the spinning, the grip starts to come back as the road speed increases but not in a uniform manner so what you're getting is 'spin, grip, spin, grip' again causing a possible bouncing effect in the suspension. You should feel this. If you're not getting any bouncing at the rear then I would check all your bushes because theres some other movement in the drivetrain causing this thudding.
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Okay kaspaas se 7mge was nou weer vinneger as my 4y..sorry
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wat noem 'n mens dit dan in afrikaans........'n "As Trass"?
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I've learned something too .... never knew there was a name for it ... always just referred to it as wheel hop caused by leaf spring twist. Incidentally this occurs under heavy braking as well ... one of the other reasons why we have torque rods on our SFA's since the front wheels do most of the braking. :wink:
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Allen is die goed dalk tekoop? Kan jy fotos plaas van hoe dit lyk? Moet mens dan jou shocks verander? Het Rancho rs9000xl in op die oomblik
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As jy so ver is, sal dit goedkoper wees om dit self te maak, sal vir Kaspaas of die engelsman kry om foto's te plaas.
Jou shocks sal werk.
Ek beveel dit nog steeds nie aan nie.
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Dankie, waf in spanning
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As mens van die load hog helpers by die vere sit sal dit nie dalk die axle tramp verminder of weg vat nie??
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hi-hilux wrote:As mens van die load hog helpers by die vere sit sal dit nie dalk die axle tramp verminder of weg vat nie??
Nee, al wat die load-hog helpers doen is om jou veer-artikulasie heeltemal op te bogger. :shock: :shock:
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En as mens op die agterste as ook n tipe torque rod kan opsit of maak?
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hi-hilux wrote:En as mens op die agterste as ook n tipe torque rod kan opsit of maak?
Ja jy sal so iets kan maak. Ek het algesien dat ouens dit doen. :thumbup:
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Rather do a proper body lift, it's not that expensive... or if finance is really an issue consider a set of extended shackles...

I did the extended shackles, works great and I got decent lift, same as 50mm body lift!

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Het nie agter n probleem om langer shackles te maak nie, maar as jy voor ook langer shacles maak dan raak die propshaft se angle te veel...of so dink ek.
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any pics Bretton? Its not the finance....its the amount of work
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Will take a foti or 2 this evening, my lux is home in the garage... with the power steering box in pieces!

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Sorry to hear. Thanx so far
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hi-hilux wrote:Het nie agter n probleem om langer shackles te maak nie, maar as jy voor ook langer shacles maak dan raak die propshaft se angle te veel...of so dink ek.
If you have as much as 100mm suspension lift (springs) as well as extended shackles, the propshaft angle should still be OK for the uni's to handle but the length of the shaft may be a problem. If the overall lift is too much you might need the have the prop lengthened & balanced. To check if it's OK, jack up the front till the wheels hang free, then try move the prop from side to side / up & down in the centre. If the slip joint allows more than 10mm overall sideway movement (5mm each side), it's either worn or too close to the end of it's travel. :wink:
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:( :( No pics bretton :cry: :cry:
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Trevor sorry man, I had an important visitor last night, and then totally forgot about it... will post the pic this evening if this is ok?

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No problem Bretton...will it be posible to give me the front and rear shackle lenthgs as well? Please..
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hi-hilux wrote:No problem Bretton...will it be posible to give me the front and rear shackle lenthgs as well? Please..
Will measure this evening, but if memory serves me well it 100mm...

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Because the front is shorter than the rear on my lux...therefore i want/need the measurements pleaze
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Hi Trevor, I got extended Mikem shackles (greasable), although I bought it from Alucab tho, give darryl a call they cost around R600 per pair ex delivery, if I am not mistaken they 50mm longer than standard hence giving 25mm lift
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Will it be posible to get 45-50mm lift out of shacles or will it become a danger hazard? coz 25mm isnt much
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i think it will be a hazard, think of it, your bakkie loaded and "floating" on stilts.
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hi-hilux wrote:Will it be posible to get 45-50mm lift out of shacles or will it become a danger hazard? coz 25mm isnt much
Howzit,if you want to lift to 50mm then you must lift your shackle with 50mm and extend your fixed point with 50mm aswell,if you just lift your shackle at the back you gonna have to lift your shackle 100mm longer than what it already is to get a 50mm lift,dont think it to safe cause yore shackle can flip in the wrong direction without knowing and it wil chow into your chassis
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On my 1952 Willys CJ3B Jeep The previous owner did a Axel under leave spring conversion from the standard axel over leave spring, and neadless to say I broke the pinion gear on the rear axel (Dana 44) then i fitted a torque rod that helped a lot. but not enough.
On my SFA I've got a 3" Procomp Lift it comes with lift blocks at the back that u use with your standard SFA rear leave springs, altough the Procomp lift is werry impressive and capable i'll cange the rear leaves with the lift blocks for a Mikem as soon as the funds is availible.

With my 31" there is already some axlewrap.

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""if you want to lift to 50mm then you must lift your shackle with 50mm and extend your fixed point with 50mm aswell""

I never thought about this, make sence and alot saver i think than very long shackles alone :thumbup:
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hi-hilux wrote:""if you want to lift to 50mm then you must lift your shackle with 50mm and extend your fixed point with 50mm aswell""

I never thought about this, make sence and alot saver i think than very long shackles alone :thumbup:
How do you extend the fix point? Never seen this done before.....
Only way I can think of is by cutting of the current U shape mount on the chassis, replacing it with a longer and stronger one?
But don't think I wil trust my own or for this sake any ones welding on this part... Can get very risky.
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Mitch,

Please see if you can get some pics of the fixing point change. I totally support the theory, I just need to picture the fixing point mod.

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I think it would be best to take it to a engineering shop
Much safer,should get some form off guarantee
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Pics Bret??
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Image Sorry dude... I've been a bad bee! :oops:

Here we go...

Rear extended shackle:
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Front extended shackle:
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In my opinion there is no need nor real benefit from changing the fixing position of the shackles. If this were a beneficial mod, there would already be guys that have done it with a whole bunch of threads on the topic. This is something that's critical to safety ... I would'nt consider it. :wink:
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I agree with Andy, cutting and drilling on a chassis is not recommended. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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Rember guys them's "Import Spec SFA Hilux" ones hey, different to "Local Spec" SFA Hilux hey :Geek:
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Dankie vir jou tyd...
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Trevor... from grease nipple to grease nipple... front and rear... 142mm...

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Mr_B wrote:Rather do a proper body lift, it's not that expensive... or if finance is really an issue consider a set of extended shackles...

I did the extended shackles, works great and I got decent lift, same as 50mm body lift!

Mikem Suspensions sells good quality greasable ones at an affordable cost!

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hi-hilux wrote:
Mr_B wrote:Rather do a proper body lift, it's not that expensive... or if finance is really an issue consider a set of extended shackles...

I did the extended shackles, works great and I got decent lift, same as 50mm body lift!

Mikem Suspensions sells good quality greasable ones at an affordable cost!

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Myne meet 80mm agter en 90mm voor, dis 63mm verskil van joune. Glo nie ek sal 50mm lift uit dit kry nie, maar sal dit probeer die naweek en sien wat die lift in mm is. nogmaals dankie vir jou tyd
Don't forget that Bretton has bigger tyres fitted .... 33's that's already about 75mm more than the standard 30's and 50mm more than the more commonly used 31's.
When I originally fitted OME, I achieved a lift of about 110mm which has since settled a little, but not much.
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Ek verstaan dat hy 33's op het maar ek bedoel die lift uit die shackles sal nie 50mm gee nie, nie as daar n 63mm verskil tussen ons shackles is nie of is ek verkeerd?
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Mud dog, 110mm with the OME, thats quite abit.
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hi-hilux wrote:Ek verstaan dat hy 33's op het maar ek bedoel die lift uit die shackles sal nie 50mm gee nie, nie as daar n 63mm verskil tussen ons shackles is nie of is ek verkeerd?
That's correct, but in my case the bushes were shot and binding, so the shackle couldn't return to it's default position... the new shackles and bushes fixed that! When Allan did the install for me, he parked my hilux next to one with a 50mm body lift and 33's, Bolt was standing a little taller!

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Het nou bietjie rond gelees, mens kan werk op 10mm lift vir elke 25mm wat jy die shackle langer maak. So op mates met n 63mm verskil gaan ek so 20 tot 30mm lift kry. Dit sal ek dan vir voor gebruik en agter sal ek die shackles 190mm maak wat my so 40mm lift gaan gee. Klink vir my goed.

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Don't make the shackles too long, else your lux will handle like a boat!
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No i will not go longer than 190mm in the rear and 140mm for the front
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ismail wrote:Mud dog, 110mm with the OME, thats quite abit.
I think the old ones were very tired. :wink:
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Ek het gou staal pryse gaan kry. Sal 40x8mm flat bar mild steel reg wees vir die shackles? N$261 vir 6mete lengte.
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Is mild steel strong enough?? Won't it flex too much?
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Will support it in the middle with a "rib".....dont know thats why im asking you clever people. I think it will work that 8mm is lekker fris yster
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I would rather buy a quality manufacturer product... then at least u know its up to the job!
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