Clutch replacement
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Clutch replacement
I need your opinion.
I need to replace my van's clutch. How difficult is it to do if one has a descent transmission jack?
My reason for asking is my mechanic will charge me about R1700 labour to replace the clutch. I can buy a 1t Trasmission jack for R1900. So for R200 more I will then have a tool I will be able to do it for free in future.
I need to replace my van's clutch. How difficult is it to do if one has a descent transmission jack?
My reason for asking is my mechanic will charge me about R1700 labour to replace the clutch. I can buy a 1t Trasmission jack for R1900. So for R200 more I will then have a tool I will be able to do it for free in future.
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Re: Clutch replacement
Cassie, if you have a wheel trolley jack, make the attachment to fit onto the jack. Go to Adendorff's and copy the design with your eyes.
The job is difficult cause that tranny is so darn heavy. Replaced clutch on all my previous 4x4's.
The job is difficult cause that tranny is so darn heavy. Replaced clutch on all my previous 4x4's.
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Re: Clutch replacement
You dont need a transmission jack just a normal trolly jack will do the trick too......
All you need to do is make up a plate with movable pins and bingo job done....
All you need to do is make up a plate with movable pins and bingo job done....
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Re: Clutch replacement
And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
Here a dingy pic of the Adendorff one:
Oh and also be careful because most standard trolley jacks don't have the vertical(up/down) range required to remove/refit the box, especially on a raised suspension vehicle like our 4x4's!
Here a dingy pic of the Adendorff one:
Oh and also be careful because most standard trolley jacks don't have the vertical(up/down) range required to remove/refit the box, especially on a raised suspension vehicle like our 4x4's!
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Re: Clutch replacement
Mr_B wrote:And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
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It depends if you have another able person helping then it could be lots eaiser...
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Re: Clutch replacement
Sorry Johno, I edited my post after posting... please read the rest...
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Re: Clutch replacement
Hear what you are saying.MOFASA wrote:Mr_B wrote:And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
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It depends if you have another able person helping then it could be lots eaiser...
So ... of to Adendorf it is to buy a descent "dual" purpose trolley jack. Have written off 3 of these smaller jacks :shifty: :shifty:
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Re: Clutch replacement
Mr_B wrote:Sorry Johno, I edited my post after posting... please read the rest...
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Re: Clutch replacement
Note the vertical range difference between the std. trolley jack and the one I posted above:
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Re: Clutch replacement
I noticed while fitting my bashplate that my trusty trolley jack is also on it's way out... :evil:CasKru wrote:Hear what you are saying.MOFASA wrote:Mr_B wrote:And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
True
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It depends if you have another able person helping then it could be lots eaiser...
So ... of to Adendorf it is to buy a descent "dual" purpose trolley jack. Have written off 3 of these smaller jacks :shifty: :shifty:
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Re: Clutch replacement
CasKru wrote: Hear what you are saying.
So ... of to Adendorf it is to buy a descent "dual" purpose trolley jack. Have written off 3 of these smaller jacks :shifty: :shifty:
Get a 4ton and then all you do is use 8mm or 10mm plate and extend the wheels out about 100mm each side and that will help with the stability....
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Re: Clutch replacement
Oh and one last thing... the bellhousing, gearbox and transmission is flippin expensive, if it tips and falls you might be in for a nasty bill!
I believe you may well be able to hire one from HireAll or the like for R150 or so! Makes sense to me!
I believe you may well be able to hire one from HireAll or the like for R150 or so! Makes sense to me!
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Re: Clutch replacement
Mr_B wrote:Oh and one last thing... the bellhousing, gearbox and transmission is flippin expensive, if it tips and falls you might be in for a nasty bill!
I believe you may well be able to hire one from HireAll or the like for R150 or so! Makes sense to me!
That is a good plan im sure the one close to the east rand mall has them for hire....
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Re: Clutch replacement
If you get the one from Adendorff, the orange one. I use that one, one man operation, tilt nice to get the gearbog in. Out in 20 min max.
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Re: Clutch replacement
I quite like the look of this design, height will never be an issue, just wonder id it's strong enough for a larger tranny.
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Re: Clutch replacement
This one is the one I use. Is not so small. I used it on Bosbeer with the Marlin gear, gearbox and transfer, bloody heavy. Travel is quite high, with Bosbeer it could have been another 200mm higher and still would have reached.Mr_B wrote:And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
Here a dingy pic of the Adendorff one:
Oh and also be careful because most standard trolley jacks don't have the vertical(up/down) range required to remove/refit the box, especially on a raised suspension vehicle like our 4x4's!
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Re: Clutch replacement
Whats the cost of that one??4x4megaworldpta wrote: This one is the one I use. Is not so small. I used it on Bosbeer with the Marlin gear, gearbox and transfer, bloody heavy. Travel is quite high, with Bosbeer it could have been another 200mm higher and still would have reached.
Seems like a nice to have in the garage for the times you need it....
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Re: Clutch replacement
That is exactly the one I'm aiming to buy4x4megaworldpta wrote:This one is the one I use. Is not so small. I used it on Bosbeer with the Marlin gear, gearbox and transfer, bloody heavy. Travel is quite high, with Bosbeer it could have been another 200mm higher and still would have reached.Mr_B wrote:And the trolley jack must be a bigish one, the standard 1 or2 ton won't be good enough, cause it will topple over too easily if the tranny weight shifts a little too much. Often you need to wiggle the tranny around a little when re-fitting it, this can be very hazardous with a small trolley jack!
Here a dingy pic of the Adendorff one:
Oh and also be careful because most standard trolley jacks don't have the vertical(up/down) range required to remove/refit the box, especially on a raised suspension vehicle like our 4x4's!
If memory serves me correct they go for R1995
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Cassie, just remember when you replace the clutch, also replace the pilot bearing, normally not part of the kit. You don't want to open it up again just for a R30 bearing. And if you are finished with yours then we know who to go to when we need ours replaced, ne?
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Re: Clutch replacement
Thanks Werner. I will be doing the clutch plate, pressure plate, pilot bearing, main gearbox oil seal and crank shaft oil seal while I have the gearbox out4x4Maniac wrote:Cassie, just remember when you replace the clutch, also replace the pilot bearing, normally not part of the kit. You don't want to open it up again just for a R30 bearing. And if you are finished with yours then we know who to go to when we need ours replaced, ne?
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Re: Clutch replacement
And what about the inner gearbox bearings??
Hmmmm and your 1st gear looked a bit jumpy on saturday so best get that recut.....
And while you at it the diff seals and universal joints.....
Then the diff oil, suspention lift, body lift and the 35" wheels....
Shew its gonna set you back a wack of moola hey....
Hmmmm and your 1st gear looked a bit jumpy on saturday so best get that recut.....
And while you at it the diff seals and universal joints.....
Then the diff oil, suspention lift, body lift and the 35" wheels....
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Re: Clutch replacement
Seems the clutch plate is going to cost me lots of moola.
I will have the gearbox and transfercase overhauled at a later stage. First have to find a trust worthy gearbox place that won't cost an arm and a leg.
I will have the gearbox and transfercase overhauled at a later stage. First have to find a trust worthy gearbox place that won't cost an arm and a leg.
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Re: Clutch replacement
CassieCasKru wrote:I need your opinion.
I need to replace my van's clutch. How difficult is it to do if one has a descent transmission jack?
My reason for asking is my mechanic will charge me about R1700 labour to replace the clutch. I can buy a 1t Trasmission jack for R1900. So for R200 more I will then have a tool I will be able to do it for free in future.
Ek het bg. roete gegaan. My redenasie was dieselfde as joune. Ek het die Adendorf transmission jack gekoop. Nou het ek die ding en hoef nie weer te sukkel nie . Die enigste probleem is dat die karavaan nou buite moet staan sodat ek plek het vir die jack
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Re: Clutch replacement
Man.... ek dreig nou al die afgelope 2 na 3 jaar om dit te doen.Traveler wrote:Is die clutch so gaar?
Die finale strooi was na die modderbad by DeWildt... ek kon die pilot bearing hoor moan na dit... so hy moet nou verwang word... rather sooner than later
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Always the best to do it before serious problems......CasKru wrote: rather sooner than later
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Re: Clutch replacement
Much better and safer and cheaper to pull the engine
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Re: Clutch replacement
I fully agree with Dawie. If you have an engine hoist or chainblock, rather pull the engine.
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I need to check the gearbox mounting etc as well so I will go the transmission jack routeRacing snake wrote:I fully agree with Dawie. If you have an engine hoist or chainblock, rather pull the engine.
but thanks for the idea
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Re: Clutch replacement
Friend got a recent quote for the G/box overhaul on his 22R...R16 000 :wth:CasKru wrote:Seems the clutch plate is going to cost me lots of moola.
I will have the gearbox and transfercase overhauled at a later stage. First have to find a trust worthy gearbox place that won't cost an arm and a leg.
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Thats about the same price as a recon box if you have your old one...Stef wrote: Friend got a recent quote for the G/box overhaul on his 22R...R16 000 :wth:
So you may as well take your old one out get the recon and fit it the same day no time delays......
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Ooo.. okay.. teen daai prys laat ek dit sommer twee keer doen.Stef wrote:Friend got a recent quote for the G/box overhaul on his 22R...R16 000 :wth:CasKru wrote:Seems the clutch plate is going to cost me lots of moola.
I will have the gearbox and transfercase overhauled at a later stage. First have to find a trust worthy gearbox place that won't cost an arm and a leg.
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Dit kan nie so moeilik wees nie. Ek het al n Clutch gedoen in die middel van die duine teen n duin nogal in die laaste Afrika Dakar wedren. Jy moet net n vriend nooi met lekker stewig arms om vas tehou, gaan jou twee biere kos lol.
Dit kan nie so moeilik wees nie. Ek het al n Clutch gedoen in die middel van die duine teen n duin nogal in die laaste Afrika Dakar wedren. Jy moet net n vriend nooi met lekker stewig arms om vas tehou, gaan jou twee biere kos lol.
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Sal daai een onthouUTV Racing wrote:Cassie
Dit kan nie so moeilik wees nie. Ek het al n Clutch gedoen in die middel van die duine teen n duin nogal in die laaste Afrika Dakar wedren. Jy moet net n vriend nooi met lekker stewig arms om vas tehou, gaan jou twee biere kos lol.
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Skreeu maar as jy n spanner boy nodig het , dan kom help ek jou.
Skreeu maar as jy n spanner boy nodig het , dan kom help ek jou.
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Thanks Dawie... soos dit nou aan gaan kan ek staan en kyk hoe jullle die ratkas uithaalLollie wrote:Cassie
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Dalk sommer die spigot shaft bearing??? ook vervang (die enetjie in die vliegwiel)
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Re: Clutch replacement
cprinsloo wrote:Dalk sommer die spigot shaft bearing??? ook vervang (die enetjie in die vliegwiel)
Nie geweet daar sit ook 'n bearing nie
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Re: Clutch replacement
Dis die Pilot bearing in die Crank se agterkant.
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Re: Clutch replacement
And there's a spigot shaft seal, on the gearbox side. If you do replace it, just watch out that you put it back in the right way round. Easy mistake.
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Thanks for all the info guys... my motto is when you do something , doen dit oordentlik. So all this will also be done
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CasKru wrote:Thanks for all the info guys... my motto is when you do something , doen dit oordentlik. So all this will also be done
Seems like with all the offers to come help it will be you and I standing and watching........
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MOFASA wrote:CasKru wrote:Thanks for all the info guys... my motto is when you do something , doen dit oordentlik. So all this will also be done
Seems like with all the offers to come help it will be you and I standing and watching........
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Re: Clutch replacement
Question sblf:
How do you remove the old Main Seal?
and
Do you simply press the new seal into place?
Tar
Rich
How do you remove the old Main Seal?
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Do you simply press the new seal into place?
Tar
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I wish I was clever enough to do this when I replaced my clutch because that exact seal is now leaking
Generally what I do is I screw in a small self tapping screw into seals to extract them of course taking care not to scratch any of the surrounding surfaces
Generally what I do is I screw in a small self tapping screw into seals to extract them of course taking care not to scratch any of the surrounding surfaces
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Mobi Jack in Pta rents out the jacks, all I need is to find a clutch kit...no stock at Sachs
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Did you try Goldwagen. They also stock Sachs clutch kits.
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Cool thanks, and putting the new one in, push fit??CasKru wrote:I wish I was clever enough to do this when I replaced my clutch because that exact seal is now leaking
Generally what I do is I screw in a small self tapping screw into seals to extract them of course taking care not to scratch any of the surrounding surfaces
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I usually use a rubber mallet of some sort to gently tap it in and the old seal as a buffer as well as a socket of some sort to spread the load over the whole surface. This is if press fit won't work.
Just do yourself a hugh favour.. get some red rubber grease and smear it on the oil seal before fitting
Just do yourself a hugh favour.. get some red rubber grease and smear it on the oil seal before fitting
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+1. Got an Aisin clutch kit for the Avanza from themMars wrote:Did you try Goldwagen. They also stock Sachs clutch kits.
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What is the Aisin like compared to Sachs & LUK?
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Aisin is the real group that makes Toyota parts. But now, Sachs makes these kits under the Aisin brand.
Irony to it.
Then if you buy at Toyota a clutch kit you get LUK...seldom Aisin.
Irony to it.
Then if you buy at Toyota a clutch kit you get LUK...seldom Aisin.
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This is a Vigo V6 plate I done 2 months ago. Ordered Toyota and got this. Not the 1st time.
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LUK make the OEM clutches for Toyota in SA.