Floor Covering inside cab

[dax021]

After many years of sitting on a tatty old bench seat, I finally took the plunge and acquired a couple of bucket seats (Toyota Verso) to replace the bench. Lifted the plastic floor mat and removed front and back seats and was met with a 23 year old layer of crud, including coins, dry wors, dried out liquid spills, beer bottle caps and more. Surprisingly there was not too much rust, only under the pedals and around bolt holes and is just on the surface and not pitted. I set about cleaning up, and half way through, was seriously regretting that I had ever started. What started off as a simple task had became a mission. Ok, I blame myself for this as I am a bit of a perfectionist, and as you all know with old cars, as one fixes one thing other faults become apparent. So, I have now cleaned and sanded the complete interior, and am about to rust treat and prime the whole thing. I am now reluctant to put the old floor mat back in as it will spoil all my hard work.

My question now for the collective wisdom of the forum, is what is a good solution for covering the floor? I seem to remember reading about rubberising, or high density foam, but am unsure where to go next.

Oh yes, I am once again happy that I started this job, as the donkey work is now over and I know the end product will look great and last for another 23 years.

[Oupa Stig]

I worked at a guy's house a while back who's building a 58 Chev pickup rod. He had stuff in the cab on the floor which he got from one of the bigger spares outlets - Autozone or something. It's a self adhesive sticky rubbery stretchy gooey black rubber business with an aliminium foil backing (top) which when pressed can conform to the curves etc of the cab floor. It looked quite simple if a bit labour intensive to install, and acts as insulation, and you then place your carpeting over it... I might still have his nr, if you don't find any more info from someone else here.

[Jaco Versfeld]

I will be reluctant to rubberize. I think there might be rust issues, and it is then not easy to detect. Your engine/road noise will also be considerably higher with only rubberizing.

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My question now for the collective wisdom of the forum, is what is a good solution for covering the floor? I seem to remember reading about rubberising, or high density foam, but am unsure where to go next.

Oh yes, I am once again happy that I started this job, as the donkey work is now over and I know the end product will look great and last for another 23 years.

[dax021]

Thanks Mickey, Jaco. Yes, I've heard of that foil stuff, I believe the Jnb guys get it from a place called Sondor, I'll have to source it down here though. I'm a bit concerned that the foam might retain water and also promote unseen rust though. Jaco, I agree, rubberising might cause problems in the future. My old plastic mats are shot, so maybe I can look into having carpets made using them as a template and lay that over the foam stuff.

[Gerrie]

I am also planning to give my bakkie the same treatment in December... watching this thread with great interest to see what transpires...

You can talk to Hoppy about that silver things (I think he knows what it is and where to find it)

[Mud Dog]

I would also be hesitant to rubberise ..... It's practical from a "keeping it clean" point of view, but if there's any rust stating under there you won't know of it till it's progressed very far.

I would rather paint it with stone-chip and then lay automotive carpeting (that can breathe and doesn't retain moisture) over it. That should also be more effective IRO sound deadening.

[dax021]

Thanks Andy, I like the sound of this option. I'm going to look into prices for doing this.

[Genissie]

what about (cost maybe an issue) a new factory set carpet
my concern with the under felt sticky stuff is when the vehicle do get wet, it is verydifficult to dry. I like the stone chip idea, and perhaps have rubber or carpet with under-layer stitched & custom fitted to follow the curves, will look neat and clean / dry easier

[Thabogrobler]

Something like Rhino Lining or Tuff Guard?

[Genissie]

versigtig met enige verf binne die cab, veral die rubberising reuk gaan jou mal maak en nie sommer verdwyn nie. ek dink nog stone chip is nie n slegte idee nie, lekker growwerig vir die matte om nie te gly nie en het n antiwerende roes middel in.

[Gerrie]

Sal dit werk om net stonechip te verf en dan los matjies in te sit? dan haal jy die lining heeltemal uit die vergelyking uit?

[mcw]

Kyk net mooi na stone chip dit is geneig om te vlek ,dit moet met a 2f verk oorgeverf word om dit te verhoed ,so die binnekank kan vuil kyk na n rukkie se gebreuk

Martin

[Ali3n]

Ek wil graag my wa heeltemal ood doen binne met daai heat goed. Met die foelie op...

[Mud Dog]

Ek wil graag my wa heeltemal ood doen binne met daai heat goed. Met die foelie op...

Bly weg van dit af sover dit karre betref, unless jy dit binne in die ventilation / wiper channel wil gebruik as dit daar by die kajuit in lek. Dit word baie sag met hitte en dan gly dit. Daai bitumen is vrek taai as dit warm word en dis 'n engelse vroulikke hond om af te kry .... jy sal 'n paar dromme parafien moet gebruik.

[Ali3n]

Ek wil graag my wa heeltemal ood doen binne met daai heat goed. Met die foelie op...

Bly weg van dit af sover dit karre betref, unless jy dit binne in die ventilation / wiper channel wil gebruik as dit daar by die kajuit in lek. Dit word baie sag met hitte en dan gly dit. Daai bitumen is vrek taai as dit warm word en dis 'n engelse vroulikke hond om af te kry .... jy sal 'n paar dromme parafien moet gebruik.

Ek sien oom Andy. Die probleem wat ek het is dat dit verskriklik warm bly binne in die cab. Hoe maak ek om die te insuleer?

[Thabogrobler]

Daai dun foam matrassie wat die stappers gebruik? Jy plak hulle so liggies onder jou bestaande matte vas - dit demp klank en hitte baie goed!

Toerboer was so kreatief in sy ou Landie en dit het baie goed gewerk!

[ThysdJ]

Ek wil graag my wa heeltemal ood doen binne met daai heat goed. Met die foelie op...

Bly weg van dit af sover dit karre betref, unless jy dit binne in die ventilation / wiper channel wil gebruik as dit daar by die kajuit in lek. Dit word baie sag met hitte en dan gly dit. Daai bitumen is vrek taai as dit warm word en dis 'n engelse vroulikke hond om af te kry .... jy sal 'n paar dromme parafien moet gebruik.

Ek sien oom Andy. Die probleem wat ek het is dat dit verskriklik warm bly binne in die cab. Hoe maak ek om die te insuleer?

Ek het ook die hitte probleem in Kaspaas gehad. Koop van daai cheaphondekomberse (die gryses) by Makro en sit dit onder die matte. Jy kan underfelt ook gebruik maar dis te dik. Die komberse sny maklik en werk kwaai...

[Mud Dog]

Undervelt and coarse blankets should do the trick .... only thing I would worry about there is that if it ever gets wet (spillage / rain through open window / rust hole leaks / Cassie Special) that it absorbs and retains the moisture. That leads to unpleasant smells and later rusty floor pan.

There's an insulation product called "IsoTherm" - it's a synthetic fibre and doesn't hold moisture - very similar to hat you would find inside a geyser blanket . It may be a bit thick when new but compresses very easily, so it'll flatten out as soon as you lay a carpet over it. Bonus is that it's also very cheap, even though you would have to buy a 10m roll (40mm spec), you could still utilise the excess as a geyser blanket / water pipe insulation / under-soil garden bed draining mat / etc / etc .....

That 40mm flattens out to about 8mm easily with a bit of pressure (you could even flatten it in advance by placing it between two boards wit a few weights on top).

Read up on specs here.

[MOFASA]

Thanks Mickey, Jaco. Yes, I've heard of that foil stuff, I believe the Jnb guys get it from a place called Sondor, I'll have to source it down here though. I'm a bit concerned that the foam might retain water and also promote unseen rust though. Jaco, I agree, rubberising might cause problems in the future. My old plastic mats are shot, so maybe I can look into having carpets made using them as a template and lay that over the foam stuff.

I will be coming down to CT on the 9th Dec. If you find out where to get the stuff in Jhb and sort out for it to be delivered to me or me collect it then I could bring it down with me..... just a thought....

[Thabogrobler]

There's an insulation product called "IsoTherm" - it's a synthetic fibre and doesn't hold moisture - very similar to hat you would find inside a geyser blanket . It may be a bit thick when new but compresses very easily, so it'll flatten out as soon as you lay a carpet over it. Bonus is that it's also very cheap, even though you would have to buy a 10m roll (40mm spec), you could still utilise the excess as a geyser blanket / water pipe insulation / under-soil garden bed draining mat / etc / etc .....

That 40mm flattens out to about 8mm easily with a bit of pressure (you could even flatten it in advance by placing it between two boards wit a few weights on top).

Read up on specs here.

Yip, Isotherm sal lekker werk!

Jy kan selfs baie dikker as 40mm gaan - kyk na die 70 of 100mm, dit druk baie plat, maar sal nie plat bly as jy die mat/drukking afhaal nie.

Dit hou ook nie water nie. Dit demp ook nie klank nie.

'n Rol behoort so rondom R300 te kos.

[Ali3n]

Thanks oom Andy and Thabo. Will be looking into that

P.s Sorry to have hijacked a bit.

[dax021]

Andy, I think you're getting confused between that bitumen/foil used for flashings and the other stuff which is a high density foam/foil specially made for heat & sound insulation.

Johnno, thanks, but I am almost done. I have rust treated and primed and will paint with Stonechip today. Costs have become a bit inhibiting - they want R 2000 to make up a new carpet for me - plus I can't make my bucket seats fit without cutting that cross rail, which I don't want to do, and without cutting, my head hits the roof, so I have decided to refurbish the bench seat (R 1200) and put it back with the old mat. I like the camping mattress idea, will experiment with and old one I have lying around. When I source some lower profile bucket seats I'll get a new proper carpet made, but for now I'm gatvol of the bakkie standing and need to get mobile.

Thanks to all for the good advice, and Ali3n, no worries about the hijack, as much info as possible is what this forum is about, the way I see it.

[Mars]

Daardie goed wat die kajuit insuleer se naam is Dynamat. Dit is $#$%## duur! Daar is blykbaar 'n namaaksel daarvan wat jy kan insit wat beskikbaar is by A&S Wholesalers in Bazaar straat in Marabastad kan kry vir beter pryse.

[Thabogrobler]

Daardie goed wat die kajuit insuleer se naam is Dynamat. Dit is $#$%## duur! Daar is blykbaar 'n namaaksel daarvan wat jy kan insit wat beskikbaar is by A&S Wholesalers in Bazaar straat in Marabastad kan kry vir beter pryse.

Jy kry dit dalk goedkoper maar gaan jou kar ng daar wees as jy uitkom???

Sal maar my klong saamvat as ek gaan kyk.

Enige idee wat dit kos?

[Mars]

Ek laat my bakkie met baie groter gerustheid daar buite A&S se winkel as by Woodlands Winkel sentrum. Hulle het so 'n paar groot manne wat daar buite rond sit. Dit lyk of hulle daar leeglê tot een van hierdie jong venster brekertjies daar verby sluip. Ek het een dag gesien hoe hulle een wat sommer net verbysluip goed gem03r het. Toe ek een van die winkel assistente vra wat gaan aan toe sê hy hulle duld nie enige verdagte karakters daar rond nie. As jy lyk of jy vir twak rondloop tel jy dit sommer vinnig daar op.