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Wednesday 24 September is a public holiday so with 2 days leave you have 5 days for the trip :)
Wednesday 24 September is a public holiday so with 2 days leave you have 5 days for the trip :)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Sal net met die baas praat en hoor
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Dit klink somma lekka.Gaan bietjie kyk wat ek kan doen.
Op pad trug kan 'n mens daai strand roete doen van Kleinsee tot by Lambertsbaai
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Hier kom groot dinge, of n mens kan Ai Ais en n bietjie van die suide van Nam verken? Daar is baie om te doen river raft (die Oranje is meer dryf).........
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Yip, lekker wêreld daai!!! Gaan definitief oor die grens glip om bietjie vleis op die plaas te laai :D
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Wil self ook en dan ook graag die pond gebruik en sien of dit so scary is soos sommige mense dit maak :D
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Dis scary hoe die pond nou teenoor die rand verhandel.. Dis 'n PONT Niel...
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
So kom jy saam Thys
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Dit is hoe my laaste besoek daar gelyk het.kon nie veel sien was ingereen.
Jaco-Hoe ver is julle plaas van Rosh-Phina?
Jaco-Hoe ver is julle plaas van Rosh-Phina?
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Jaco... ek sal kyk hoe my dinge werk.. ek sal seker in daai omgewing wees, dan kom maak ek 'n draai... :roll: (PS Hoor nou Niel!)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Man nogal 'n entjie, so 150km Oos van Noordoewer.... Sal maar na die Richtersveld daar gaan kuier :)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Ek dink hierdie gaan 'n febokte trip wees
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Thys , thanks vir die wisselkoers les Ek sal my eie post weer moet begin lees Die Baas se die saak is reg vir die trip. :D
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Ek gaan solank aan mammie begin werkEk dink hierdie gaan 'n febokte trip wees
Ons gaan net moet bepaal hoeveel voertuie saamgaan.Ek sal se so 5 of daar rond.Anders kan dit nogal moeilik raak.My broer van Rosh-Phina sal ons ook wil join.
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Ek is mos die baas...Niel wrote:Die Baas se die saak is reg vir die trip. :D
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
So bek moet jam kry :!: :!:
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ek is mal oor daai deel van die wereld.. ek sal so 'n trippie baie geniet.. 8) 8) 8)
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My ou wat se Shameless van daai een. O ja dra sy nou daai BB keppie?Kaspaas wrote:Ek is mos die baas...
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Sy se net Ja Baas, Nee Baas...Niel wrote:My ou wat se Shameless van daai een.
Sy dra hom met trots... of so sê sy vir my..Niel wrote:O ja dra sy nou daai BB keppie?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
MAMMANiel wrote:Sal net met die baas praat en hoor
n vark bly maar n vark
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Johan wat se M mag jy gaan of nie?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Swambo is game so my naam is Saam
Hoeveel is ons al?
Hoeveel is ons al?
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Twee op die stadium met Thys wat miskien kom en George wat met sy baas moet praat
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Wanneer ry ons?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Sommer Vrydag
Ek sal verkies om die Saterdag (20ste) te ry en dan het ons die Sondag, Maandag en Dinsdag om die plek te verken...
Ek sal verkies om die Saterdag (20ste) te ry en dan het ons die Sondag, Maandag en Dinsdag om die plek te verken...
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Hoe laat? Want ek werk nog tot 12uur toe..
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soos julle aangaan raak ek sommer lus om nou te ry :D
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Op hierdie stadium van die geveg is my naam ook saam 8)
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Lekker man, sovêr:
Niel
George
Thys
Jaco
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Kaspaas idle klaar onder in die basement... reg om te rock & roll... :roll: :?
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gaan ons vate oor die datum.
Ek is nie te veel gespin nie ,maar die 24-28 sal my pas.Ek verjaar die 27 so ons kan lekker koejies en oros drink
Ek is nie te veel gespin nie ,maar die 24-28 sal my pas.Ek verjaar die 27 so ons kan lekker koejies en oros drink
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Jaco, die 19de na werk ry (ok so teen 15:00 klim en ry). Soos dinge nou staan sal ek sommer die hele week verlof insit. Ek wil net my voete oor die Oranje gaan sit vir n slag :D
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Thys, petrol is duur, sit maar vir Kaspaas af jongKaspaas wrote:Kaspaas idle klaar onder in die basement... reg om te rock & roll... :roll: :?
Julle maak n man mos nou vrek lus vir so trippie :!: :!:
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Riaan, dis mos nie so ver van jou af nie. Maak seker daar is geen hoenders nie en jy is in
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Ek sal paas,skole nog aan,sal gaan tensy Niel se vrou saam met my gaan.
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As als goed gaan is swambo dan 7 maande swanger. Sy wil nou nie eers dorp toe ry nie, en ek sal nie alleen kan gaan nieNiel wrote:Riaan, dis mos nie so ver van jou af nie. Maak seker daar is geen hoenders nie en jy is in
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Kaspaas maak soos hy wil.. is nie sommer vir my om hom te loop afsit nie... as hy wil idle dan idle hy... ek klim net in en hou vas...ToyX4 wrote:Thys, petrol is duur, sit maar vir Kaspaas af jong
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
:D :D uitpaas, of te bang om saam te gaan?BOSVARK wrote:Ek sal paas
My vrou het goeie smaak(dis hoekom ek daar is) en soos ek gese het my eie hare Daar is nie sondagskool waaroor jy hoef te worry nie, :roll: pik pik pik sorry Riaan is mos die chicken boer
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Ek kan nie help dat hulle so laat viagra uitgevind het nie,anders was jou kinders seker ook al groter en op skool gewees het,Niel jy se die viagra help darem.Niel wrote::D :D uitpaas, of te bang om saam te gaan?BOSVARK wrote:Ek sal paas
My vrou het goeie smaak(dis hoekom ek daar is) en soos ek gese het my eie hare Daar is nie sondagskool waaroor jy hoef te worry nie, :roll: pik pik pik sorry Riaan is mos die chicken boer
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Johan lyk my jy is bang, die kinders kan mos maar twee dae se skool mis..... :) Skole sluit buitendien die 26ste so ek kan nie dink dat hulle veel gaan mis nie
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
dwing jou maatskappy jou om julle eie produk te gebruik voordat julle dit verkoop? Nou is viagra sy probleem hy het nie sy target gemaak nie
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Kinders leer meer op die pad as in die klas... veral as Niel saamgaan.. dan kan mens vir hulle wys en leer.. "Sien jy oom Niel? Moenie SO maak soos hy nie.. " :!: :!:SuidWes wrote:die kinders kan mos maar twee dae se skool mis..... :)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
doen net soos hy se want hy is good looking en weet waaarvan hy praat ........Kaspaas wrote:Sien jy oom Niel? Moenie SO maak soos hy nie..
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Daar val die tor alweer af van die prop af... Good looking nogals! Hoeveel SZ's het jy al in?? :roll:Niel wrote:doen net soos hy se want hy is good looking en weet waaarvan hy praat ........Kaspaas wrote:Sien jy oom Niel? Moenie SO maak soos hy nie..
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Haai Ouens,
Kan die soutie dalk by julle h..hang as ek nog daai tyd kan diesel bekostig?
Cheers,
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Kan die soutie dalk by julle h..hang as ek nog daai tyd kan diesel bekostig?
Cheers,
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Natuurlik :!: 8)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Welcome back Peter.. It's been a while bra!! You always welcome.. 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Ek sal graag wil saam gaan as daar plek is maar sal ook eers moet kyk hoe die petrol kwesie en die verlof ding lyk Self ook mal oor daai werld maar sal julle dalk maar iewers langs die pad moet kry ,Wt is die beperking op die aantal voertuie?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Okkie jy is op die lys :)
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Dink 6 voertuie maks, wat sê die ander?
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Dink 6 voertuie maks, wat sê die ander?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Thys Daktent-a-TiefSuidWes wrote:Okkie jy is op die lys :)
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SuidWes wrote: Jaco
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Dink 6 voertuie maks, wat sê die ander?
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Jaco, aan my maak die hoeveelheid voertuie nie saak nie. As dit dan uitwerk dat ons meer is then so be it ons kan selfs in 2 groepe deel ..... maar dis m2cw. Sal begin rondkyk vir bookings.
So ons sal moet n datum moet he waarop die ouens bevestig ......sodat ons die bookings kan maak.... Ek wonder al klaar of ons gaan inkom L
Peter, as the tor (Thys) said welcome back. :D Thys ek verwys weer na my kommentaar toe ons gesels het vroeer vanoggend
Lekker om te hoor jy wil saam Okkie :D
So ons sal moet n datum moet he waarop die ouens bevestig ......sodat ons die bookings kan maak.... Ek wonder al klaar of ons gaan inkom L
Peter, as the tor (Thys) said welcome back. :D Thys ek verwys weer na my kommentaar toe ons gesels het vroeer vanoggend
Lekker om te hoor jy wil saam Okkie :D
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Ja Niel, ons telefoniese gesprek van vroeer vandag verwys... :!: :roll:
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Johan my vrou se dat sy al voorheen saam met n Oros mannetjie in n bakkie gery en daar was nie veel plek in die voertuig vir haar nie so sy soek meer ruimte en sal dus saam met my ry waar sy haar eie seat het.BOSVARK wrote:sal gaan tensy Niel se vrou saam met my gaan
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Diesel en petrol word gesponser deur BP of hoe JacoCoopraider wrote:Haai Ouens,
Kan die soutie dalk by julle h..hang as ek nog daai tyd kan diesel bekostig?
Cheers,
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n vark bly maar n vark
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Here is the list of camp sites in the Ai-|Ais/Richtersveld Transfrontier National Park:
De Hoop Rest Camp
Ganakouriep Wilderness Camp
Hakkiesdoring Wilderness Camp
Kokerboomkloof Rest Camp
Potjiespram Rest Camp
Richtersberg Rest Camp
Sendelingsdrif Rest Camp
Tatasberg Wilderness Camp
I will look for a map of the park
De Hoop Rest Camp
Ganakouriep Wilderness Camp
Hakkiesdoring Wilderness Camp
Kokerboomkloof Rest Camp
Potjiespram Rest Camp
Richtersberg Rest Camp
Sendelingsdrif Rest Camp
Tatasberg Wilderness Camp
I will look for a map of the park
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Map of the park:
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/richtersv ... ps/map.jpg
Link to see the availability of accomodation:
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/richtersv ... bility.php
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/richtersv ... ps/map.jpg
Link to see the availability of accomodation:
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/richtersv ... bility.php
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Ek hoop julle ander normale kleur manne neem genoeg vurke saam,julle weet seker wat ek bedoel met seker mense wat saam gaan.
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
is dit dan nie n hilux saamtrek nie,hoe kan dan net ses gaan
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
Die is nie die saamtrek nie :? Kom jy nou saam
Niel, dit lyk asof ons sal moet begin boek, van die plekke al klaar vol
So wanneer gaan ons, 20 - 24 of 24 - 28
Niel, dit lyk asof ons sal moet begin boek, van die plekke al klaar vol
So wanneer gaan ons, 20 - 24 of 24 - 28
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Re: Richtersveld: 20 - 24 or 24 - 28 September 2008
my suggestion is that we first kamp at Potjiespram Rest Camp
Then De Hoop
Then Kokerboomkloof
Then De Koei and exit from there.
Regarding the size of the group lets see what the response is.If we get to big we can split up in groups.Those with forks and those without
Then De Hoop
Then Kokerboomkloof
Then De Koei and exit from there.
Regarding the size of the group lets see what the response is.If we get to big we can split up in groups.Those with forks and those without
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