Hydrogen from water

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:shock: :shock: Wow!! that second pic looks like it's really working well :!:
I wanted to say it appears to work like a bomb!! but lets rather avoid talks of things exploding :lol: :lol:
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Pieter. Ek het 'n arangement gesien waar 'n ou 'n paar SS plate gevat het en dit soos volg aan mekaar vas gemaak het (met spacers dat hulle nie aan mekaar raak nie maar baie naby aan mekaar) + N - N + N - N + (+ = Pos, - = Neg, N = Neutral). As ek reg onthou het die die device 20 Amp getrek en erg baie gas produce..
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The Topic of the Sermon at our church service on Sunday Morning was Perseverance, which made me think about this Thread and the whole "Hydrogen from Water" issue.
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Thomas Edisson FAILED over 1000 times before he got that light bulb fillament to burn :shock:

At one point his workshop went up in flames destroying his research notes and equipment :shock:

A bystander said to him "but what are going to do now Mr.Edisson??"

His reply was - "tomorrow we'll rebuild and try, try and try again :!: "

Good to see similar Pioneering spirit here boys :!:

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I have now put two gasifiers in series see pics. Next trick is to find a tune up center to tune the engine without gas. I overhauled my Niekki carb, so the engine needs tuned, for any tests to be meaningful. It only cost R17 to make the second gasifier.
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Ron,

By putting the two gasifiers in electrical series connection, means you are only getting 6v across each gasifier. Why not put them in parallel, i.e. 12v across each gasifier? Surely you'll produce more gas that way?


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Ya Eric, I was following the instructions, but I wondered why the units were in series. The gasifiers weren't producing much gas at all. Tomorrow I will wire them in parallel that should sort it out.
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jeesh, here I have been scouting around for idea's and right on this very forum the okes are doing it. Keep going guys.
I will be joining shortly....

Couple of concerns:

Has the Rust issue in the engine been considered. When HHO is compressed / ignited then it turn back into water? I heard you need to changes to SS valves + exhuast, ceramic coated pistons and cylinders etc? Also, how do you stop the unit from sucking in water when the terrain gets rough and water splashes all over the place. What I thought what might negate the rust issue, is starting and switching off with petrol only to burn away any water vapor??

Also, I would sugest a bubbler inbetween you producing unit and your carb. The bubbler act as an arrestor in case of backfires. Since the flash speed of hydrogen is alot faster then petrol, the normal arrestor just wont do.

Another thing to consider is the highly explosive nature of hydrogen aka the hindenbrug - or was that helium?. On this blog , http://www.mmmfiles.com/mmm/index.php/2008-04-19/80/, one oke was saying hydrogen spontaneously ignites at room temperature. I'm thinking this oke works for an oil company, as I have seen a vid of an oke allow hydrogen to escape into the air.
Even though there is a small amount of hydrogen being produced, the pressure it is under in the glass jar can make a bigger band. Thus somebody suggested a popoff lid. It still seal enough to be airtight, but if the unit explodes, it pops off first to elliminate an explosion.

Another issue is the heat generated by the unit. Have any of you come across this? Was mentioned on the blog as well.

Also, apparently KOH (potssium hydroxide) is better at keeping the rust off the plates in the unit than NaOh (sodium hydroxide).

Just my 2p worht. Keep going guys. We WILL be the death of the oil companies.

I'm fitting my LPG to my lux today (R7 / liter), then going to test the hydrogen. Should see a good saving on my fuel bill if all is up and running.

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Hi Eric, I put the gasifiers in parallel which gave me 12.4 volts on each with the engine running, now there is lots of gas from both units.
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Hi ron.How much currant are you drawing?
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Hi George. Three amps for two units. I have a five amp fuse in the circuit.
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ROn,

I have read alot about the 'thermodynamics' that says it takes more petrol to drive the alternator to create the current needed to power the electrodes than the amount of gas / energy produced. All kinds on numbers / equations that just makes my head hurt.

One person made a good point that the alternator is being driven by the engine regardless , so you just using the current that would have been lost in any event. Is this true? Nobody answered the man on this point however.

What is you thoughts / experince on this.
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Hi Guys First test run over 44.1 kilometers.(GPS) Wind Calm, Temp 14deg C.
38% improvement.
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WOW!!!!

That's amazing. Was it city driving, Ron?
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Eish.that is very good.
What speeds where you driving?
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It was a mixture of town and country driving. I kept to a steady 100 on the open road.stopping at lights etc brought the average speed down to 76KPH on the GPS.
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This is very good Ron.
I see that you join the 2 jars with a pipe.Is there a specific reason for that?
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Irishman wrote:Hi Guys First test run over 44.1 kilometers.(GPS) Wind Calm, Temp 14deg C.
38% improvement.
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Hi George, that is the pipe that joins the two gasifiers in series.
To answer Dalkill's question. When you start you engine the starter pulls about 400 amps from your battery. The alternator charges the battery up again, and then only works on demand i.e if you switch your lights on the alternator will supply just enough currant to run the lights, aircon fans or those massive sound systems, which I am convinced cause metal fatigue!
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I guess the proof is in the pudding.
To all the sceptics - Ron for president !!!
ROn if we don't hear from you often, we all jump in our wheelers and search the west coast - we'll just follow the oil trails :lol:
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Hi Dalkill only Landrovers leave oil trails :mrgreen:
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38% :shock: this is great news :!: 8)
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CasKru wrote:Pieter. Ek het 'n arangement gesien waar 'n ou 'n paar SS plate gevat het en dit soos volg aan mekaar vas gemaak het (met spacers dat hulle nie aan mekaar raak nie maar baie naby aan mekaar) + N - N + N - N + (+ = Pos, - = Neg, N = Neutral). As ek reg onthou het die die device 20 Amp getrek en erg baie gas produce..
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Irishman wrote:Hi Dalkill only Landrovers leave oil trails :mrgreen:
I meant the trail of oil left by the oil company hitmen :mrgreen:

I read somewhere that the closer the the plates are to each other , the more gas is produced at less amps. Someoke was saying that he stuck insulation tape between the plates and alot of gas was produced. He did say it was unsafe this way, and it was just a test,

Another oke replied to the waste energy usage theory saying that the more amps is drawn from the alternator, the more you consumption. Thus is you putting on the fan, radio, lights then you consumption is higher - is that true?
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dalkill wrote: Another oke replied to the waste energy usage theory saying that the more amps is drawn from the alternator, the more you consumption. Thus is you putting on the fan, radio, lights then you consumption is higher - is that true?
Yip as the more current you draw from the alternator the more horse power the engine uses to turn the alternator.

That is what the guys saying this conversion will not work quotes as the reason why. They reckon that the law of thermodynamics says that if you use 1 watt of energy to split the water into gas the energy that can be derived to recombine these two (burning them in your engine) is less. But they do not take things like the battery into account. When your engine is de-accelerating it also charges the alternator from its momentum or kinetic energy (as ek nounie strooi praat oor die kinetic ding nie) so you still replace energy into the battery even though the engine is not using any of the brown's gas.

What I do believe is that once the cells are working effectively we need to start looking at managing the system making it more effective to make it more feasible. Things that can be investigated is using a throttle position sensor to regulate the power to the fuel cell so that less current is drawn when less gas needs to be fed to the engine.

Another idea might be to install a second battery to run the fuel cells of which can be charged from the main battery (not directly off the alternator) at a limited current so that when you need more gas/current when accelerating it can be absorbed by the system and not put more stain on the engine.

Some more lateral thinking (outside the box) and we may yet surprise the oil companies. Originally the guys with the white coats could also not explain why it is possible for a Helicopter to go up. The fact that we can not prove it viable yet does not mean that it is not so, it only proves that we all still have lot to learn and maybe discover a new law, (maybe hilux4x4's law of waterdynamics :twisted: :twisted: )

I see it in my work regularly when someone just believes so much in a technology (Like Cisco with IP telephony which everyone laughed at 10-15 years ago) that they make it feasible by just trying a bit harder.
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Morning Bennie. It is obvious that your alternator is converting petrol into electricity, and in theory if you drive around with no radio, no fan,no aircon,no GPS, no lights you will save petrol,and feel bloody miserable. My petrol saving is 38% AFTER ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED so it is a net saving.
There are other things one can build that help. In my instruction book there are plans for a fuel heater which also helps, but one step at a time.
Dalkill I was making a Landrover joke.
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maybe one could invest in a solar panel , small wind driven turbine to create the electricity needed, since it seems it does not need alot of electricity... just thinking out loud here :idea: :mrgreen:
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Well proof is in the pudding thats for sure :mrgreen:
At 38% before any extras are done its already proving itself.

Its an interesting thought to use a second battery :idea: I wonder how long it could run the system for if the battery was charged at home with a charger thus eliminating the alternator.

With 38% clearly more energy is given than taken. Ron is it possible to fit another bottle and get even more saving :idea: Have you noticed any increase in performance? (I know its not what you are trying to achieve but still interesting)
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ROn, I'll prob only make it to your side of the world in Oct , when the stumpnose season kicks in again. I would love to see your setup. I'll show you my gas installation and we can compare notes. I'll show you mine, if you show me yours :mrgreen:

PS. can you smuggle me into portnet to fish there for some cob, that place is worst than Fort Knox. And they shipping is iron ore. Who would want to steal sand :mrgreen:
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Hi Tristan, you can put as many cells in series, as you can find space for. One guy has six cells on his Toyota Corolla and is getting 61.13 MPG, and uses 6 amps.
I am going to stick with two for the time being, and play around with the amount of baking soda in the electrolyte. The more baking soda the more gas up to the point where it just makes heat, which you don't want. I have only 1/4 teaspoon at the moment. So far my gasifiers are running cold. The people that supply the s/s elements for the chlorofiers didn't bother to reply. Out in the sticks here we don't have anyone supplying swimming pools.
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I got a price for SS (grade 316 if I'm not mistaken). If one has 10 plates cut to a size of 100mm x 200mm it will cost about R1800. You need 9 plates for the setup in the photo I posted (not necessarily 100 x 200).....m2cw
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Hi Caskru, Pieter has one of those s/s elements as you know. I'm waiting for Pieter to report back on his system.(he seems to be lying low the last couple of days!)
The 1800 bucks you talk about already requires a fair amount of petrol to be saved to pay for that.
My costs so far are as follows
2x Consol Jars from Checkers R20
Aquarium fittings R14
Electrical connectors R4
S/S locking wire to make coils.( bummed from Pieter)
Bubbler valve(taken from lawn sprinkler system)
Piece of perspex (got off cut for nothing)
2 mtr vacuum hose ( from Midas) R20
Baking powder( nicked from wife's pantry.)
Glue (lying about in my workshop)
Total R58 for two gasifiers
The test run paid for all that.
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Ron.. I'm also contemplating making a cutting tourch to use in the garage and according to the video I saw the SS plates creates much more gas than the electrodes Pieter used. The price I got is for high quality SS (surgical) and I believe I can at least half that price with lesser quality SS. But thanks for the brake down of your costs.
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Guys,

what if we could take this further?
Why not start up on petrol, let the gas build to a decent pressure, then cut the petrol and run purely on hydrogen :?:

Still my major concern is the water produced on combustion. One can do the S/S valves and ceramic coating bit, but can water produced in the cylinder seep pass the rings into you oil :shock:
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Hi Tristan, to answer your other question. There is definatly an increase in power. I struggled to keep my speed down to 100 during the test. I normally use 2nd gear to pull away from a stop street, but now I can do it in 3rd.
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Irishman wrote:Hi Caskru, Pieter has one of those s/s elements as you know. I'm waiting for Pieter to report back on his system.(he seems to be lying low the last couple of days!)
The 1800 bucks you talk about already requires a fair amount of petrol to be saved to pay for that.
My costs so far are as follows
2x Consol Jars from Checkers R20
Aquarium fittings R14
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S/S locking wire to make coils.( bummed from Pieter)
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Piece of perspex (got off cut for nothing)
2 mtr vacuum hose ( from Midas) R20
Baking powder( nicked from wife's pantry.)
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Total R58 for two gasifiers
The test run paid for all that.
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Ron... what is the job of the bubbler valve? Can one omit this?
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Hi Cassie, as you suck out the gas it has to be replaced with air, and the bubbler is to control the amount of air that goes into the system.The little valve I gave to Pieter (obtainable at the pet shop) will do as well. The second gasifier does not need it. In the pic of Pieter's system it is the little green goodie top left.
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what if we could take this further?
Why not start up on petrol, let the gas build to a decent pressure, then cut the petrol and run purely on hydrogen :?:

and then flush with petrol to vapourise any water? :?: :?: and just do a regular oil change
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:!: IRISHMAN :!:

Could you please explain how you wired up that element and how it works,i am super keen to try this out myself. :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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"and then flush with petrol to vapourise any water? "
Thanks pampoen, that what i meant to say.

"and just do a regular oil change"
But wont' the damage been done already. How regurlar is "regular" then?

I spoke to my uncle this weekend. He is a machi at Barons, and I asked him about the water issue. He said the engine would simply blow the steam out the exhaust. He also agreed with my theory of starting and ending with petrol just to be safe - still have to test his theories though.

So the bubbler is the little green t-shape thingy to control air flow back into the system as the HHO is taken out. So what is the other thing with the yellow cap inside? Read thru all the post, but just cannot make out what that is for :oops:

What he did also mention was to be careful of hydrogen. He recalled one day they heard a moerse explosion in the workshop, and in the loading bay, which was seperated form the rest of the workshop, another machie had taken a battery out and put it on the floor, taking off the caps. As he turned his back, a spanner fell onto the terminals, and KABOOM - he was deaf for a few days.
Whic begs the question, how safe is this contraption. Has anybody tried to light a gasifier yet, to see the extent of the blast? I'm not being negative as I want this work desperately, but I'm concerned about the safety aspect. I want to be sure, at most , it might blow off the bonnet, but occupants inside the vehicle is still safe.
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Is there any good reason why the containers are glass :?:

Plastics4Africa have some similar sized clear plastic jars with screw top lids, which would be condsiderably lighter and wouldn't break on impact :idea:

I'm considering trying a hydrogen setup but I'd rather have a crate of gasifiers in my loadbox ran from a second battery with a solar charger.

Well done for all the good work guys :!: :wink:

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My guess would be usually they use they canfruit bottles as they can handle reasonable pressure. I've also seen devises made from from drain pipe etc. So I think any material that can handle the heat of the engine bay and the pressure that might build up in the gasifier will do.
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To answer a few queries. A high grade plastic bottle will do. In fact it is better, in that you don't have problems with insulating the electrical connections. It should be a clear material so that you can see the gas being generated, and the amount of air bubbles. There is no pressure in the jars as your working with vacuum, not pressure. To answer another question. The goodie on the cover is a check valve. We call it a non return valve, and is there for safety, to prevent a build up of pressure. (obtainable from pet shop R10.50) To make the element you take three meters of 316 S/S locking wire, nothing else is good enough.Wind it round the bolt that will go through the lid, stretch out the wire, hold the two ends in your drilling machine, keeping tension on the wire start the drill, and you end up with a beautiful braided element.
The water question keeps coming up, but the amount of water vapour sucked into the engine is nothing. The electrolyte needs topped up about as often as your battery. This wet weather with a humidity of 90% is sucking much more water into your engine.
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Thanks Ron... You don't perhaps know where one can source that grade SS wire?
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Just another question about water entering the engine :arrow: Looking at the pics the water level is quite high in the bottles and with the combined affect of vacuum for the gas wont water get sucked in when on a steep ascent/descent :? :?:
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get sucked in when on a steep ascent/descent
I spoke to a guy and he inserted a water trap(The ones you use on a air compressor) to counter this
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To make the element you take three meters of 316 S/S locking wire, nothing else is good enough.Wind it round the bolt that will go through the lid, stretch out the wire, hold the two ends in your drilling machine, keeping tension on the wire start the drill, and you end up with a beautiful braided element...................................................................................................
............Sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick here but your element seems to be expoxied to the sides and bottom of the jar,why is that?
Also do i wind the wire in a coil and where do i connect the positive and negative from the batt?
thank you :oops: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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pampoen wrote:To make the element you take three meters of 316 S/S locking wire, nothing else is good enough.Wind it round the bolt that will go through the lid, stretch out the wire, hold the two ends in your drilling machine, keeping tension on the wire start the drill, and you end up with a beautiful braided element...................................................................................................
............Sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick here but your element seems to be expoxied to the sides and bottom of the jar,why is that?
Also do i wind the wire in a coil and where do i connect the positive and negative from the batt?
thank you :oops: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Basically it is two wires in a solution of water and baking soda. The wires do not touch each other and each of these wires are connected to a terminal on the battery.
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got it :wink:
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pampoen wrote:got it :wink:
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Hi Cassie, any engineers supply store should have the S/S wire, although there is probably more chance of getting it at the coast due to the rust problem.
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Irishman wrote:Hi Cassie, any engineers supply store should have the S/S wire, although there is probably more chance of getting it at the coast due to the rust problem.
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Thanks... I suppose I can try the yellowpages as well :mrgreen:
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Would it be possible to run ones vehicle off hydrogen completely if you had enough gasifiers and maybe just flush out the system with petrol before stopping?like using cooking oil for a diesel and flushing with diesel.......You would have to modifiy quiet a bit but i dont see a problem :?
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Something that bothers me is the fact that the gas can be used for cutting metals. Apparently even tungsten.
I suppose the effects will only become evident after some use.
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Tonto wrote:Something that bothers me is the fact that the gas can be used for cutting metals. Apparently even tungsten.
I suppose the effects will only become evident after some use.
This is with a focused beam and combined with oxygen!
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Guys, I have the instruction manual on how to build the gas system on my computer. It is in p.f.d format. Is there an I.T. fundi out there can tell me how to get it on to my website for all to read for free. I have been fiddling all morning with no success. I use Webpage Maker. I need to convert the pfd files to some form that my website will accept. Website is http://www.westcoastinternet.co.za.
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howzit guy`s names barrelage on this site, only recently joined .
been reading the posts ,good to c guy`s with the ball`s to take the hydrogen on demand system and use the info rather than try to make jokes,or try prove it does not work,like the o`s on the landy site they boring and doff and full of SH*T.i bought a discoveryv8 for my experiment,if i`d known i would have bought a lux but they are pricey .got my oilrover,as quoted, at a luck so it will do .got it consumption down to half ,going the hole nine yards,manual fuel pressure regulator ,fuel heater, vapouriser ,between the generators and manifold +extra charged vapouriser feeding on the opposite side,and a pcv jar or water trap on my breather ,in my opinion ,that is very important to clean the sluge and water out of the returning air. wrapped the oxygen sensors with tin foil ,synthetic motor oil is next after that who no`s .
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Howzit, Ian and welcome to the site! Yes, we are a levelheaded bunch of guys here (after all, we drive Hiluxes :wink: ). Stick around, this thread has a long life ahead of it and any new input would be greatly appreciated. Give us more details - how long have you had it fitted? Did you experience any power gains? Also post some pics of your conversion so we can all learn.

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are you online Ron?
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Hi Guys. I couldn't get the instruction book onto my website, so I did it the hard way. Could someone check out my web page and see if is there
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it loads up until the pic of the wire wrapped around the perspex 'core'...
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